#73 - Recapping ADCC European Trials

Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling show, aka the worst show on the internet. Today, we're going to be recapping ADCC European trials. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Big Uncle Reed right there, Joey Gilbs right there. And it was a stacked weekend, all right? We got Reed, though. Joe, I'm talking to you right now. Let's just Let's get into it. It's just the boys. Let's get into it. Speaker 2: Reed's working us like a dog out there, man. It's freaking nuts, huh? Waking up at 3:00 a.m. Uh, freaking posting all day. He's like, make a post with a million views or else, you know? Speaker 1: Straight up conversation that we had today. Yeah. We got to make some of those viral videos. He's like, hey, what's up, fellow kids? Mind if you make a viral video for me? I'm like, okay, Uncle Reed. Yeah, one viral video coming up, you know? Speaker 2: Well, that's fine. You two can be on a team because I got a special guest on my team. Speaker 1: Oh, yeah? Speaker 2: Chuck Liddell. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Chuck Liddell is in the office here today. And I have got him on my team. So, Speaker 1: You want to show yourself? You want to show yourself? We got a special guest. On the ones and twos. Chuck Liddell. DJ Chuck Liddell. Can we see? Look at Look at this guy. This guy's got the Chuck Liddell cut, dude. Speaker 2: Shout out, Slack. Speaker 1: You've heard of Mr. T, here's Mr. Lo T. Brutal joke, to be honest. Just owned Slack as he walked off camera. Uh, okay, yeah, so we're having a good time, I guess. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a good one. Speaker 1: You know, trials was also a good time coming at us from uh Belgrade, Serbia. I think, you know, I don't know where you guys want to start, but I think the place to start is Owen O'Flanagan. This dude absolutely electric from start to finish. He acts like he doesn't have a care in the world or anything, but then, you know, just dominates everyone. Like, it would honestly suck to go up against Owen O'Flanagan and just be joking around while just dismantling you, you know? But what do you guys think of uh Owen's performance? Speaker 2: Yeah, super electric performance. Uh, you know, you could see it in some of the earlier rounds too, like he was taking people's back, throwing up the points. Uh, he was absolutely on fire. Uh, I felt like him going up to 99 was kind of a move for the team for Los Bandidos, which we can talk about how well they did altogether, right? Los Bandidos to me was kind of the story of this trials. Uh, but Owen was to me their best performer, and he was a guy who looked awesome, some awesome submissions all the way through, all submission run. Uh, yeah, bringing the crowd alive with, you know, a lot of uh charisma and pizzazz and emotion. And I thought it was uh I thought it was an awesome thing. Speaker 1: I saw somebody was calling him the uh the world's most dangerous referee. Because because he was also refereeing his matches by giving giving himself points as he competed. Speaker 2: Dude, I just love like, yeah, man, Los Bandidos on fire right now. Those dudes are super fun to watch, but it just feels like Taylor too, like they kind of just have this like protest style of jiu-jitsu almost. Speaker 1: Protest. What do you mean by that? Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like they like I don't want to say anti-jitsu because anti-jitsu has like the wrong connotation. But they just have this kind of like rebel, like punk rock, kind of like punk uh like protest quality to their jiu-jitsu, where it's just like, man, it just makes it so cool. And just like how laxidasical like you guys are all saying and everything like that. Um, yeah, Owen looked looked phenomenal out there. The the final he had was was incredible. I was hoping to get to see more Owen O'Flanagan the wrestler. But again, they just but like I couldn't even be mad at him that he would just sat down in the final and stuff like that because it just like that's just like this kind of like punk rock jiu-jitsu that the those dudes have. Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I think for one, him not wrestling, I think is uh maybe a little bit of a tip-off. And I I don't I feel like Owen O'Flanagan tries to hide this a little bit. I think he's got a brilliant mind, you know? Maybe in multiple ways, but one of those is his ability to game rule sets. I think from Polaris and then seeing him come back in this ADCC trials, I'm like, oh yeah, this dude's like a games master. Like he understands every rule set because like the way he talked about Polaris and how like he would reference like, well, at any point we can send out Lucas Canard, that's 20 minutes off the clock, three points. You know, he like kind of had it down. He also knew like how many points he needed to score basically, and then he would kind of be like, yeah, no, I did my part, boys. Like, I'm going to lose this one and then it's back on you guys. Like he just kind of had it all down. He also coached the team the entire time, which might be like a sneaky little like, ah, they're they are giving Owen the nod as like kind of the brilliant mind of this whole crew. But then he comes into ADCC and he goes up to 99, opts to not wrestle a lick after showing that he might be one of the best wrestlers in the game right now. Like, you know what I mean? Like his wrestling was kind of unbelievable on Polaris. And then he comes out and is like, nah, not for this rule set. I'm not doing that, you know. I'll I'll opt for a penalty and beat this guy that way. That's how much I'm kind of confident in being able to like play this rules. Speaker 2: I also think it might have to do with, you know, he was not the biggest 99 and is still not the biggest 99. And, you know, I think if he really wanted to, I think there's a shot he could have made 88. I think he's one of those guys who I wouldn't be amazed if he ends up down at 88 by the time we get around to Worlds. I think that's totally on the table depending on how everything shakes out for all the invites and everything. Uh, Speaker 1: You think there's going to be a different aspect of that without Mo being the one that athletes are like talking to and everything and like him his willingness to work and stuff and move around? Like you think? Speaker 2: I still think it'll happen again. Speaker 1: You think so? Speaker 2: I think so. Speaker 1: I was just wondering that when I was watching. Speaker 2: I feel like it it rarely happens, you know, kind of in the in the past years. It happens a couple key key cases, so I feel like it could happen again a couple key cases, but Speaker 1: Fair enough. Speaker 2: If there's a spot and if there's somebody they want to put in, yeah, it's definitely not off the table. But yeah, that's a good point that's probably not going to be as late because it was like Speaker 1: Maybe. I was just curious about it when I was watching. It was one thing I was thinking about, but who knows. Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like that probably played into why he was pulling uh uh in some of them. Speaker 1: But that's what I mean, he was gaming it. He knew he could go up 99 and then change his game for it, so. Speaker 2: There you go. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I get why he probably didn't want to wrestle those Russian guys and stuff like that, you know, that makes sense. Speaker 1: For real. You you especially would know. You know, whenever those dudes were walking onto the mats, were you shaking in your boots back in Austin? Speaker 2: No, no, I wasn't scared. Speaker 1: Cuz I was shaking when a Polish guy went out there. I was like, this is dangerous for anyone nearby, dude. No, I'm just kidding. You were talking about Los Bandidos, though, that whole crew. To to use some the the the, you know, younger audiences slang, these dudes got aura. Like they I feel like this crew, cuz I bet they're rolling deep, cuz like you can see Charles Allen Price in the background, you can see people in the stands like cheering, making some noise, you know. You might have heard it a little after you saw it, but, you know, But uh, I feel like these dudes like walk into the gym and just have this like aura about them where it's like, they're like happy-go-lucky, they're silly gooses, it seems. But it's also like, I don't know, there's this air of like these dudes are actually like super dangerous and elite as well. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, elite jiu-jitsu competitors now. Speaker 1: Who has, you know, we talked after uh East Coast trials about how impressed we were with the outside heel hooks of Reese LeFever, uh who still has some of the craziest ones for that division. For this division, it's probably Owen O'Flanagan, right? Look at the way he did Polaris with like Declan, uh with the finals here. He got into that heel hook with like five seconds left and got the tap. You know what I mean? In a match where like, you know, guys are going to hold on a little bit longer in trials. Like this dude, he has such devastating leg locks. Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so flexible too. Like the way he like pulled his leg over into it, it was just like And honestly, when that was happening, like we kind of talked about this earlier, and you know, I guess since I'm not I'm I guess I'm anti-Dagestan, I don't know, based on last last podcast. Like it was like Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But you're pro-Asetia. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It was like five seconds left and it was like, okay, well, no one everyone could last five seconds. It's like, but if he touches his heel, this guy might tap. And that's what happened. So he like got it with like a second left. I don't know, but Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're talking about Los Bandidos and and being dripped out and everything like that. But I I just felt like the entirety of the European championships was like one of the most dripped out tournaments I've ever seen, to be honest. Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of motion? Speaker 2: I feel like literally everybody. I feel like Hysam Rida wore a different rash guard and shorts combo for every single one of his matches, you know, it's like Owen looks sick. Um, you know, uh, pretty much everybody would just like had that. Speaker 1: Yeah, Marlon to Jig, I thought had one of the coolest kits. Speaker 2: Yeah, Marlon had had a cool one. Uh, Speaker 1: The tiger camo with the orange. Speaker 2: Yeah, had had, you know, had his own thing. I feel like everybody's just like dripped out in something different. There's so many different like these European jiu-jitsu brands that are just like popping up. They're like hype beast brands and stuff like that where I'm just like, whoa, like where did these rash guards come from? Like Speaker 1: The medical staff. Yeah, the medical staff was awesome. Speaker 2: Look incredible. Standing next to the mats, dripped out as well. Honestly, Speaker 1: Everything in the world. Speaker 2: Everybody. Speaker 1: The the medical staff was just dripped out head to tippy toe in that Ferrari red kit, you know? Speaker 2: They looked like they were like, yeah, they're for like some sort of like F1 like. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. They were basically like a pit a medical pit crew. Speaker 2: And they're fast. Yeah. Speaker 1: That is kind of what you need, though. Yeah, I feel like in between matches like bring Rafael Lovato Jr. over after the quarterfinals and just like, Yeah. Speaker 2: Your knee is fixed. Speaker 1: I think the two most dripped out medical staffs, and I don't know if they're doing it anymore, was this European trials medical kit, uh medical staff in the Ferrari red kit, and then at Brasileiro's a lot of time, the medics wear a full doctor like white lab coat. But I feel like this last time he wasn't Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, lab coat. Speaker 1: Like Central Casting. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: It's always the same dude, like with this like freaking silver fox hair do all slick back with a long beard, and he's always got his lab coat on. But I don't think he was wearing it last time, and that was disappointing to see. That was disappointing. I like to see a Brazilian doctor wearing a full, you know, medical prepared for surgery kit. Speaker 2: Just in case. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Quick question? Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, but I was just going to say, yeah, I know, Hysam looked great. Hysam got the W in the finals. Um, you know, obviously I think we all had a lot of kind of questions coming in because kind of what Hysam was going to be looking like, but what do you guys think of Hysam? Speaker 2: I I honestly thought my takeaway was that Hysam, I thought looked great. It's like, it wasn't the toughest bracket. Um, obviously there's guys like Hiki Jula in it, but he got taken out first round, then just kind of a lot of massive European dudes who just seemed just as big as Hysam. Hysam like rarely, I feel like isn't the tallest dude, and this time he looked really big, like he looked filled out. But uh, there were some massive dudes in there, and I thought Hysam kind of looked good the whole way through, like got a lot of submissions. He ended up fighting Christian Osbeck, who's also a Los Bandidos guy in the semifinals. He was able to arm bar him. But I think Osbeck got a lot of motion as well. But what did you think of Hysam? Speaker 1: Yeah, Hysam looked incredible. Like you guys said, it's just a matter of, you know, where is Hysam's motivation? Is his motivation still to be striving to be the number one guy in the world and competing against the very best? Because if it is, there's a good chance he's going to be able to do that. Uh, it's funny that a lot of Hysam's like best qualities, his judo skill and his size are kind of wiped away specifically at Euro trials. Where I feel like we do see like, yeah, a lot of like Northern European guys who are massive, that Aiden Woodley guy in the finals was every bit as big as Hysam. Uh, there's a strong judo base, like you mentioned for Christian, he has a really strong judo base. Uh, that all these guys are able to draw from. So, Hysam kind of I feel like had to use a couple different things in his game too, and and you saw the arm bars working really well, which he's obviously super known for. Um, yeah, Hysam looked really good. I'm really excited to get him back at Worlds and see what we could get. He's kind of a, you know, uh, still just a lingering force in this bracket. Speaker 2: Definitely. Speaker 1: Can explode on anyone at any moment, it feels like, and submit some of the best in the world. So, yeah, stoked that he's the he's going to be at the uh ADCC World Championships. Really really things are starting to shape up for the ADCC World Championships. We're starting to get a kind of a picture of what this stuff's going to look like. Speaker 2: We have a about 30% of the athletes that are going to be at ADCC Worlds have been officially announced or decided. Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about 77 shaping up to be a little weird so far, right? It's uh Speaker 2: Just unexpected division, you know? Yeah. Speaker 1: It's Mika Galval, returning champ. And then who's the other medalist from Worlds? Wagner, Elijah Dorsey, PJ. So like, let's say all of them are in. And then we have trials winners, Little Jacob, Nikolai, uh Speaker 2: Vetrov. Speaker 1: Vetrov, won this one. Speaker 2: Jarbaev, Isaac Michelle, uh and I think that those are the only four that we have so far. So yeah, we know about half of the bracket at this point. And yeah, half is like, man, PJ, Mika, all those guys. Dante's going to get an invite at this division as well. So uh uh there's another one because he medaled in the absolute. And he'll come back at 77. So we we really know like nine guys who are going to be in the 16-man bracket, and there's a lot of weird ones. Like you said, Little Jacob is going to be in there. Uh, you know, somewhere in in there next to Dante's name. Uh uh and those are two guys in very different places in their career. Mika compared to like, yeah, Vetrov, who won the bracket over the weekend, beat Taylor in the finals, showed a lot of really good submissions into the finals, in the finals, had to play it super strategic, or at least did play it super strategic, got the win there. Speaker 1: And then I feel like 66 is another one where we're just kind of seeing like some wild new names, you know, like Ye Hane won this one at 66, so cool to have him in, Turkish representative. Then we have Nico from the other European trials, and then like Baby Shark, Pato, Owen Jones, Josh Cisneros, right? Were the medalists. And so, yeah, I don't know, that division's kind of wild as well so far. Who was uh Speaker 2: Anraku of Japan is also uh and then Dorian uh is is obviously going to be super, super tough there. Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're getting into the meat of these divisions a little bit, you know. It's starting to shape up. Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. Speaker 1: Starting to see kind of where some of the invites might lie, you know? Little we got a little pug running by in the office. Speaker 2: Just captured my attention there. Sorry. Speaker 1: But uh, what what was another notable uh thing? I feel like maybe we should talk about the women's minus 55 because that was at least for me a kind of unexpected uh Speaker 2: Biggest upset of the tournament by far. Speaker 1: Yeah. What did you think of that one? Speaker 2: Yeah, that was crazy. Uh, yeah, Anna had been the story of this ADCC season overall. Uh, real quick, cuz we're just talking about like weird invites and all that. Before we we I I I will get back into Anna. Brazil number one right now with official invites. And these are official invites that we've just announced like the champions will return and then who do you guys think is the country with the second most invitations or trials winners right now? Uh, so there's four trials winners and the champion. Uh, and then for the women, obviously one trials winner and the champion. Number one is Brazil. Speaker 1: USA. Speaker 2: USA. Speaker 1: Uh, I feel like it's got to be a weird one, right? For you to pose this question. Um, I would say USA, though, still. Speaker 2: Australia. Number two, by one, yeah. Uh, I think they have like four or five and the US is like what one right behind that. Speaker 1: So, Speaker 2: But Declan is Declan's English. So. Speaker 1: Yeah, Declan's English. So yeah, we got to move that around. Speaker 2: That's a yeah, we got to uh uh he's doing it for Queen and Country over there. Speaker 1: That guy. Long live the Queen. Speaker 2: So we're talking about Anna, we're talking about Anna Mayer Domo, who is getting it done over there. Speaker 1: Hey, little buddy. Yeah. Speaker 2: It's a little doggy on the podcast. She had won the first European trials. She had won the Hello, buddy. Is he on camera? Are we getting him on camera? All right. Speaker 1: Nice. Uh, what do you what did you think about uh ADCC trials? Oh, didn't like it. He did not watch. Speaker 2: Wasn't a fan. He did not watch. Was was not a fan. Speaker 1: More of an IBJJF guy, that you know. Yeah. Speaker 2: Uh, so, it was an enormous upset. Janet was able to submit Anna. Anna, like we saw online later, looks like she busted up her knee pretty bad. That's pro sports, that happens. Uh, but Janet is somebody who, you know, I've seen kind of on the scene a little bit. She was at Nogi Worlds as a brown belt. She's still a brown belt. Uh, and just beat somebody who's in a black belt World finals, so that clearly says something about her. First German to win an ADCC trials. We're seeing Germany have a little bit of a moment. Also had a European black belt uh champion in Denise Kron. So really cool to see another place where we're seeing more and more people start to populate as jiu-jitsu champions. Uh, yeah, Janet's a beast. She's another person who it's it's going to be really interesting to see her against the best of the best at ADCC. And this is going to be a really pivotal next like six, seven months or however long it is, six months for her, where she can be super locked in on this one massive goal where she's going to fight the best in the world. We've seen people get that opportunity before and take their game and level up to a completely new place where now they're one of the best in the world. So let's see. Speaker 1: Yeah. What a moment, what a moment for her, you know, just a huge in the final, you know, it's just what what makes ADCC trials so great, I feel like, you know, it's just like such a proving ground. And you can really have your moment, you know, against, you know, obviously everybody knows we've been promoting Anna and um, you know, she's been on uh UFC and she's she's been kind of surging lately, right? Speaker 2: One of our breakout stars of the year. Speaker 1: Yeah, one of our breakout stars of the year. And I feel like people sometimes give us give us guff uh when we when we build somebody up and then they don't win like the finals or something like that, you know, and then somebody else and they're like, you should have been paying attention to this girl the whole time, you know, but but I feel like, man, that that's that is the beauty of what we are doing, you know, not us, but I mean just the beauty of jiu-jitsu, you know, that like that somebody can be kind of riding this this this wave of of momentum and stuff like that. And at any time, somebody can kind of take that all away from you. It's it's a, you know, it's such a a black and white kind of beautiful thing, you know, it's it's hard to navigate through, but um Speaker 2: That's kind of something you were mentioning yesterday while we were watching and stuff too is like that is the beauty of trials especially, you know, it's like you're watching two athletes just just gain so much momentum as the trials goes on and on. We get deeper into this bracket and it's like, oh my God, dude, Linus Von Trink is rolling right now. Ferris is rolling. Now they're about to collide. Somebody's going to have to like someone's going to take a loss, someone's going to take a win and advance, but it's just like that's the beauty of this tournament, you know? Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just bend and don't break kind of mentality too, I feel like, you know, where it's just like, obviously, everybody's tight. Six matches all these people had, you know, you know, like Speaker 2: You work some of them, yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's like in one day or two days, some of them had, you know, but yeah, just like what an epic tournament and and, you know, Marlon versus Ferris, a very Speaker 2: The 88 finals. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very, very close match. I feel like I maybe kind of came down on a little bit on the opposite side of you guys. Speaker 2: I thought, really? Speaker 1: To be honest, um, you know, not Speaker 2: My side was that I thought Ferris won. Speaker 1: Yeah, not to misrepresent um what what you guys thought, you know, cuz we were kind of privately talking about this stuff, but Speaker 2: Sorry, we talked about it. No, I'm happy to share it. Yeah, I thought I would have given the decision to Ferris. I love both guys. I think both guys are amazing. Did a breakdown video of Marlon to Jick recently, by the way, you can check that out on the Flow YouTube. It's on the site right now. So, uh, yeah, like like you're saying, oh, why why weren't you paying attention to that? Cuz I was busy paying attention to Marlon to Jick before he won trials. Speaker 1: Yeah, true. Speaker 2: Uh, so, uh, yeah, that was good timing, but love both those guys. I thought that Ferris did more in that match. And I thought that him ending on top, I know that like an action at the beginning of the match is supposed to count as much as the the end of the match. Tough look. Tough look to be stuck there. Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely tough look. Speaker 2: Having said that, I do think Marlon is a super dark horse when we get to uh Krakow and when we get to ADCC. Uh, I think that uh he is somebody who is young, athletic, just got his black belt, believes in himself a ton. In the Nogi Grand Prix that is coming up in February, February 26th. So make sure you check that out live exclusively on Flow Grappling. Uh, I think he is a guy who can knock off a ton of these dudes when we get to Krakow. Speaker 1: I agree. Sorry, yeah, no, I like watching the match, whenever I was watching it, I was like, okay, I think Ferris won that. Like, just mainly because I did think, like if you take into the judging criteria of initiation, like it did feel to me, and obviously I was wrong according to the judges, that it was Ferris kind of initiating and walking forward and Marlon walking back. And I feel like, I don't know, there's a lot of nuance in ADCC judging. I've never done the judges course and like all that, but just like maybe there's a bias, I feel like when I'm watching specifically of like, if you're walking forward, then like you kind of have to be initiating. Maybe that's not completely true, or maybe I just let recency bias of how the overtime ended kind of influence it. Um, so I was a little more on the like, I just thought Ferris was going to win, but obviously, if you watch enough jiu-jitsu, you know that you can never really predict the decision victor uh when it comes down to it. And also, that was a match where it was going to be a bummer no matter what, and exciting no matter what. It was like, one of these dudes has to win, punch their ticket to ADCC. One of these dudes has to lose, kind of lose their last opportunity to to officially earn their spot, you know. Potentially an invite could come, of course. And I think, luckily for Ferris, if there is enough controversy online, a lot of times historically, we see, you know, that person get a bid when it comes time for uh for invites to be like, okay, well, this was a controversial decision, at least in the public eye. So maybe Ferris will get a bid there. But definitely that was one where it was like a couple of the homies kind of going up against each other and someone had to lose, so it was going to be a bummer either way, but Marlon ended up getting the win there, so all credit to him. Speaker 2: Yeah, just to say like I I really thought it was just kind of like a razor close match. Speaker 1: Not a robbery at all. Speaker 2: You know, yeah, like I just thought it kind of could have gone either way. Um, and and um awesome win for Marlon, excited for him to be there, but man, hard not to be just nothing but like super impressed with this run that Ferris is going on lately, you know, from Nogi Worlds to WNO to this, like Ferris is like been climbing this this mountain for for it seems like a little while, and he's now kind of like finally starting to get to the top and and he looked great all all weekend for sure. It was an awesome performance from from Ferris too. Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's like another another little tidbit on Los Bandidos. Like, I was talking to Christian afterwards, he was messaging me, and uh, like he kind of I told him, I was like, dude, we got to come out to Los Bandidos and like make some crazy video with you guys. Like you just you guys Speaker 2: Oh, Christian Osbeck. I thought you meant. Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no. Uh yeah, Christian Osbeck. Um, for one, because like I was doing this live stream during it, and like everyone in the chat was like riding with Los Bandidos, which I was like, I didn't know the boys had motion like that, where it was just like, they just have this online fan base as well, who's like everyone was like, nah, Los Bandidos sweeping this whole thing. I was like, okay, shit. Um, but he kind of when I was talking to him about like, we got to come there and all this, he kind of said like, you know, put the mockery aside. Like, obviously the boys like to kind of make a mockery of everything, you know. All this, like, oh, Owen O'Flanagan giving his own points and whatever. But then it's like this dude submits in the finals, and you can see the serious nature where it like comes through and it's like, nah, that was he wanted to submit that guy. Like he was not happy about how that guy wasn't engaging, and it was like a big thing for him to submit him, punch his ticket. And so I feel like in that training room, especially like using Ferris as an example, like how much he's been like making big waves and kind of progressing and everything. It's like, yeah, these dudes probably are like just training so hard, so technical, so I feel like there's a lot there's a lot of layers to this Los Bandidos crew, you know. They're the they're the onions of the jiu-jitsu world right now. Speaker 2: All right. They're on top. Somebody else from Los Bandidos that I think uh definitely deserves a shout out, Ann Svenson. Yeah. Uh of uh I believe she's from Norway originally. She has uh won a set of trials before. She took silver here, but she had a crazy, crazy tough path. I thought that her half of the bracket was uh so much uh uh just so so deep. Uh she beats Nadia Franklin. I think she might beat Suleme Lowenthal as well, who's super tough. She beat that Martina girl from Poland, who I was super high on coming into this, who I think took fourth. Uh and uh I thought that she looked awesome. 65 champion did end up being Enjona Goodman, uh who is somebody else who we've been watching like come up and climb up and uh uh really achieve some great things. Now Enjona does officially punch her ticket to the ADCC World Championships, but I definitely want to shout out uh Ann and and I think that she is somebody else who you can watch level up from all this Los Bandidos work. Speaker 1: Definitely. And so in that finals, the uh minus 65, she ended up losing to Enjona Goodman, who Enjona Goodman is another grappler who's been on like a great run here recently. And I guess like, if I'm being honest, something I realized as I'm watching, it is hard for me not to at least in some ways root for the girl who won the first trials. Cuz it's like, that's a little bit of a bummer, right? It's like they they have won one of the trials, but the way the brackets are right now, they don't qualify in that first trials. So it's like I did find myself kind of being like, okay, I do kind of hope Enjona gets it done. Like she already did it once. It feels right, you know, like for her to win this second one and actually get the ticket. And that's like a little bit of where it's like awesome for Janet Gloger, but also it's like, ooh, that's a little bit of a bummer for Anna Mayer Domo, cuz she's already won two non-qualifying trials, and then like now she's going to have to do a fourth to like officially punch her ticket. So I I was kind of happy to see Enjona get the win there and like officially punch her ticket. And I also think Enjona's like a rising star in female jiu-jitsu, you know? Speaker 2: I agree. Speaker 1: Yeah. You guys have any other thoughts on that? Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Enjona is somebody who like you said, uh a little bit of a rising star. I think she is somebody to watch at ADCC. Kind of depends on the seed, especially cuz those brackets are so small. Uh, but she's somebody who has proven that she can compete with a lot of people. She had a great match with Sarah Galvao, for example, at Nogi Pans. Uh, you know, I remember for a little while her only losses at black belt were like Gabby Passania and and Sarah Galvao. Uh, she didn't have the Nogi Worlds that she was looking for, lost to Rebecca Lima. Uh, but was able to bounce back here in a really big way and get it done. I think that Enjona, yes, just somebody who that guard passing of hers is incredible. She is one of the best middleweight women's guard passers in the world right now, uh and was really able to show that over the weekend. And uh, yeah, that that whole division was really fun to watch. Like you mentioned, Nadia, Rana, placing third. Uh, dual citizenship reveal like she put online after, which I thought was pretty funny. Uh, Rana actually not just like a famous person's daughter who's doing jiu-jitsu. She's genuinely good at jiu-jitsu. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do. Speaker 1: We would we would know who she was if her last name was not Willing at this point. Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. Yeah, no, she's kind of like legitimizing. Speaker 1: So like hats off to her, you know, for for being in the grind and, you know, like putting it on the line where she probably has a little bit even more to lose than most of these people, you know, but she still goes out there, puts on the line, gets dubs all over the place, so. Speaker 2: If she wanted to go sign with, I'm going to make, I don't want to name any companies, so I'm just going to make up a company. If she wanted to go sign with a big martial arts company called like Five Grappling overseas somewhere, uh and just get like paid like $100,000 to have a match against like a blue belt like every six months. Speaker 1: That's not a made up company. Speaker 2: Five Grappling. Oh, Five Grappling is a real one. Yeah. Speaker 1: I was like, where's this going? I was kind of Speaker 2: He's made a real company. Oh, yeah. I was trying to make fun of a different company that also has a number. Uh, Two Grappling. Speaker 1: Gotcha. Speaker 2: Two Championship. Uh, could just like pay her like, yeah, 60k a pop or whatever, like, I'm just making up a number. But like, so, you know, drop a bag on her just to to have a a simple little match every No, she's out here. She wants to be the best and she's going after it. Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she's out in the trenches of the jiu-jitsu competitive world. Speaker 2: Apologies to Five Grappling, by the way. That was totally unintentional. Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what? Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: But waiting to see where it goes. Yeah, and so, uh, the third women's division, plus 65 kg. That final we ended up seeing Annabelle Lopez go up against Nia Blackman, which I thought was just like a great like next generation type of final, you know. Two girls kind of in this up and coming uh generation, both trying to like really uh break through that next level, make a name for themselves in Nia and uh Annabelle. And it was a super close final, for sure. Speaker 2: Yeah. I yeah, I agree. Uh, both are amazing representatives of jiu-jitsu. Both uh fought really hard the entire tournament. They, you know, they were going after it, being very aggressive, not just trying to win by a little margin, by a lot. Uh, Annabelle gets the dub. I think that she is somebody who I kind of think she could win ADCC. I, you know, I I think kind of depends on who some of the people in the bracket are, like if Gabby Passania's in there. Obviously that, you know, you got you got to think about that match up, but yeah, honestly, even if Gabby's in there, like I just feel like Annabelle is somebody who I would not write off as being able to go very, very deep at ADCC and and do very well. Speaker 1: For sure. Gotcha. What do you guys think about the the the weight cutting? Do you think that ended up, you know, the the weigh-ins being there on that Friday, that had anything to do with anything, you think? Speaker 2: I think it definitely helped out a guy like Ye. I think the Ye Hane and, you know, the way that his bracket kind of played out where like one or, you know, I know there was a pivotal round that his opponent wasn't able to go, and so he got into the next round, which, you know, if you're a guy who has weight issues, like that really helps out. Uh, just have a little bit more recovery time. Uh, so I I do feel like there's guys who it helped them out a ton. But that's also going to be the same case at Worlds, right? Like they're going to get to weigh in pretty early and get a lot of recovery time and be back to 100%. Uh, so I I do feel like for a couple of people it it definitely uh helped them out to be able to get a little bit of extra extra time off the scale. Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And just just to kind of round out the last division specifically, we haven't talked about. We mentioned Nikolai earlier, but it was Nikolai who ended up taking the 77 kg division. He saw Taylor Pearman in the final. And, you know, certainly Taylor looked great the whole way through. Was he all submissions up to the final? All submissions up to the final. Looked like maybe he was going to do it again, win trials all subs. But uh, he ended up pulling in the final, got the negative, and then Nikolai was just kind of able to like maintain top and control from there and and get the win off the uh off the negative. Which isn't super spectator friendly, not ideal for what you want to see in a final, but it's the it is the reality of kind of how this final goes. Speaker 2: But it sucks to watch. Yeah, you want to see a big spectacular submission finish, of course, but Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Cuz man, Vetrov up until then was like on a nice run himself and was hitting a lot of cool leg entries and submissions. I was like, okay, you know, Taylor's got this Russian dude who's on a tear in the finals. These two are going to clash, going to be some awesome jiu-jitsu. Then yeah, Taylor gets called for the negative and you just see the the the, you know, Vetrov has never been in a match like that before where there's that much on the line. And he was like, listen, my path to victory just became super clear, or at least a path to victory. Uh, and I'm going to take it. And if something happens, fair enough, but I'm going to keep taking this path to victory until somebody knocks me off of it. Nobody was able to knock him off of it and he gets the win. Uh, the the pull was a little controversial, I feel like. There was at least like 1% controversy with that, right? Cuz I feel like Taylor was trying to do the like, oh, you took me down thing, but like didn't quite Speaker 1: It was it was just like very half-hearted, I felt like, you know, like he just kind of didn't he didn't quite sell it as much as he he needed to where Speaker 2: I think he sold it too much. I actually cuz he like he did the thing like right at the beginning where he was like hopping on one leg and like giving them the leg. And then like he didn't take that. And then they like kind of laughed about it and had a thing. And then they like clinch up her body and Vetrov starts walking into him and Taylor just falls down. Where it's like Speaker 1: You thought he was the catcher who like is framing pitches too aggressive and the ump is just like, nah, I'm not giving you that ball. Like Speaker 2: A little too aggressive. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it was it was like, yeah, it was just too obvious what he was trying to do. Speaker 2: Too on the nose. Speaker 1: Yeah, a little too on the nose. That's what I that's what I think. It was like, you you you had to play that up a little bit more and just like Speaker 2: Yeah, a little too on the nose. Speaker 1: But I I feel like it's like the the the thing that I was expecting him to to do is to shoot on on him, you know? Hold the leg and and then pull, you know? It's like, yeah, you know, if you just do the Mikey thing, stick your leg out, you know, yeah, nobody's going to take that. So like that's that is kind of why like you have to kind of put yourself in danger a little bit by shooting and then and then pulling, but Speaker 2: Respect. Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, it's not ideal to get thrown really hard, but just like maybe give the guy an underhook and go for a ride and then uh then ride it out from there. But so that kind of rounds out, I guess the division champ specific talks. Was there any just stand out moments throughout the tournament that uh that kind of you guys want to dive into? I got I got one if you want me to kick it off, but Speaker 2: Really cool mirror lock from Camille Will. Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. There you go. Okay. There you go. There you go. I got that submission was awesome. I I feel like Camille's a cool guy. Like I watch I like watching Camille, to be honest. And uh yeah, that was a that was a gnarly submission as well, that mirror lock. Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the sickest one to say. Go back and look at how he the grip he has when he finishes is actually a little different to like how Adele did it at ADCC Worlds. Potential breakdown video coming soon. Uh, but like, yeah, it was like a cool little grip. If anybody wants to see what cuz I know you know, very quickly became immediate. So many people from Camille's gym hopped in the comments being like, he has subbed me like three times a week. So like that's something that he's super, super good with. Uh, yeah, Camille's somebody who, you know, I feel he's one of these guys that like we see every ADCC trials. We're always like, this dude does have like some pretty sick stuff, but like he doesn't win. Uh, but like still is always impressive. Uh, that that was definitely one that uh hopped off for me. Speaker 1: For sure. Speaker 2: I feel like, um, you know, Marcin kind of got lost a little bit in in this tournament, but I definitely watched him get a couple, you know, quick leg locks earlier in in the in the rounds and everything like that. So that was bum to see him lose to uh uh the guy there who was in uh Speaker 1: Urushov. Speaker 2: Urushov there. Um, bum to see that happen. Uh, so, but but still an impressive tournament, I I think from from Marcin. Um, I don't know if he'll get the invite or not, you know, he did he had two good two good showings at Speaker 1: Two medalist performances at trials helps. Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely definitely helps and, you know, him being Polish too, maybe, but Speaker 1: Also true. Speaker 2: Um, and then I was excited to see Richie B be in the in the final, I mean in the um third place match there against that Sergio guy. I believe he ended up losing the third place. Speaker 1: Yeah, Sergio won that. Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up losing. Speaker 1: But still Richie B did really well. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I was excited to see that Richie B had some good success in there. Um, yeah, it looked like it was kind of like an Aoki lock or something like that, right? That he got him with uh got Richie B with at the end there. Speaker 1: Maybe. I'm not sure. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Shout out to the finalist. Speaker 1: Standing Aoki. It was kind of crazy. Speaker 2: Standing Aoki. That'll get you. Uh, shout out to the finalist at 66, 16 years old. Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Speaker 2: This Ukrainian kid. Speaker 1: Yeah, Zivanov or Speaker 2: Zivanov, yeah, something like that. Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I kind of thought, like I know you've been big on Ye, and so like definitely I was watching him throughout and everything cuz you're kind of like we're predicting him as one of the guys who could win and everything. But as soon as I started watching uh this kid Zivanov going, I was like, I don't know, man, we might have another 16-year-old that no one's super hip to just come out of this like through all the freaking ashes and emerge the champion and have another 66 uh uh champ. So, Speaker 2: That was a pretty close final too. Speaker 1: That was a pretty close final. Yeah, yeah, up until, yeah, Ye was finally able to Speaker 2: Super close. Speaker 1: Yeah, he got points. Speaker 2: He took the back and he did choke him. Uh, but up until then it was was super even. He was in on a couple really good takedowns and and uh Ye definitely had to work his way back into the match. Looked like a veteran performance to me, honestly. Just him staying a little bit more calm, big moment, not freaking out. Uh, yeah, but uh that is definitely a kid that we're going to hear from again. So many good young talents, especially coming out of like the UK with that or or out of Europe, rather. Uh, like with that kid, with Nico, uh who won the last trials. So definitely want to shout out that kid for having an awesome little performance there. Speaker 1: Another another Sorry, not an awesome little performance. That's so demeaning. An awesome performance. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah. Another another big moment that I feel uh like was one of the most electric moments while I was watching live. And I say this with the caveat of like, a little too much Los Bandidos glaze going on, and I feel like those dudes are not Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to hear about it, bro. Speaker 1: I know. Those dudes like, you can't say nothing nice about these dudes. Speaker 2: You're the glazer, not us. Don't put us in this. Speaker 1: You can't say nothing bad about these guys. Speaker 2: D1 glazer. Speaker 1: Yeah, just freaking D1 glazer over here. I'm just going to get made fun of in like like deep London, South London slang that I can't even understand. I'm going to be hitting the Google machine after they make fun of me to figure out what these dudes even said to me. But Speaker 2: Coming to work tomorrow, Trey's all bummed out. No, they said I was all cocked up. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But you know, I thought one of the sickest moments, I don't know if you guys saw this in the quarterfinals, Christian Osbeck was down two. Speaker 2: That was sick. Yeah. Speaker 1: It's two to zero. And then like with literally as time expired, like I think he like he like secures the back, gets the hooks in, and there's like maybe like two seconds left on the clock. And it was kind of one of those situations where where it was like, is there enough time where he got the hooks in for there for him to get the official points off of it? And he did get the points for the back, went up 3-2, like basically as time expired. And that was just like, damn, bro. What a dog. Just made it happen. Was like going to lose. So many people at that point would just kind of be like, well, nothing I can do. But Christian Osbeck just kind of hit a slick little back take. Speaker 2: So hard to score points at ADCC format, no matter what, you know? Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did. So I thought that was sick. Like watching it live, that was kind of like, holy shit, no way. Christian's going to do this? So, I thought that was cool. Speaker 2: One that was very similar to that, you mentioned the match a little bit, but Linus versus Ferris was also super late scored for Ferris to take it. Linus to finish top four, uh Mateus Major actually took third place there. Uh, but that yeah, that was just like a a razor close. Points came up after the time had expired cuz they had to like sit there and think like, did he get it, you know, really talk it out. Uh, but that was also, yeah, just like throwing on the cape and going and making it happen. Another kind of finish like that. And yeah, I mean, these guys did all the coolest stuff at trials. What else were you supposed to, yeah, you guys get all the the talk. Speaker 1: That that match was great just cuz I thought that it was just like there was so much on the line. Both Linus and Ferris, kind of first timers in this position of kind of being, you know, a little bit more favored to to go to the later rounds and stuff like that. So I feel like they didn't have a you know, anyway, they had a lot a lot of momentum and stuff like that. And and the match kind of was a little bit stalematey, right? Like it it they they were obviously two very good kind of matches for each other, you know, and it was just like, all right, like kind of when's that moment going to drop or who the person who wants it more goes out and and grabs it, you know? And then it was and Ferris is just so good at taking people's back from like standing position, I feel like. Speaker 2: Yeah, wrestling and then getting to your back as soon as you start to defend it. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so and he obviously, you know, final seconds and everything like that, just dug deep into the gas tank and made it happen. And just you could see how devastated Linus was just kind of immediately too as well. So it was just like, there was a lot on the line in that match. That that was a fun one. Speaker 2: To to go anti-glaze here. Speaker 1: Let's do it. Speaker 2: When Christian was messaging me, he was kind of like talking about his match with Hysam and he was like, man, I I fought all these massive dudes and then it's it's Hysam that ends up getting me. Speaker 1: There was a height issue in that match. Yeah. Speaker 2: And uh, well, cuz I think like honestly, Osbeck is like Speaker 1: He's not a Speaker 2: He's like an 88 guy. Like he might have beefed up for this, but I think he is like would be like an 88 competitor. If he was like in his division, but I don't know. Speaker 1: I think it was the Bandidos plan to like 77 Taylor, cuz even Taylor's like usually an 88 guy, right? But I guess he's kind of making the move to 77. Yeah, Taylor at 77, Ferris at 88, Owen at 99, Christian at plus 99. I think if they were all left to their own devices, that probably wouldn't be their best. Speaker 2: Every single one of them is an 88 dude, so they're just having to spread it out. Speaker 1: Maybe. Speaker 2: Osbeck was like uh Speaker 1: Makes for really good training. Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, man, no, I was banged up and then I got I got baited into the arm bar by Hysam. And my response was, yeah, I know, that was awesome. I I so come on now. I talk I was taking a piss out of him a little bit, huh? Just a wee bit, just taking a piss out of him a wee bit. And he was just like, bro, no way I got I got Flow just celebrating my downfall right now. And I was like, nah, I'm just kidding. I was just kidding. I just wanted to I just wanted to sneak that one in there cuz I feel like I'm always getting made fun of for glazing everybody. But uh, so, so yeah, you know, I'm just trading barbs with the Los Bandidos crew. Speaker 1: So I'm basically, yeah. Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just like basically one of the boys that look like me. I don't even I don't even care about this stupid show or this stupid tournament either, dude. I'm just like chilling, doing cool stuff. Speaker 1: Oh, dad just qualified for ADCC. See, my bad. Oh, oh, shit. Did they just invite me to ADCC? Like, I guess I'll do it, but No, I'm just kidding. But overall, yeah, I thought trials was sick. Um, Speaker 2: ADCC season's the best. Speaker 1: It is the best. Speaker 2: There's always just yeah, there's just so much you just like cannot expect. You know what I mean? Like you could not script up Anna dominating through two trials and then losing in her first match that would have actually sent her to Worlds. You know what I mean? Speaker 1: Yeah, ups and downs of it. Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's it's weddings and funerals and and crazy stuff, man. Speaker 1: Yeah. Any were there any other big takeaways you guys remember? Hey, I got I got a question actually. Cuz during the live stream, this dude would not stop asking me to talk about the Said guard and what I think about the Said guard and if I could show the Said guard and just Said guard this, Said guard that. And I was like, bro, I don't know what the Said guard is, and I'm not going to be able to know by the time I end this stream. But he ended up saying that it's like a variation of the clamp guard that that Adam uses. Do you know anything about the Said guard or who's doing it or who Said is? I don't even know who Said is. Speaker 2: So that's probably a good purple belt from another gym he knows. That he thinks is like a lot more popular than he is and like comes to open mat sometimes and like the guys there talk about it. That's like I don't think that's like a thing. Speaker 1: Cuz yeah, that was the only info I got is eventually I was just like, cuz he was trying to describe it and he couldn't describe it. And he was just like, it's kind of like I think Adam maybe has a G variation. I was like, are you talking about clamp guard? Like is that what's going on here? That's the only and I don't know that much about clamp guard either, to be honest. Speaker 2: Said's just really good at butterfly guard. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Turns out we meant closed guard. Speaker 1: Yeah. Dude just nasty at half butterfly. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Hey, okay, I didn't know I didn't know if you would know. Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about it. Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know Said guard. Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like people like obviously there's a big push to like invent your own guard. Uh, by and large, we've figured them out. You know what I mean? If it's a position where you can hold somebody and do offense for an extended period of time, uh, I bet that we figured it out. I'll go a step further. I only think there's three guards. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Open, closed, and half. Those are really the only three guards that basically exist and everything is just kind of pushing and pulling of Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. All right, all right. Let's do this is a new segment called open, closed, or half, where me and Reed uh say a guard and then Joe tells us which category it falls in. Speaker 2: Super easy. Go ahead. Speaker 1: Uh or should it be the opposite? Speaker 2: Oh, we try to predict which one? Yeah, let's do it that way. Let's do it that way. So give us a guard. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Spider. Speaker 1: Oh, open. Speaker 2: Open. Deep half. Speaker 1: Half. Half. Half butterfly. Speaker 2: Half. Uh, rubber. Speaker 1: Closed. Closed. Yeah. Uh, X-guard. Speaker 2: Open. Speaker 1: Open. Okay. Octopus guard. Speaker 2: Ooh. Speaker 1: Open. Not even really a guard. Just a thing you do. Speaker 2: Uh-oh. Speaker 1: It's like it's like turtle guard, right? Uh, yeah, cuz you can do it from so many places. So it's more of a technique and a system than a guard, I would say. Speaker 2: It's like turtle guard, right? Uh, yeah, cuz you can do it from so many places. So it's more of a technique and a system than a guard, I would say. Speaker 1: But it's got a maybe my first thought if you had to put it in one of those three, Speaker 2: Open. Speaker 1: Would be I was going to say half. Yeah, it's kind of half. Yeah. But once you get the arm around, now is your is your arm acting as though it's half guard with the legs equivalent? Speaker 2: I wouldn't say so, personally. Speaker 1: Dude, there's another moment on the live stream. Sorry to keep referencing the live stream, kind of lame. But uh, where a dude was like, why don't you do more analysis of the jiu-jitsu? I was like, I don't know if I'm that guy, pal. Like it's like there's different types of guys who are die hard jiu-jitsu guys, very technical, analytical guys who are like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And generally, they competed ADCC, you know? And so there was like, I was like, all right, here we go. This is the technical analysis portion. I just like was breaking down a Taylor Pearman heel hook and I was just like, all right, as you can see here, he's establishing control. I was just I was just pulling every John Danaher and Greg Sauders like line I could. He's establishing control, uh inside Sankaku of the near side leg. All right, he is now enacted double trouble by controlling the secondary leg and creating a dilemma. His opponent reacts to the dilemma opening the outside heel hook, uh beautifully done by Taylor Pearman. There you go. That was my analysis. Speaker 2: Just like I wrote it up. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like sometimes I feel like uh when people are doing low level analysis, like I would have to categorize myself as doing if I'm trying to do analysis, I'm just saying exactly what I see. I'm not like analyzing it on some deeper level, which I think a lot of people do on the internet. It's just like, yeah, no, everyone can see that he grabbed the second leg. I don't know if that is that technically analysis or not, but, you know. Speaker 2: I think it I think that analysis actually kind of follows one of those like bell curves where it's like, uh, you know, you you've seen the like and the two people are on the far side. Speaker 1: 64% of people fall in this portion of analysis. Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like on the bottom end of the the spectrum, it's like, oh, he's grabbing his leg and fucking it up. And then the middle it's like, he's getting to a double outside reverse Sankaku exposing the heel. And then on the like far end of the spectrum where you know a lot, it's like, yeah, he's grabbing his leg and fucking it up. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's like also true. Like yeah. Just kind of comes back around to like, yeah, fuck this shit up right there. That's crazy. Yeah, I know. Maybe we should make like to to accompany your breakdown series, which has probably better analysis. I might make a just super chill, low key analysis series where I'm just like, oh, shit, dude, I don't know. It feels like it seems like that probably hurt. Like, yeah, I'd probably tap to that. Speaker 2: He got him. He got him. Speaker 1: Dude, he got him good. Yeah, he's gotten right where he wants him. Oh, he doesn't want to okay. My analysis falls into three categories. He's got him right where he wants him. He doesn't want to be there. And oh, shit, he's tapping. Speaker 2: He got the tap. Speaker 1: All analysis can fall into those three categories. Speaker 2: I I will, yeah, it's it's hard my own analysis to not add in a uh damn, got his ass. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. There's so much jiu-jitsu where it is just kind of like, damn, got his ass. If he taps him, that means it worked. He did a really good job. Yeah. There's one dude kept saying I I talk like a white belt, and I was like, no, dude, I'm just on the other end of the bell curve. I'm so far advanced. You don't understand that. The simple analysis. It's a real thing. Yeah. I was just like, yeah. Speaker 2: He it was Mark Twain who said, he who analyzes simply says analyzes best, you know? So, Speaker 1: Straight up. Speaker 2: Why use why use many word when few word do? Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Speaker 2: Next trials is uh Brazil trials. Speaker 1: South American. March 20th or 14th and 20th? Speaker 2: Yeah, 14th and 20th, something like that. That sounds right. Speaker 1: 14th and 20th. Speaker 2: 14th and 20th. Speaker 1: First maybe. Speaker 2: Um, yeah, kind of the Ides of March, you know, kind of right in the right in the middle. So, we'll see what uh what comes of that. But uh, so that that's the next one. Like I said, ADCC. Speaker 1: I feel like we got a little too impressed at Reed using a literary reference. Like I feel like if he was to throw back, hey, fuck you guys. Speaker 2: You guys just you just dropped a Mark Twain thing. But the Ides of March. Speaker 1: I mean, that's like I feel like that's like one of the most famous quotes ever, to be honest. But um, yeah, okay, so now let's move into our uh literary update with Reed Connell. You've been reading the Serbian history book, huh? Now that Serbian trials are over, tell us what's going on in this book, huh? Speaker 2: No, no, you know, it was nice to see the Serbians, you know, kind of beyond this uh, you know, jiu-jitsu international stage hosting a uh a tournament of this caliber, you know? Speaker 1: Awesome to see. Speaker 2: So. Speaker 1: Okay. All right, we'll save Serbian history for next episode. When when Reed gets further into it. Speaker 2: Serbian history is made every day, my brother. Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. Um, but yeah, Brazil trials should be sick. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, excited about Brazil trials. Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the registration. Speaker 2: And then April is is the North American trials, so. Speaker 1: Yep, West Coast. Speaker 2: What really makes for people who have not experienced like an ADCC season, maybe like it's your first like time really paying attention. What makes Brazil trials especially crazy, is that it's back-to-back weekends. So these guys like you'll see them like go through to like the semis or the finals even and not punch their ticket. And they got to show up a week later and do that whole bracket with all the same guys over again. It is it is so You see guys at the end of the second tournament who you've just watched in the last week have 15 brawls. And it's like, hey, man, do you need a water or something? Like, can I help you out? Like Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: Like Majid Hage is kind of the one that came to mind. I remember I remember he had just like absolute wars at the first trials and then lost in the in the finals. Speaker 1: Like the semis or the finals. Speaker 2: Semis or the finals. One of those and then had to go back and just fight through all those like, you know, kind of like unknown black belt Milky Galvao dudes who are just like, you know, killers. That's brutal. Speaker 1: All all of them know that they can change their life by getting you. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Fighting for much, much more than Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Giving them credit for him, but Speaker 1: You guys think we're going to see some uh relatively unknown 66 kilo Milky Galvao student come out of this one? Like they were so close last time. Like Collabi, uh Speaker 2: Yeah, Collabi and them, yeah, like I I do think, yeah, they just Speaker 1: Is Collabi small enough to do 66? He's probably Speaker 2: Is Collabi small enough to do 66? He's probably I have no idea. Speaker 1: Like I feel like last time I saw him at trials, I was like, this kid is huge. Like how the hell Speaker 2: He's got to be going up to 77. Speaker 1: Did he make 66? He's got to be going up to 77. I think he's going up. I think Izaki Lima's going up to 77. Uh, so, Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: I'll tell you another thing. They'll they'll make whatever weight Milky tells them to. So, don't worry about that. Speaker 2: Yeah, Nika's in at 77, then it's like Collabi can't be in at 77 then, so. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it it's yeah, like yeah, like we're kind of alluding to, there's a lot of like team dynamics and interpersonal dynamics that I feel like at like West Coast or East Coast trials, you just kind of don't feel as much. European trials, you kind of just don't feel them as much. Here, I feel like it's like more personal when we get to South American trials somehow, especially cuz it's like not exactly ghee jiu-jitsu with, you know, the the respectability of of CBJJ and and IBJJF. Uh, coming in is like, no, we're here fighting and it's my people against your people and anything can happen here. Speaker 2: And it's like each each team has like five guys who could win. So it's like it really is like for those five guys, it's their opportunity to kind of like, you know, kind of get ahead of the rest of the pack, you know, that they're kind of stuck in or whatever. So, it's like yeah, just their opportunity. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to I think we're going to see some There's we're going to see some crazy stuff for sure from South American trials. I remember last year at the second trials, that was uh the Fabricio split from Milky's gym was a little more fresh. And I remember when the brackets dropped, it was like Fabricio and then every Milky student. Speaker 2: Milky, Milky, Milky. Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like, oh my God, Fabricio is going to have to fight every kid that he's like helped bring up out of the mud. And in the middle of all of that, he mixed in a Peruvian dude who was on a kind of sick run, wrist snapped him in the slowest motion we've ever filmed, and just got a huge clip out of that. So, you know, I felt like, you know, Fabricio last year, South American trials, insane performance. And uh, I feel like there's going to be some more of that come this time. I don't know who's going to be, but definitely some of that. Speaker 2: It was like out of an anime. Speaker 1: Yeah, it just genuinely is the most anime's ever going to get. Yeah, there's a lot of people that it it all depends on the sign ups, right? It all depends. Sometimes you'll see like one division has all the top people signed up, you know it's going to deliver, and then it always does. Uh, and then there's other people just really hoping that they make their way in. Gabby Passania's at the top of my mind. Sarah Galvao's another one who I just really hope these people uh can get into that second trials and and qualify their spot and not have to have it left up to an invite or not. Uh, and then obviously there's a ton of men as well uh that I hope make it through. Speaker 1: Yeah, there's dudes like like Pedro Mourinho won the second South American trials last year. It's like, okay, is he is he going to go down and do it again, you know? There's just there's just a lot of uh like potential for this one. I will say, since we're talking South American trials, like I am stoked to see this Peruvian team again. Like last year, I feel like they were just having insane matches, both first and second South American trials. Like I don't know a lot of them personally or anything, but they would just all rock the same rash guard with the Peruvian flag on the back. And they were just going out there and having insane matches. Like Speaker 2: Scrap City the entire time. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like just scrapping the whole way through. There's a bunch of them. I remember one of them was the match where Renee like ended up uh Uchimataing him off of the like onto the concrete, which was like, you thought someone was going to die. Like he'd exploded somebody's lunch, which was really funny. And just we just had someone's lunch all over like the edge of the mat and the concrete. I was like, hell yeah. Hell yeah, boys, now we're doing it. Um, so, I think South American trials will be sick. We got IBJJF Grand Prix coming it's going to be February 26th, where we're going to get to see uh a lot of these people who have been in kind of the the trials mixes and everything like Marlon, we'd mentioned Pedro Mourinho, uh Devonte's going to be there, Michael Pixley, a lot of Nick Hartman, a lot of dope people, but maybe we'll do a full breakdown next week for that one. Speaker 2: Brackets after that, by the way, so make sure you check out the the bracket on IBJJF. Speaker 1: Should we just run through the bracket real quick? How how long have we been going, Slack, do you know? Speaker 2: Let's save it for next week. I feel like we'll Speaker 1: Save it for next week. Yeah, I feel like save it. All right, so we're going to do a big IBJJF Grand Prix breakdown next week. We'll we'll break down the the bracket and everything. We got to we got to conspire to get the belt off of Reed. So we got to think of some game that uh plays into our, you know, like our Speaker 2: Maybe like a total match time. Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, let's see who can create the the team with the most total match time. That would be honestly hilarious. Like Speaker 2: Not how I was thinking of it, but yeah, that works too. Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just saying like total match time for the for the Grand Prix or something. Oh, gotcha. Yeah. We'll we'll figure out some. We'll we'll do a full breakdown for the the Grand Prix next week. Have a little fun game or something. But thank you guys all for tuning in and uh we'll see you in the next episode.