Law Enforcement Officer, Black Belt, Defensive Tactics Expert, Steven Chin

Speaker 1: What are we rolling? Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. This is episode 186 of the Jujitsu Dummies Podcast. We're brought to you by Black Belt Digital Marketing. Anything you need to build your business on or offline. It's website design, SEO, Google Ads, graphic design, printing. We are doing really great with setting up LSA accounts, local service ad accounts for clients because they've made it extremely difficult. Reach out uh at BBdigitalmarketing.com or at Black Belt Digital Marketing on Instagram. We can do a free review of your entire online presence immediately. Get you something within just a couple of days. My name is Milton Campus. I'm a Black Belt training out of South Florida. Uh today we have Stephen Chen joining us. Welcome, Stephen. We're going to bring you back in in a second. Uh don't forget to like, comment, save, share, do all those click, you know, all those buttons, subscribe. Uh we appreciate all your support. Uh again, um joining us today is law enforcement officer Stephen Chen. Uh he's the owner of Direct Action Training, right? And a and a Jujitsu Black Belt. Uh we're going to do a few shout outs, so just be patient with us for a minute. I'm going to toss it to my uh my esteemed co-host Ben. Oh, that's me. For intros and uh and obviously uh Fight Tape, which uh is doing really well. Speaker 3: Well, my name is Ben Stark. I'm a third-degree Black Belt from American Top Team and the Nice to meet you, Ben. Oh, it's a pleasure, sir. Pleasure, pleasure. I'm also the owner and operator of American Top Team Palm Beach Gardens. If you are in the North Palm Beach area and you want to train with the absolute best team around, come check out American Top Team Palm Beach Gardens for all of your martial arts and combat sports needs. Now, fighters, Jujitsuros, anyone that wraps their hands or gets boo boos on their joints, you will need athletic tape, and I know exactly where you can get it. Fighttape.us. Better prices, better quality. Ignore the big brands. And if you want it white labeled, we can do that too. Fighttape.us. Check us out. Speaker 2: You reposted that damn packing video, didn't you? Speaker 3: Oh, no, no. That's a new one. That's a new one. Speaker 2: Is that a new one? Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I refuse to reuse content. Speaker 2: Can I tell you something? Speaker 3: Sure. Speaker 2: It drives you crazy that I put Nice. Speaker 3: Well, you need the Speaker 2: There you go. I broke the rule. There it is. Speaker 3: You need the ASMR. You need the It drives me nuts. Speaker 2: Putting like packaging in there. I can't understand why you don't just grab one stack of tape and put it in there while you're putting one piece. Speaker 3: Because I need a 17-second video and not a three-second video. Speaker 2: But you know what? I watched the whole thing to the end. It locks you in. But that ASMR is like it drives me freaking nuts. You know, you know what's getting me the you know the little thing on the door that the door stop. Yeah. I I have to stop that thing when it's going. Speaker 3: Really? Speaker 2: Even though it's going to be like maybe three or four seconds, I have to stop that thing. It drives me nuts. Every time I hear it. I push the door into the wall. You know, I push it hard into the wall to get it to stop. Speaker 3: That sound particular reminds me of like high school cafeteria like beatboxing. Like the dude with the pen. Oh, yeah. What? Oh, the Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I flash back to high school every time I hear that. It's like shitty bass in a car. It's exactly what it sounds like. Speaker 2: I watch it. I watch still watch it. I watch the whole thing and it's like nails on a chalkboard the entire time I watch it. Speaker 3: Like, share, subscribe. Speaker 2: All right, so, uh, we are also brought to you by Academysafe.org. Academy Safe is a nonprofit whose mission is to help clean up the martial arts by advocating for background checks, US Center for Safe Sports certifications, concussion training, and a and a host of other things. We have eight pillars uh that we uh certify or check with Academy owners and their staff members. That's the big part of what we're doing. We're not just getting uh an owner or one coach to do a background check. We're getting the entire staff. Ben happens to be a uh a member. Then we have a couple of guys that are just finishing up and they're going to be the CPR, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, Kurt just finished last Friday. He did his CPRs and everything. So you guys should have everything now. Speaker 2: You know, like as an example, Kurt turned 18. We're not doing background checks on on kids. So once they hit 18, they're a staff member. We add them on. You're accredited on the website. You got your stickers that you that you can put throughout your facility. You got your coffee mug and your shirts and all that stuff, right? So, um, you know, we do this throughout the United States and Canada. Uh I am the founder and executive director of Academy Safe. Rob Ingram from Mcdojo Life. You know those like those funny videos, right? Mcdojo Life. Rob is our executive VP and together we're just trying to change the world, the way that people find and that martial arts Academy. Speaker 3: The world. Speaker 2: The world. Yeah. Speaker 3: The world. Speaker 2: You caught me say that, right? Speaker 3: The world of martial arts at least. Speaker 2: I I'm going to tell you off air some of the things that cuz I don't want to give away the secrets, but you know how I am with that stuff. Like I don't want the whole world to know. But, um, we are I think that we're going to change the way that these organizations kind of interact. Right? Because every organization has its own, every discipline, I should say, has its like own organization. Jujitsu specifically doesn't really have anything. You can say IBJJF and I have a lot of respect for them. I know not everybody has their opinion on them and they're, you know, across the spectrum from, you know, really, really good to really, really shitty. Uh, but there's nobody that's just like, you know, doing these there's nobody doing it. It's not required to do a background check and you're dealing with kids, right? You know, so literally like, you know, the guy that drives up to the school to pick them up for the aftercare program, we know nothing about that guy. We don't know his driving record. We don't know about his personal record, any domestic nothing. There's no requirement. And the school doesn't the school, I don't know if maybe the schools do. I don't know that 100% that they require it, but just, right? Even if that guy's got a background check, you bring him to the school, we know nothing about anybody that they've just, you know, any of the coaches that are receiving those kids after school. We we know nothing about them. So, I think that what we're doing is going to really change the game. Um, even, you know, we're talking to some some big affiliations and one of them announced that they're going to be doing background checks. Uh, we were in talks with them to like, hey, we could do the we could do that for you. We were already in talks with them, but because they were talking to us and then what happened with Atos, they're like now they've now announced that they're they're doing background checks on all their staff members. So, hopefully they will at least work with us in some capacity and then get those people listed on let's get those academies and people listed on the on the website. So check us out at Academysafe.org. Uh, if you're an individual coach, you can you can sign on. You don't need like if you just believe in this and you work at an academy, go on, purchase your package for the year. We'll get you through everything. Um, you do not have to wait for the owner to do it. We'll list the academy and list you as a coach there, but it'll show that it's not accredited yet, but it'll show the things that we've certified, the things that you're you've done, including like your again, lineage check, US Center for Safe Sport, the background check. Speaker 3: So, I was coaching like 15 years before I opened my gym. And if you are a coach, if you are a fighter who makes your ends meet by coaching, forget what the gym does. Do it yourself. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: One, it is a great resume piece. And two, you can charge more for your services because you have proven to be a higher quality. Speaker 2: Not only like I go in and I I want to like coach the adults program or the kids program. Cuz right people jump around, right? They might coach here for an hour and go some place else. Speaker 3: Yeah, I've coached at probably five different gyms. Speaker 2: But privates. Yeah. To go into a situation where you're like, I'm background check. I'm going to start privates, right? Now, I'm going to say this is the last thing I'll say about it though is like, and I still say, just never leave your kids alone with anybody. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: You know, you bring them to class, stick around. That's it. Don't send them on on trips to any organizations, uh, you know, tournament, I think. Don't send them away. Go with them. If you can't go with them. Speaker 3: I'm going to go on my daughter's dates. Speaker 2: It's going to be great. I'm sure she's going to love that. Speaker 3: What movie are we seeing, guys? Speaker 2: Right in the middle of the popcorn. Speaker 3: You two are great. Hey, hey, buddy. That's awesome. 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You get the profit or you take that profit and you put it towards inventory, right? You only paid a couple hundred bucks. The orders that came in from the public pay for the rest. Right? So I think that's a really cool program. So, uh aside from that, if you order anything, if you just want to order your belts, your ghee, t-shirts, what have you, nogi kits, Flo and Roll.com, get 20% off with code JJ Day. All right? All right, that's it. You're good. We just paid the bills. All right. Stephen, once again, welcome. Uh you are a we could say you're your uh the department you work for. That's not a problem, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, not a problem. Speaker 2: Yeah, so you BSO. Broward Sheriff's uh office, right? Um, and then you also own Direct Action Training. Speaker 3: Direct Action Training. Speaker 2: Direct Action Training. Uh, where you are training I like looking at the website, you're training other law enforcement officers, but you'll train like an individual as well. Like somebody who just wants like to, you know, learn how to protect themselves. Right? We're not talking about just traditional Jujitsu. I you know, you've got weapons training. I saw you not like, right? Knife fighting, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, most people know me as a knife guy. Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it. So you're, you know, somebody can come in off the street or you can go and train a group of law enforcement officers, right? You're kind of doing it all, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, very diverse. Uh, so like I'm a marketing nightmare for those agencies, uh marketing agencies because I just do so many things, right? Uh, but I've been in the game for like two and a half decades. Uh, you name a discipline, I did it at at one of its highest levels. So I just I've built uh quite quite a resume at this point. Done a lot of different things. Speaker 2: Jujitsu for how many years, right? Speaker 3: I mean, I started at 15. I'm uh 38 now. So I mean it's it's been a a long road. And uh along that I I did boxing, um, you know, um, Brazilian Jujitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling, uh Pikiti Tursia Kali. Um, so Speaker 2: That's the Speaker 3: All the Filipino martial arts. Yeah. So I've been in that space and just training for a very long time. I was um professional fighter for the first half of my my my life. So I was doing it like, you know, two, three times a day, six days a week. So that that was a big chunk of my life. When I got out of that, I got heavy into the weapons game because I realized that was my missing link, right? Like as far as the diversity of uh, you know, hand-to-hand, ground, stand up. I kind of had that figured out, but I was like, well, weapons are a game changer. So every time I trained, I made sure I was the worst in the room at whatever it is I was doing, right? So when I was boxing, I was boxing with like world champions, you know what I mean? I was in there with um Speaker 2: You literally you mean like you were the worst. You were Speaker 3: Correct. I made sure I was the worst in the room. Speaker 2: 100%. Speaker 3: That's why I changed schools so many damn times. Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about that before we started recording. Speaker 3: I I was like just terrified of like not growing anymore. That was like my biggest fear. Like I was so performance driven. I I still am to this point in my life. So I didn't care about like the rank, the politics, any of that stuff. I hated it. I just cared about performance. And I just wanted to be better. And anybody who had anything to offer, I was like, yeah, let's do it. But that did get me hated in the community for a very long time. Uh, but I'm so glad I did it because I wouldn't be who I am today. I wouldn't have the skill sets that I have today if I didn't do that. Like people always ask me today like what's your greatest skill set because I'm very diverse with all these disciplines, but I'm like it's it's exactly that. It's the diversity, the fact that take me anywhere and fight and I'm comfortable there. You know? Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I got we've got a couple of new white belts, tough like young, strong white belts. And I kind of just like had this epiphany. I was doing it without really realizing I was doing it. I didn't go into it going, today I'm going to do this thing. But I've been putting myself into they're both really strong. So I'm just putting myself into bad positions to see how they're going to react to it so that I get a different look from the guy that really knows how to do Jujitsu and like I kind of know what's going to what's going to come out. Yeah, right. Uh, I had somebody land on my foot the other night, but somebody got rolled in in another roll and landed on my foot. But anyway, but like yesterday I was just like, oh, well, yeah, keep on. Yeah, I'm like again, subconsciously I was purposely putting myself into bad positions because it's like, you know, I know what I'm going to do. Let me see what this spazzy white belt's going to do. And it's not, you know, I know everybody like hates spazzy white belts and you want to be careful. But I've been I've been doing that. It I feel like it's uh it kind of ties into what you're saying, like being the worst guy in the room. I okay, look, so I'm going to put myself in a really bad position so that I have to fight out of this. As opposed to again, like two guys that know what, you know, everybody knows I'm going to throw the lockdown on them, you know, you know, so you know, right? So everybody knows you start to know everybody's game. But I I look, go ahead. Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I was big on that. That was always like my one of my worst fears, you know, and like just growing up being in the game for a long time that whole uh, you know, Lion's Den theory that we talked about with Ken Shamrock, you know, where he'd only train with his students and it left him believing he was better than he was, then he got into the ring or the cage and realized this is a problem. But, you know, you could build that false sense of confidence by never changing rooms and I saw that happen to him and I was like, well, I never want that to be me. So, I was changing rooms constantly. And uh I was best thing I could have done. I mean, it it it had its pros and cons, but I I wouldn't change it for anything. Speaker 2: What you just described too is is what a lot of guys through I I went through this being at training 12 years, eight years at the same school, um, like leg locks. My my coach was an old school guy. We trained mostly ghee. Even when we did nogi, there wasn't a lot of heel hooks. There wasn't a lot of like leg game like waist down stuff. And to go to other schools that have been training it and like to get teed up on with with leg locks and foot locks and ankle like I experienced it myself even over the last couple years. I'm just like, wow, I'm really deficient here. I knew we didn't train a lot, but, you know, again, we're we weren't all going after each other's feet. And um, you know, now I'm like, now I know what I'm Speaker 3: Oh, 100%. Speaker 2: I got to practice on, you know. Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got to change rooms. And like leg locks are the best example of that. And like Speaker 2: For a lot of people, that this is like this is the when I just explained is like the norm for the hobbyist that goes out and goes to the same school all the time and like, you know, the coach is just like a lot of times it's because the coach isn't really proficient in it that they don't teach it, right? Speaker 3: Correct. 100%. Speaker 2: You like I I still I tell people, my game is my old coach's game. Cuz that's what he told us, you know. Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a product of your environment. Speaker 2: We stayed away from the legs a lot, you know. But Speaker 3: I used to get so much crap for being a leg locker with 2001, 2002. Speaker 2: What did they call you? A cobbler? Speaker 3: They was they called me they called me a cobbler. Uh, they called me a shoe peddler. Uh, they were referring Speaker 2: In in in Portuguese, were they saying it to you in Portuguese or were they saying it in English? Speaker 3: Both. Speaker 2: Cobbler, what's the translation for cobbler? Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. And then the the the big one that sold stuck out to me was uh that leg locks were thieves' moves. Like this is the behavior of a rogue. Speaker 2: You were before you walked in, he was telling the story if you want to tell it again, where you got your black belt in Brazil. I I'll let you tell the story, but you mentioned you did a Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big leg guy. Speaker 2: You did a heel hook in the ghee on somebody and they were like, no, no, no, not here. Speaker 3: He's like, you can't do that. I was like, I just did. But okay. I understand it's banned across all rule sets minus high rollers. High rollers are the only event in the world that'll let you heel hook in the ghee. Yeah. So, yeah, he's like, you can't do that. Uh, I was like, I just did, but I was like, okay, no problem. Um, I was like, are traditional foot locks fine? So, this this was uh like uh their best black belt. He put him out to me and um 20 seconds in, I get him in the heel hook. And then they're like, hey, you can't do that. I'm like, great, no problem. I was like, can I do traditional foot locks? He's like, yeah, no problem. 21 seconds later, get him in a traditional foot lock. Same guy. And just now I'm burning through him, right? And I could see like the deficiency, right? in in this whole school. It's like, yeah, they're a black belt, but maybe a blue belt at best as far as leg locks goes. So, it was just uh I was like, oh, well, I'm just going to capitalize on this and it was just like, you know, leg lock Phil day to this thing. Yeah. Um, but, you know, I grew up with like that early days of Eddie Bravo, you know, like I was telling you earlier, I got to train with um with him quite a few times. Um, and even Joe Rogan when he was a a a purple belt. You know, I remember the first time Joe Rogan tapped me and I was like, oh, I can't believe I got tapped by the Fear Factor guy. He's like, I can't believe you said that. You know what I mean? I was like, it's true. Speaker 2: Did you said that to him? Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, he's like, why are you look so down, man? He's like, it's cool. You know, like we all get tapped. I was like, no, but I got tapped by the Fear Factor guy, dude. And he's like, oh. Speaker 2: He either loves you or hates you right after that. Last time I rolled with him. Uh, but it it was it was great. Speaker 3: Were you there for Renato Laranja? The creation of Renato Laranja? Speaker 2: No. The Speaker 3: Are you familiar with him? He did CJI announcing. He's a Puerto Rican soap opera actor who just Speaker 2: His name is literally like orange, the last name is orange. Speaker 3: I've yeah, but that's not his real name. It's a character he made up with Joe to be this annoying guy who blew up. Speaker 2: You know who you know, Renato Laranja, he does, you know, he calls Ronda Rousey, Honda Housey, like it's just a joke. It's an ongoing gimmick. Speaker 3: Oh, so he he he hit the scene. Eddie Bravo and him set up a thing where he would come into Eddie Bravo's class with a black belt with nine stripes on it, interrupt every technique and Eddie would get frustrated and be like, you want some bro? Come get some. And then Eddie Bravo went to sleep to a North South choke and that was the creation of Renato Laranja. Speaker 2: Okay. All right, yeah. I did see that. Yeah. I remember the routine that you were talking about where he went to sleep. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he he I that that Speaker 3: It's surprising that he would even do that. Like Speaker 2: That's the one that video was when I go, oh, this is a joke. Yeah, yeah. All right. I didn't cuz again, starting when I started. Speaker 3: It wasn't the one where he chased the naked Joe Rogan out of the locker room. Speaker 2: Oh, he even goes follows him out to the car. Speaker 3: Down the street. Come on, Joe Rogan. Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is just He's visibly like, all right, the joke's over. Like if it felt like, you know, knowing that it's a joke and then watching him he took it so far. Speaker 3: I don't think he knew until after. Speaker 2: Oh, you don't oh, really? Oh, was that oh, okay. So I'm thinking that maybe they knew each other. Was that what it is? Speaker 3: Maybe. They trained at the same gym. I don't know. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's that's hilarious. Yeah. It it's just it's when you know it, when like I I the the CJI stuff did did you watch CJI cuz like he's he does they give him a little segment. Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: So it it's a little over the top, you know. Speaker 3: It's supposed to be. Speaker 2: It's really weird. Speaker 3: But in a way, they the kids say cringy. It is very real. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The funny thing is like the belt with like the Does he have it on both sides? Like the like the guy Speaker 3: Oh, God. I think he's got like 37 stripes or something. Speaker 2: Who's the other guy? Master Ken? Yeah. I saw Master Ken, you know who Master Ken is, right? Yeah. I saw a video the other day and I had to go like I had to wait, hold on. Did I see this right? He has his belt, but then he has a third. Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. Speaker 2: He has a third like belt. Speaker 3: He has his belt and he has stripes along both sides. And then he just has another belt folded under it with more stripes over it. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I I just it just looks like it's a third. Yeah. What would you call that? Like this just a belt, right? It looks like a third. Just why are there three? Speaker 3: I got more stripes. Speaker 2: And then a whole another one with more stripes, which is freaking hilarious. That guy's an act. You know that guy's an actor too. Yeah. He's been in a like he's always in like the war movies and like he's Speaker 3: I think Master Ken might be the thing that that's popped him. He is massive. Yeah. Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Speaker 3: It's so spot on though. I mean, like it's not that far-fetched. And that's what's so hilarious about it. Like foot fist way. Speaker 2: What is that? Speaker 3: Um, the dude who made Eastbound and Down did a he's a karate instructor movie. Okay. Like you see it in the memes all the time. There's like a 80-year-old lady and a 60-year-old biker and he's like, careful, Miriam's dangerous. And the guy just like punches her in the face. Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. Oh, God. You got to send me that. Just send me a a link or whatever that is. Speaker 3: No problem. Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that that stuff is funny. Like I I don't know how I guess I don't know how they feel about it. I don't know how the Brazilians feel about getting made fun of like that, but I mean I think it's hilarious. You know, and it it is it is Speaker 3: They have a good sense of humor most of the time. Speaker 2: Really? I don't know. What do you think? You've been around for a while. I don't know how that Speaker 3: It depends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: It depends on who you're talking to. Speaker 3: On the day, who's saying it. I mean, it depends for everybody. You can tease me way more than someone I don't know can. Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think sometimes, you know, birds of a feather I well, not let me say birds of a feather just like certain sometimes like, you know, they uh, you know, they close ranks. A little bit like with with Atos. Like a lot of the like Brazilians, other Brazilian stars were still, you know, having their back. Again, we don't know what happened. By the way, he's back. You saw the video. He's back. Andre Galvao is back running classes at Atos. You know? I don't know. Thoughts about that? Speaker 3: I don't live in California. Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh. I said, um, I mean again, you've been around for a while. I don't think I said that I feel like the affiliate system is broken. And I'm going to clarify that by saying cuz I I I posted something like in the midst of all that. I'm like, the affiliate system broken. Tell me it's not. Like challenging people to to to say something. I what I'm realizing is that they don't provide there's there's no guidance from most of the HQ's. Like right now if up until this just happened, if you just said, prior to this happening with Andre Galvao, could you show me your protocol for somebody reporting an incident and how does it get to you in HQ? So you're in California, I'm in South Florida. I have an incident. What is the what is the protocol for reporting an incident? Like when people report stuff to Academy Safe now, I'm the guy that's getting it. And I the first thing in the message is, if you believe somebody's in danger, please dial 911. It's the first part of my my message, either a voice message or an email back. If somebody's in danger, please dial 911. Um, if you believe that somebody's going to be in danger in the future, please dial 911. And then I, you know, look, we're not a reporting agency. If you have information on one of our members, we can have a conversation and you can report them to us and then we'll take care of it. But we're not a reporting agency that can go out and just like, you know, look at any incident. We just can't. So, um, I don't believe that most like we're coming up with those protocols. We were never we never thought we were going to be some type of reporting agency. So we're coming up with those protocols. We have a resources page that, you know, kind of says what to do. We've added, I think that every academy should do this. We added a uh sex offender registries. US, Canadian, and Interpol. Speaker 3: Awesome. Speaker 2: Right? Go to our resources page, check out your student list. Right? Students become coaches, assistant coaches, non-paid, they're helpers and what could be happening. So, anyway, not to not to harp on that too much, but I don't think anybody could show what their protocols are because they don't exist. Speaker 3: They don't exist. No, there's no checks and balances. There's no oversight. There never has been. And you also have like it's very clicky, you know, and uh a lot of this stuff just will get buried. Uh so it's great that it's like coming to light, you know. It's been in the industry since the beginning of time, but at least now it's actually getting out there and uh people are starting to do stuff about it. Speaker 2: So like him coming back, I'm like, what are the new protocols? Can you show me what happens if somebody reports now? Because that girl the first thing she said is she went to one of the owners. She went to his wife and she told her Speaker 3: You're going to have to learn to deal with it. Speaker 2: Grin and bear it. Grin and bear it. Just, you know, you're going to have to deal with it. Speaker 3: Or or is this the hey, it's been four months. Nothing's happened. Well, I guess we're back to business. You know, that could be just as equally the case. Speaker 2: He said he went to he went to law enforcement. He went to the police department. He goes, they didn't come to me. They didn't ask me. I wanted to let them know that I was available for Speaker 3: What I what I've learned from, you know, just criminal justice stuff, especially federally, they're not coming for you until they have the case. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Like, why am I going to grab you and possibly mess it up procedurally or bureaucratically? I can just hang back. You're not going anywhere. You think you're fine. And it might take me two, three, four months. But when I am locked in, I'm going to come get you. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%. They're they're longer cases for sure. And they're work it like that. So Speaker 2: So tell us let's talk a little bit about um, you know, what you do with with BSO and what you know, we'll we'll we'll tie that back into what you do as a business, right? This is your business. You have any partners? Speaker 3: No, it's my business. Speaker 2: So it's just you. Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my business. So it it just made sense to fly my own flag and kind of do my own thing and um, you know, like you said, the company's open to military, law enforcement, and then, you know, other private security professionals, but I do open it up to the civilian side of the house as well. I'm just very selective as to who I work on that side of the house and what I'm teaching. Um, just for, you know, operational security on some of the stuff that I'm teaching with military and law enforcement and whatnot. Uh, but it's a very diverse company because I just have a lot of diverse skill sets. So I'll do a lot of different things, right? I'm uh working with a lot of corporations for like uh, you know, active killer response and being able to deal with that. And then, um, you know, de-escalation programs for, you know, workplace violence. So I'll get into that side of the house too, which is a little bit outside of the realm of some of the more tactical stuff that you're seeing on the page. Speaker 2: What's the difference between I know I saw this on your website. Actually, I'm looking at it right. I'm looking at my note. Um, you're not calling an active shooter. You're calling it active killer. Speaker 3: Uh, so Speaker 2: Or what's the do you differentiate between those two things? Speaker 3: The term has changed so much throughout the years, right? At this point, companies and uh organizations are kind of referring it to as emergency action plans. Just because it it encompasses everything, right? Now, this could be all sorts of different things, right? This could be like a chemical, knife, shooter. Uh, there's many different methods of uh killing, right? So it went from active killer to active assailant, but now they're kind of encompass it in uh in emergency action plan, right? Which will kind of kind of break down a little bit of everything. And that that's the best way to go about it too is to have those protocols be a little bit more broad and diverse. Uh, and then now you could kind of zone in on particular threats, but still encompass a little bit of everything. Speaker 2: Okay. Now, any thoughts on I went home yesterday, turned on the TV. We've got a they drove a car into a synagogue in Michigan. Um, Old Dominion University. Shooter. They who was neutralized without getting shot? Does do we know what the ROTC guys did to that guy? Speaker 3: Apparently 22 dudes beat that guy to death. Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. Uh, so Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: What are your thought what are your thoughts on what you know about the situation? I know you probably know as much as me, I'm guessing or maybe you're you're tuned in a little bit more to what's actually happened in in those two incidents. Speaker 3: Still figuring out the details on those incidents. I also don't like to speak on these incidents when they're too fresh just cuz when more information comes out, uh kind of changes everything. So it's a big part of what I do for the agency. Just kind of backing up a little bit there. I'm the lead defensive tactics instructor for not just the sheriff's office, but the Southern region of Florida. So all the defensive tactics instructors when they have to get certified, they come through me and then I certify them, right? Cuz um I rewrote the defensive tactics curriculum. Speaker 2: Are you saying just within the the the sheriff's department or for anybody? Speaker 3: No, Southern region of Florida. Speaker 2: So like that means that you've got something with Florida. Like Florida says the state of Florida says you go to this guy. You have to go through this. Speaker 3: Correct. Okay. So the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, uh they they had a curriculum. When I first got into law enforcement, I saw like what they were teaching and it was just extremely outdated stuff. I was like, oh, no wonder you guys are getting your ass kicked every week. Like this thing hasn't been updated for a very long time. And I was like, why don't we update it? But there's a lot of red tape. They don't really want to take on that project. Um, I I did. Uh luckily, uh the people I were working with had the proper channels for me to be able to go through and help get that done. So I was um, you know, just one of the key players in rewriting that uh defensive tactics curriculum for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. So I wrote that new curriculum. That got approved, brought them in the 21st century as far as the fight game goes. Uh, and then became the lead defensive tactics instructor for the Southern region of Florida. So now I certify all these different DT instructors from different municipalities and uh Speaker 2: How long how long have you been doing that? How long has that been going on where they're getting when they're getting certified by somebody because it feels like a lot of the the conversations, maybe not just in Florida, but we've had conversations with law enforcement outside of South Florida or Florida as a whole. And it doesn't feel like they're like some guy that did some Taekwondo when he was younger is now teaching defensive tactics. Like how long has that been going on down here? Because it didn't it doesn't feel like a lot of these guys should be teaching or should have been teaching. Speaker 3: Correct. So that that's how it is. So I got in the game, I saw that. Um because you're have certain agencies or departments that will, you know, uh they're put someone up to be able to be a general instructor or a defensive tactics instructor for their department. They'll go, they're they're do that class and then they're certified. Um but it's just, you know, it's a two-week class, right? That's not enough by any means to be, you know, a high caliber instructor teaching other people, right? Especially when lives depend on it. Uh, but that's normally the standard. So they're try to find someone in their agency that has a little bit of experience. Most of the time it is that Taekwondo guy. And then they're just be like, hey, we're going to send you to DT instructor school. And then that's it. He comes back, he's certified and then now he's rolling out a program. Um, that's that's the problem. Uh, and that's what most agencies are are doing. So it's been a long process. First of all, to change it, I had to change the curriculum as to what was being taught. Now they have a much better curriculum. But now the hard part is, I don't have that much time with them because I certify them in the two weeks, but there's no follow-up to that program. Right? Speaker 2: That's what the problem. The continuing education is is is where it seems most departments are lacking with just their officers, not even like the instructors. You're talking instructors. Speaker 3: I'm talking instructor, yeah. Speaker 2: Okay, now that you certify that instructor after two weeks and now he's certifying a guy that's in the academy for X amount of months training a few hours a day, a week. I don't know exactly how much how much time they have, but then he's put out on the street and there's my dad was a cop that you're talking about, you know, three, four decades ago. There was no continuing ed at all. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: You only had to like get certified with your weapon once a year. You had to qualify with your weapon. Like I believe it was once a year. There was no continuing ed, no health requirements. You know, it's the, you know, my dad was in shape, but, you know, the big fat guy in the donut, like the stereotypical cop, right? That's the thing because there was no requirements for that person to stay in shape or to to, you know, do anything defensive tactical wise. So you're talking about you only had two weeks with this guy. He might have a few months with somebody, again, for only a few hours a day, but then there's no there's maybe like one weekday, eight hours with his officers. Speaker 3: Yeah, each agency's different, right? So some agencies are going to train a little bit more than others. Um, so uh, some agencies will require uh eight hours of defensive tactics annually, right? Um, some will do it every two years. Some every four years. Uh, I know some agencies that haven't done it in like eight years. And I'm like, why? And they're like, well, cuz people get injured. And I'm like, yeah, well, we're not baking cakes here. Look at what you're asking them to do on a daily basis. Yeah. We should be training them, right? Speaker 2: What would have to be done for it to actually transition to if you are a police officer, you have to train regularly, weekly, bi-weekly, monthly. Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm I'm sitting here in my mind thinking about the military. And I and I have said this before. So right? Our military, right? They're doing PT. I don't know. I wasn't in the military, but Speaker 2: Much more regular basis. Speaker 3: Yeah, right? But that's what they do until, you know, there's they need to go to war. Let's just say, right? Like they we need them to do take some action. Speaker 2: A cop is doing this every single day. Five days a week, four days a week, whatever, you know, down here in Florida, it's different than New York. You know, usually did a five-day week, right? You know, eight hours. Down here, what do they do? Like three days, 10 hours, 12 hours and then they have like three three days off. Fire department does that as well, right? You know, like you work 24-hour shift and then you're off for three, four days. Um, these guys cops are going out there every day. This is like a the potential for something to happen is every single day. And they are the least trained. Again, on the continuing ed side, they are the least trained in almost every department. Even we had the guys on from uh Gwinnett County. Um, they have a Jujitsu program, but it's not required. So, they're they're doing good and they're and they're, you know, again, we talked about like kind of breeding them out, like getting Speaker 3: And either with the perks, they offer crazy perks just to come and work out for free. Speaker 2: We were surprised when they said what they get. Speaker 3: I was like, I might join. Speaker 2: Yeah. Like they're we'll pay them to come in and and train, but it's still not a requirement. Speaker 3: They get more money if they train. Speaker 2: So, so I I I guess do we need to take more do we have to look at this like the military looks at it? Like you have to be training these guys all of the time. It needs to be a requirement. Our police officers should be on the street should be the most fit, the most well-trained. And, you know, not only like physically, but like in, you know, uh well like de-escalation, right? You know. Speaker 3: 100%. Speaker 2: That's that's not happening. We we just know that it's not happening for the most part. Speaker 3: I was just going to send social workers. We we don't really Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, right? That's what you're talking about. The the New York the New York methodology. It's crazy. But shout out to those two I mean, I know they showed the two cops that were more than two cops that that kind of uh got involved with this uh the bombing at the uh at the the the mayor's house. Speaker 3: Oh, the the attempted bombing. Speaker 2: The attempted bombing at uh at uh the the the mayor's house. I saw I saw one of the officers being highlighted like jumping a railing, but I don't I don't know if it's a bomb at all. Speaker 3: If they got Speaker 2: No, none of the bombs went off. Okay. I think they tried to use like uh just like fireworks or something. They didn't they didn't burn out. But I I asked a lot of questions in that. I did. Let's go to the military side of it first if we can. That's the first. Do we need to take more of a military like look at this from the perspective of the military and how they're doing it where we need to be training every I don't go if I go to Jujitsu two times this week, next week, I feel like I've forgotten everything. Speaker 3: 100%. Speaker 2: Right? Like if I don't train three, four times a week, maybe get to an open mat. I'm feeling really shitty. And because I have a bad back, sometimes that's what happens. I'm like, I'm only training twice. I'm like, man, I need three days before I can get back on the mat. It's the whole like it's like riding a bike. Uh, you know. Speaker 3: Not at all. It's terrible. Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get back on the bike. Yeah, but like right, you're you're your skills are diminished the longer that you stay off the mat. But then you're like, oh man, I went three days this week, four days this week. I've been training and you feel good and you're like, okay, I got it, you know, I got my mojo back. But training every week, but not training enough makes me feel like I'm in like my Jujitsu is is is shitty. Speaker 3: This just dawned on me. Would part of it be that if you can't maintain the standards for work, then you're forced into early retirement. And then all the brass that are in their 50s, 60s that are milking their DOPs to get a better, you know, pension at the end, they will no longer be able to fulfill the requirements, so they will no longer be able to hold their position and they will be forced to retire early. And that might be what could be holding it up. Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we're we're asking you a lot of questions. I'm not letting you answer. Speaker 3: Sorry. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Good thing I got a good memory. Speaker 2: But yeah. Speaker 3: So, you're right. A lot of this can be fixed if it was treated like the military. With the military, you belong to the military, right? So you you lose all like civilian rights. And then now they could order what it is that needs to be done. The fact that we're working in like a paramilitary, but a soft paramilitary organization, we still have unions. We still have protections. We still have rights. And that is what creates some of the problem, right? Like our agency, we tried to do a physical test and the people complained to the union. The union shut it down and uh that was that. Um, so there are attempts to try to fix it and there are people that are trying to fix it. Uh, but it's one of those things where unless we change it from the top down and and rebrand how that structure is looked at, we're never going to be able to fix it. And right now that's the big problem is the fact that we're not looked at as full-blown government employees. We still have these unions and this paramilitary where we kind of have rights, but not completely. But now you can't order certain things and that is what has created this ability. Speaker 2: So, talk to his point of, I don't think you have to go as far as what you said, which is, all right, the higher ups, the guy that's 50, 60, still on the job, could lose his job because he can't pass those physical requirements. I don't necessarily does it have to be for everybody? No, like you're on the street and if you have the if you're I don't I don't know exactly what you call it. Like if you're tasked with this job, whether you're at a school, a school resource officer, or you're on the beat, or you're in SWAT, okay, yeah, you have to do this. If you're a sarge or lieutenant behind the desk, I don't know how that works down here, but I remember my dad when he became a sarge, he's behind the desk. He was in uniform. He was like that guy when you walked into the precinct, it was a transit. I remember he brought me to his job once and you walk in and there's the sarge that's working the desk that day and he's up there greeting everybody and making sure that all the wheels are turning, right? And I was like, oh, this is cool, you know, like you don't necessarily does that guy need to maybe if he's older, does he need to have those same requirements as the guy that's out there on the street? Speaker 3: It's easier to do it for him. Like what our agency did is once you get to a certain rank, you're an at-will employee. So you lose all those protections and rights. So once you get that high up, you're an at-will employee. So what uh our organization did was they mandated them to meet a PT standard. And they couldn't go cry to the union. They had to do it because they're an at-will employee. So they were actually forced to do it and you can force them to do it and it it it worked. When you start getting down to like road patrol, again, this is where they're going to start to get those levels of protection. So those are the people you really want to go after, but those are the people that are the most protected. It makes it difficult. Once you get into a specialized unit, it does start to change, right? So I I was uh SWAT. Um, and um, when you move into a unit like that, you have your SWAT standards, right? You have your SWAT protocols. You have your SWAT uh annual testing and whatnot. So you're picking teammates, you're designing that school, you're making those standards and you can make them what it is that you want it to be. So you could have that higher standard and hold people accountable to it because it's a specialized unit. If you're not in a specialized unit and you're just road patrol, the people that need it the most, they're also the most protected. And that's what creates the problem because they're not getting what they need, but there's no way to really force them to do it. Speaker 2: So that's one of the the negatives of a union. Yes, they're there to protect the the policeman. And then they should be there because we know people take advantage when they can. But that union in protecting them from being taken advantage of is also diminishing, I guess, the quality of the product if they're being so protected that they're they're like, oh, no, no, no, you can't make them train for the job. That would be inhumane. Yeah, which is crazy, right? Because it's it's like one big oxymoron, right? Um, I I'm all for it. I think there should be a PT standard and and and we should be pushing that, right? I mean, we're depending on these people to save other people's lives, right? If you Is it going to take somebody like you with your experience to get into that position in order to make that happen or is is the money behind the the unions, the the attorneys, is there too much is the battle too big to actually ever make it happen? Cuz I mean you could just, you know, something as simple as I took, you know, I did the physical test to to become a cop down here. Um, jumping over the wall, uh, the the it's been a while. The you know, at Broward, I did it at Broward. Jump over the wall, run under five minutes, whatever it was, like run the mile, I think it was. Like, I mean, there's some basics that you could do. Like, can you run? Do what what is it for the to at Broward when you're if you just want to get on the job, um, like you're jumping over they still have it out there, right? Yeah, the basic agility test. Yeah, the basic agility test to even to put in an application. You got to pass this, pass the written, pass this physical to even to even apply anywhere. What what is that? Like is it a mile? Is it you have to do a mile under X amount of time, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's nothing ridiculous. Speaker 2: I mean, but there are definitely what is the time for the mile? Do you know? Speaker 3: Uh, I don't work with the academy side of the house too much anymore. So I can't say. Speaker 2: But is it like are we thinking like 13 minutes or like I I want to say 12. Speaker 3: I'll I'll have to I'll have to top my head, right? It may have been adjusted since then, but I think when I went through it was around 12. Speaker 2: Not I I know that there are there are cops on the job right now that probably couldn't even get through that mile. But that's the problem. That would be like I like literally would potentially collapse or just have to walk. Speaker 3: Every cop will tell you, he was in shape when he was in the academy. Then he comes out of the academy, he's not in shape anymore because that standard doesn't uh continue, right? Speaker 2: What about what about like training while you're on the clock, right? You take a lunch, you know, um, maybe it's a nine-hour day that day and you have one hour of physical training, a class, go to the gym. Shoot. I think I don't I don't think you I don't think you could let I don't think you could just let people just do it on their own. Like it needs to be a requirement. Like you come in, okay, you know, you're doing cardio today, you're going to lift some weights, you're going to do this, you're going to grapple. Like you need to check these boxes. I I I'm saying it and I'm going, this is never going to happen. Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be. It's what I would love to see. It's what I'm working towards. I mean, my time in law enforcement, I I just want to leave it better than I found it. And I've been able to do a lot of things, right? Like rewriting the curriculum was great. You know, being the lead guy to decide who is an instructor and who's not because my defensive tactics instructor class is not like just a, you know, a shoe in, right? Some of the ones before me, if you showed up, you did your two weeks, you passed. For me, absolutely not. If I don't feel you're going to be a good instructor, you won't pass, right? So, I'm holding a tighter standard and now I'm in a position to be able to do that. And that's great because I could start to inflict some of this change. Also with our agency, um, I've been able to kind of have a big role in at least how it's being done at our agency. But since we are like the big green machine, a lot of other people will start to follow suit. So, I still believe that it can be changed and I'm the one who's like crazy enough to believe that the impossible could now be possible. Just someone has to do it first. Speaker 2: Who would have thunk that they would people would be, you know, cops would be doing Jujitsu classes, like again in Gwinnett County, right? They get paid to do it. I I think we're still far away from every department in the US doing it, but I think we're on the right path. Speaker 3: Yeah, like right now I'm rolling an in-service uh training that is going to encompass all aspects that we've ever done, right? So it's not segmented. We're not just doing CPR, just doing defensive tactics, just doing building tactics. This is going to be a crazy two-day in-service that is going to be scenario-based and encompass every aspect that they've ever been trained on. And it's it's going to be high pressure, it's going to be high stress, it's going to be very physical. Um, a lot of the agencies terrified of it. Uh, they're we're already getting phone calls because they're worried about us beating the hell out of them. But it's part of the game. And being able to roll out a in-service training like this and just kind of shake the tree. Uh, I think this is kind of where it starts. Cuz it will expose a lot of things that we can now fix and capitalize on. And it will show people their lack of training and what it's going to do to them and also encourage them to train. Also, I got the back in from command to where if I feel someone's not fit for duty, not fit for standards because they can't complete this training, then they're immediately going to be put on administrative leave. Speaker 2: That's huge. Speaker 3: Administrative leave or put behind a desk. Speaker 2: That's not the same that's not the same thing. Leave, like leave, stay home. Stay home for like behind the desk. Speaker 3: No, no, they're put behind a desk and they're put them for remedial training until they can actually, you know, fix themselves to be Speaker 2: Is this going to have actual like combatives? Like you're going to take your coaching staff and be like, you are an argumentative drunk. You've been pulled over. You want to fight. Kind of thing. And that trainer will in effect attack your officer. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. So it's sink or swim. And Yeah, cuz someone's going to bust you in your shit one day. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. I'm I'm really excited about it. And we I I did one like this. I did one like this a while back and it like we we got in trouble for it. Apparently, everyone complained to the union, all these different injuries. It became like a a big thing and and that DT was like just like the gauntlet, man. It was still talked about to this day. But can you hit him with a good quit? Can you hit him with one of those? Yeah, I was destroying people in that. People were getting broken ribs and brain bleeds. I mean, we were going at it. But it was a good wake-up call. I thought it was great, right? A lot of people thought it was a little too much. And I could Did you lose any rounds? Oh, no, no. Yeah, that's why it was great. Yeah, well, I mean, I was tuned up, right? Because again, we they had gear on. So like all the gear scratches you up. Like my face looked like a complete mess by the end of it. They're like, don't you want to put headgear on, dude? You're all scarred up. And I was like, no, chicks dig scars, you know. So I just dealt with it, but my whole face was destroyed, um, by the end of it because I'm sparring like they're just having to do like a minute with me, but again, we got 6,000 sworn. So I'm going through every Dude, 6,000 minutes is a lot of minutes to train. Yeah, so that was a crazy. I do like 90 at a time and I'm good. But I loved it and it was great. And this is a chance for us to kind of like bring that back. We got like, you know, put on the bench for a little bit because we're like, you guys are nuts. But now I structured it in a way where there's a winnable way of doing this. If they do things right, they're not going to get destroyed. If they do things wrong, we're going to make them pay with pain. So, this jumps into like a Jujitsu conversation. Are we talking about a structure where like in the morning we're drilling like step one, step two, classic, and then we go into situationals or like an ecological kind of methodology. Yes. Now, are presumably the officer would not be informed of their constraints outside of their legal constraints. But the other person is like, you're you're leading them in. You're giving them an assignment. Correct. But I'm also giving What kind of what kind of thing are we looking at? Are you talking about like, okay, you're going to be a drunk guy. Um, your wife is divorcing you. Like you're talking about that like Like or okay, this is a this is a DV call. You are inebriated. You have a weapon. It's in your back left pocket. But the cops don't know. The cops don't know. The guy that's like, is that happening? Or like like kind of those situations being put together like that? Correct. So it it is a winnable situation, right? They have their ability to be able to de-escalate. They have all the different tools of the trade to be able to deal with it. Um, you know, there is ways of doing it with where it doesn't have to become physical. So if they do it right, they will get a win. And you have to give them winnables, right? Cuz before when we did it, it was kind of like a gauntlet. There wasn't really winnables. They just got destroyed and we were proving a point. Speaker 2: But that's that's important. I think winning is important. To get your ass handed to you and go, I tell everybody like, uh, I hate to quote my old coach, but, you know, for every level there's another level, he used to say. Right? The best guy in this class that just be you, you can beat up everybody. There's a guy that probably you lose to when you're training. There's there's that guy. And that guy has a guy. And that guy has a guy and blah blah blah, right? Every level has another level. Like I tell, you know, again, even just training with the white belts that I'm training with and they're like, man, you beat the shit out of me. Oh my God, like I'm like, just stick with it. You're going to get better. I'm go, you you see what I just did to you. That guy over there does that to me. Right? Like he's that guy to me. I know he's a multi-stripe black belt. He's been doing this 10, 20 years longer than me. So it's good to have it. Again, what I was saying before about putting myself into bad positions. Again, I'm just again, starting to realize that I've heard, you know, you always hear it. Uh but as a black belt, I'm like, okay, maybe this is the thing that I'm working on. Just put myself into really bad positions and see how I react and how I get out of it. And that's how I get my own little training in, right? You know. But um, yeah, I I think there's something to be said for getting your ass kicked. Speaker 3: 100%. Speaker 2: But again, people that are complaining about it are the people that aren't very humble, you know. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Speaker 2: I'm going to meet up today and they will. Yeah, so it's like do better, right? Like that that's kind of what I say to everybody. Just like do better, right? Um, but like I've had uh cases where I I review a lot of all the uses of force that come through the agency. I call them good, bad and indifferent and a lot of times I'll bring them in for remedial training. And uh I remember, you know, there was a particular deputy who just really got his ass handed to him, you know. And it's a wake-up call, right? But it it it was it was great. I I loved it. I thought it was awesome. Uh cuz again, it was one of those times where it was just mouth writing checks that his ass can't cash, right? So he could have easily like just de-escalated that call. He could have easily dealt with that and just, you know, uh brought that call out and been done with it. However, said something slick. Well, personally he said something slick to him. He was like, oh yeah, fuck around find out, right? Let's get out of the car and go to work. So I was like, I love that. That's awesome. Street rules. Let's see it. Right? And they're like, wait, shouldn't you be rooting for the officer? I'm like, yeah, but at the same time, like he's alive. This is good training footage, right? 100%. So I was like, yeah, look, I'm rooting for this. So the officer like like snuck like snuck a little quip in and the dude was like, you want to throw hands? 100%. And I was like, this is awesome. So he gets out, but right away, just safety net of the taser, right? So he's going to like hide behind that. But buddy knew the game, right? So he was like, oh, okay, no problem. Was super compliant, laid down, put his hands behind his back. He's like, all right, come cuff me, right? So he was super compliant cuz he knew, as long as he does that, it's not going to get tased. This guy has to put taser away, come handcuff him. As soon as he does, it's time to go hands. So that's exactly what happened. And then when he went hands, he gave deputy the business, right? He just went after him. Uh, but didn't want to kill him, right? Um, but just prove a point. I know this because after he was tuning him up, uh, he stood up, stopped hitting him and was like, come on, get up. Round two, let's go. Could have stayed on him. Could could have could have really tried to hurt him. But no, he's just proving a point. You want to talk shit? He still got a fucking case on that though. Oh, yeah. But I was like, this is awesome. This is great. So, um, everyone were you a character witness to get him a little less time just for being chill? I I know. He was really chill about it though. I was like, I love this guy. I think he's great, right? Like it's just straight street rules, right? This is like a good life lesson. Like honestly, this is a lesson that should have been handed out a lot earlier in life. Speaker 2: How hard was it to how hard was it for that officer to watch that? Speaker 3: Oh, hard. Yeah, cuz he had to relive it, right? Uh, so Speaker 2: I mean, just seeing it on my own if I was in a room just watching it by myself would be shitty cuz again, you're it it sounded like it's a bit of an ego. Speaker 3: Then your coach is like, you're going to let him pass the guard like this, bro. You'll know I have your guard up. Yeah. Well, right then to actually have somebody like looking at it with you is kind of being embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, you know, I gave him some speech. I was like, look, we've all kind of been there, right? I've not always been on the giving end of this stuff. I've been on the receiving end. It happens, right? But the thing is what do you do now, right? What can you do to get better, right? Like let's use this as a moment to get better, right? And this is where I was like emphasizing the training aspect. I was like, look, man, my door's open, dude. You want to come in, you want to get some extra training in with me or any one of my staff, we'll make it happen for you. We had an open mat going on at the time. I was like, why don't you get out here to the open mat? You know? And again, right away, all the excuses start coming in. Well, I can't on open mat. That's my my day off, you know, and um, you know, I got a newborn at home, so I got to like take care help take care of the kid. I was like, look, I I get that. Speaker 2: On the newborn level, I I can I can get on board. Speaker 3: However, this guy just came out of the hospital from being tuned up from this guy, right? And I was like, bring your kid to training, bro. I was like, you're messing. She was at your bedside during this? He's like, yeah, yeah. I was like, okay. So she saw you like this and and she it terrified her, right? I was like, okay. So if you told her, hey, babe, I have to take a couple hours of the day to go train to make sure this doesn't happen again. Can you just watch little Charlie for me? Speaker 2: Absolutely. Speaker 3: You really think she's going to have a problem with it? Speaker 2: Or you can stop being a pussy. Speaker 3: Right? So, so that's my argument to him is like, dude, I really don't think she's going to have a problem with it. I think you're making the excuse for her because she was terrified seeing you like that. She doesn't want to see that again. Let's go ahead and do better. Speaker 2: But she's tired, man. She needs a rest. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So he kept coming with that, right? But I was like, ultimately, I I'm a tough love guy. So I'm like, look, fine, you're going to make your decision. But when if this happens again one day and you don't make it out from this, right? Just understand the repercussions of that, right? Now someone else is going to be raising your kid. Someone else is going to be sleeping with your wife. Speaker 2: This could have been much worse. Speaker 3: Yeah. Right? So, like if that's not motivation, I don't know what is. But you shouldn't want anyone else raising your kid and telling him, hey, go get me a beer while you're slapping your wife on the ass, right? That's what's going to happen if you don't live through this. So, you need to train. Speaker 2: There's some dude at home going, dude, that would be great. I mean, not me dead, but the rest of it. I got this special chair in the corner. Yeah. I I get I do get it. I I understand the excuse. I don't agree with the excuse. I understand where you know, there's only so many hours in the day and um, you know, you got a kid, you got a family, you got, you know, your work life, you got your home life. You've got things that, you know, you got your honey-do list. But that should be priority. Speaker 3: 100%. Speaker 2: When you choose to be a law enforcement officer. Like now, you should know that even if the department isn't providing these things or don't require them, that it's something that you should seek out. I would not want to be the fat guy in a lineup. I would not want to be the most out of shape around other officers. Speaker 3: I feel targeted right now. Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I sucked my stomach in when I said I don't want to be the fat guy. Um, right? You know, do you want to be that guy? You want to be like, you want to be the baddest guy. You want to try to be the baddest guy in the room. You know, you want to try to be the guy that people can depend on. I don't want to be the guy that shows up on a call and they're just like, hold on, don't don't hold on. We don't need you just yet. Speaker 3: Exactly. And told him like, be selfish. Like if you don't want to do it for the public, do it for your family, right? Like be selfish. Yeah. And bare bones, you should at least want to do it for that. Speaker 2: The I don't want to die at work drive. Speaker 3: Should be quite strong. And let's say, okay, so let's also say, we all know the stress relief, release that we get from martial arts and Jujitsu. Like I could be having the worst day ever and just go into a class for an hour and a half, you know, especially after the rolls, right? When you're done, you I forget all of the problems. Everything that I thought was a big deal, it's not a big deal. I was some guy was just trying to break my arm or choke me out. Somebody was trying to simulate murder on me. Speaker 2: Friendship. Yeah. Right? And everything goes away. It's like I could go in there going, man, I'm going to have to go back. Got to work a couple hours tonight. I got to do and I go home and I'm just like, chill. I'm doing it in the morning. Yeah. And they they aren't things aren't such a big deal. So, you know, not only are you training yourself to be better the next time this happens, but you you're going to be, I think, I was a better husband. I was a better boyfriend before I got married. I was a better person. The way that I treat my employees, like all of that is different because after just like being in the world of Jujitsu and learning like, this isn't that big of a deal. This thing that I think is a big big deal is not such a big deal, right? It it it takes that away from me. I think, right? It's like a uh what's that? Etch-a-Sketch, you know, it's like you erase everything, right? Yeah. For mental health for those that don't know the Etch-a-Sketch, right? You know. Like there's so many things that have already been proven with not not just Jujitsu, though Jujitsu does get a lot of credit, but like hard physical activity, period. PTSD, running, just anything. But like it it helps with you dealing with stuff. Like uh Jujitsu, the small study was done and it showed Jujitsu replaces drugs for addicts. And it works as a functional right. Basically, but it's like a healthy addiction. Like people that drink that start smoking, like you replace it with a different addiction. Like heroin addicts get on Red Bull. You're just replace just just how it goes. But I know from myself, never having dealt with like law enforcement kind of PTSD, but just, you know, growing up in the 90s, shit's gets pretty crazy. Florida's a wild place. Let's just be very frank. But they've even showed that uh strenuous physical activity, I guess if you can put it like, turns the volume down on the voices. Yeah. You know. It like it's that uh that drive home where you you drive all the way home and you don't even realize you didn't even turn on the radio. Like cuz you're just you're just going and it's 100%. Every the vibe. Um, there there are kind of equivalent videos where a guy is like uh noise, noise, noise, noise, noise and then cuddles with his girlfriend and then it all goes away. Like that feeling. That's kind of Jujitsu. Speaker 3: Boobs do that for me too. Speaker 2: Yeah, boobs do that for me too. But right, but we know that Jujitsu is that that volume control for for a lot of us. I know for me, I feel way different. Speaker 3: Anything combative, right? And and that's what I tell people like like just get into a combative art, right? Like Jujitsu's uh uh an avenue. Uh wrestling is a great avenue. Uh, you know, boxing, Muay Thai, you know, these are all great avenues. Anything that's competitive uh combative, right? Um, and competitive. Uh, both those things are just going to help you very well, right? You got to have that fear and that danger of like, I could get hurt doing this. Like this is that serious. And when that's on the table and you push through that, the more times you do push through that, the better human being you come, right? And the more stress you could handle. And the easier life becomes. Speaker 2: So, often times when I'm watching uh police videos, like the body cams and stuff, it seems that I'd say 40% of the time the the police officer is the one that's kind of like pushing the buttons as opposed to de-escalating, they're escalating. Those are just the ones that we're seeing because those are the ones that are interesting. Speaker 3: It could be. Well, I mean, those are the ones that go viral. It's never something I'm following. It's just that pops up. Speaker 2: They're definitely way more good interactions that are happening on a daily basis than than bad. In those instances, it's it's surprises me cuz this is someone who has to deal with this regularly. It's not like it's the first stop they've done. They're like, you know, let's let's see what it's all about. Like, is it a legitimate like false confidence of having a weapon? So you're seeing a few things there, right? Part of it is like they're mouth writing checks that his ass can't cash, right? There's a little bit of fear going on, so it's like fake it till you make it and they're presenting themselves as something they're not to to hope that that's going to de-escalate the situation. But a lot of times, you know, that could backfire. Most of the time they get away with it. That's why they start doing it, right? Sometimes it's just them being jaded and uh disgruntled because this just stresses of the job, right? Like that stuff wears on you. Speaker 3: As soon as your shift starts, you're like, I'm tired of this. Speaker 2: You just experience like life though, right? We're we're talking about the like just in general life, right? Go into a bar or a coffee shop or anything and that loud guy in the corner. We all know that that loud guy is probably the guy that doesn't know how to take care of himself, right? I know that I was that loud guy before I started training Jujitsu. I was yeah, I was a, you know, I thought I could fight. I had fights. I've won a bunch. And then I got on the mat and I'm like, that skinny guy can beat the shit out of me. You know, I did Muay Thai at my first school. I did Jujitsu. Like once you realize that, you know, just because he may not look in shape or he's just really long and skinny and no, that's the guy that you got to watch out for and then you kind of like, you know, it humbles you. Jujitsu humbled me absolutely. And now I'm like, if there's shit going on over there, unless it's somebody that I know or that, you know, okay, somebody's going to get a woman's going to get hurt. Okay, I might get involved. But if there are people arguing over there, I'm over here, man. I'm I'm going this way. I'm I'm I don't I don't want to get involved with that. Cuz what's going to happen? That guy knew Jujitsu and he hurt this guy and If I have to help somebody, I'm there to help and I'll protect and, you know, if my friends, my family, right? I'm going to be there for them. But yeah, man, I used to be the loud mouth and getting, you know, hey, let's get into that guy over there. We had a one of the tenants in my building was walking his dog and a guy came down the middle of the two buildings. It's a very small lane between the buildings. Going really fast. It's supposed to be like 15 miles an hour. He comes speeding down, parks the car, gets out. And the guy walking the dog, he's a tenant. I, you know, very nice guy, out of shape. And tells the guy, hey, why don't you slow down? The guy they get into a verbal altercation. The guy driving the car pulled a knife on him and started chasing him. This is the funny part. His son trains Jujitsu at my school, right across. Little little boy. He called me to now, I come down to walk my dog. All the cops are there. The incident had just happened. He sees me and he calls me on the phone from where he is talking to the cops and they just got him waiting around and he's telling me the story. And he's like, yeah, man, my Jujitsu skills almost came out. Speaker 3: Hmm. Speaker 2: What? What Jujitsu skills? You bring your son to Jujitsu and watch. You have no Jujitsu skills. At the end of that phone call, I said, listen, I hope that I see you on the on the mat for the adults class. I hope you stick around after you I told him that. He thought he had Jujitsu skills for actually reminds me the first time I got on the mat. My coach was like, hey, what do you know? What do you do? You know, and I'm like, well, I wrestled a little in high school and I'm like, I'm a huge UFC fan. And he just smiled and then just tied me into a pretzel for like a half hour. And I was just like, I I loved it. I was in love. I was the guy like love it or hate it. I loved it immediately. But this guy thought like, no, next time shut your mouth. You don't know how to take care of yourself. I want to seeing him and having a conversation with him and I walk my dog at night down in Coral Springs by the by the city hall. I have my weapon with me every night. I I had no I feel like I can't stop a bullet. This guy gets, you know, gets we get into an altercation. I could get stabbed. I'm carrying my I'm I'm 12 years training Jujitsu. You have zero years training Jujitsu. And I carry my weapon. I told him, I said, I don't know why you're out here without a weapon. You need to you're walking your dog. You don't know who's going to come through here. We got a guy that's after a couple of different guys that sleep at the city hall on the benches at night. It's a very nice area in Coral Springs. There are two guys homeless guys that that sleep on the benches in the in the city hall park. Like you don't you're going to you're out here with nothing. I go, I don't let my wife. I don't let my daughter walk. I go, if you're going to walk the dog, you go downstairs. There's a dog run attached to the building. Do not go further than that. Don't leave this building. So, you think like again, it's that, you know, false you're watching Jujitsu and you think that you're going to be able to protect yourself. Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously. Speaker 2: My Jujitsu skills almost came out. I was just like, you see it a lot. I haven't seen you in an adult class yet. I haven't seen you in any of the classes. He knows nothing about Jujitsu and he's out of shape on top of it. Sweet guys, sweet guy. We're now talking like civilian, right? You train civilians as well. You said you're picky, but you train them. So, I've been a licensed gun owner, able to carry for over a decade. And I've never carried because we didn't have the avenues to train properly. I know how to use a gun. I can hit a stagnant target. I can clear all that. But I never had training on concealed carry, concealed draw, gun retention, you know, gun retention, uh, site or target acquisition from those positions. I I'm blessed. I've been lucky enough to start training in the last three, four weeks. But I'm realizing like, oh, I'm doing like one session a week and I'm gleaning great information. And even though I've attempted concealed draws on my own at home, you know, dry fire drills and stuff, like getting walked through, even just the step-by-step is such a dramatic difference. Like where I'm like, I'll be quick. I'm pretty. I suck. I am slow. I can't get a good grip. So like, but even even for these things to come about. I do enough training. I get to the point where I'm comfortable carrying my weapon. What do I need to know as a civilian? A guy walking his dog runs into some asshole or a dude at the mall or some other shit starts popping off like it is in New York. Like, as a civilian, what do I need to know before I draw my weapon? Before I I decide, well, firstly, if you can get the fuck out, obviously get the fuck out. Speaker 3: I think that's another three-hour podcast, right? The the answer to that is so long, but Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: And it's in most simple terms in Florida, right? Um, if you and or someone around you is in imminent danger, which is right now, right now, of great bodily harm and or death, you can use as much force necessary to stop the threat. That force has to pass objective reasonableness test, right? Speaker 2: Like actually like distance as well, right? If he's 50 feet away, you can't say that you were in imminent danger. You're like, he's got a knife and he's over there. Speaker 3: Oh, but they shoot him from 50 feet away. No good. Speaker 2: Right? He's got a knife. Speaker 3: But they said 25 feet, a guy with a knife. You said something on the last podcast about like 20 feet or six feet. If you are undrawn, the guy with the knife at 25 feet is more likely to be successful than you. So this is this is funny. Like I said, I'm a big knife guy. My lineage in uh knife goes as far back as Jujitsu, right? So there's there for like I said, make sure it's the worst guy in the room at whatever it is I was doing. So that uh originally started out at 21-foot rule and they've keep increasing it, right? Since then. Uh that was highlighted by uh Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto was a first generation student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. I was a first generation student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. So that tip of the spear as far as that goes. What that whole 21-foot rule was trying to say was your average person takes about two seconds for a draw stroke and get shot on target. That 21-foot now 24, 27, 28 is all gone up too, is saying that if you stay on the axe, the person could close that gap with a knife before you can get off the required number of rounds to put down a human body, which is average five or six well-placed rounds to the upper torso. So, that's what that rule is showing. However, I don't need uh 21 feet in order to be able to deal with that knife, gun versus knife, right? Um, instructor Zero showed that with Doug Marcaida. Doug Marcaida is another first generation student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje, right? So we all came up under that same lineage. Um, you're seeing in in my videos, I've done it um in about three, four feet, right? In order to you're starting in three or four feet. Correct. To and then still been able to get my gun out and shoot. The difference is, I work in a circular fashion, right? So I have to redirect that knife, step laterally. Now I have time and space to get that gun out and start pumping shots. What the 21-foot rule saying is you cannot just draw and shoot and stay on the X or backpedal in a linear line. But as soon as you side step, it shuts down that 21-foot rule. You can now do it at, you know, three feet. You don't need 21. The key is you have to work in a circular lateral uh line, not a linear line. And that's really what that rule was showing. But it got lost in translation over the years. And then now people just think you need that amount of space or that amount of Speaker 2: All right, I think it's a 21 feet I can shoot now. We don't we don't want that, right? That I mean that's that's the misconception of the rule like, oh, well, he's too far. I can't shoot or don't draw. Okay, he's he's passed a certain distance. I need to draw. Well, that rule was just showing that you can't draw and shoot and stop the person in time with the knife. Oh, I see what you mean. That was just like, you're not going to be able to do this. Correct. That's what they were trying to highlight. And people translated into like, oh, once he hits 21 feet, then I can shoot him. Yeah, exactly. So, or that's good today. That's a complete misconception. Or is that now has it become a rule? So it's kind of like two different things. You're talking legalities of what distance is, you know, okay to shoot. And then also what is capable, right? Uh what they were showing was capability, saying that you can't draw your gun and shoot and stay on the X with that amount of space before getting knifed up. So knife beats gun. Well, if I understand knife and knife tapping principles and Filipino martial arts and whatnot, I could do it in three feet, not 21 and still make my gun work because I understand capabilities of knife and I understand how to work this appropriately. So that's like that missing part of that rule. The other part that you're talking about is like legalities. Uh if someone is that far away, is that threat imminent? Am I in life or death, uh great bodily harm and or uh deadly force right now at that distance. That has to be able to pass the objective reasonableness test. Okay. I get it. You understand that? You got that? Yeah. Like so it's like two separate conversations that we merged. Let me let me answer your question. I don't want to interrupt cuz we're going to have to we're going to have to start the wrap. Um, do you do I understand that you're who you're training. Do you do just like individual, not individual, but group seminars for just maybe an organization that wants to work with you and and get people trained. For example, I don't know if you know who seminar stack is. No. Seminar stack is uh is run by a woman whose husband got hit from behind in his cruiser at like 70 plus miles per hour and he got really jammed up and he's good now. They got into Jujitsu. They found Jujitsu as part of his therapy. Uh so they got into Jujitsu, but then they were like, this is amazing. We need to have more cops who get involved and basically they're a for-profit organization, but what they do is they run seminars and then they might donate some of that money to nonprofits. So they did it with Academy. They also manage the charity. Yeah. No, no, no. She does. Oh, she does. Oh, yeah, she does. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Um, she works for, yeah. Um, we'll talk. Okay. Sorry. Um, so, so yes, so yeah, so the woman uh that runs the seminar stack is involved with adopt cop. But what they do is they like they were even down here. They'll run seminars. They did a gun retention seminar, uh I think his name is Mike Bland. Do you know who Mike Bland is? No. Okay. So he did a gun retention uh seminar down at the Homestead, um, what's it shooting range? Yeah, shooting range. Yeah, training center where they would did the Patriot games a couple weeks ago. Uh like maybe about a month ago. So I went down there and I hung out with them. But what they do is they bring in people to do seminars and it's not just they found it because of Jujitsu, but now they'll do like again, gun retention, grappling, you know, um, uh to have different cops come in uh Jason Repsh out in uh in uh uh the owner, one of the owners of uh Henzo Gracie Austin, uh comes out. I just uh again ran into him in Austin. Um, they do these different seminars. I don't do those kind of seminars. Like if they had a group of like, hey, we got we've got the officers. We need you to come out and teach a seminar. Is that something that you would do? Yeah, yeah, 100%. I want to put I'm asking cuz I'll put you I'll just put you I'll put you guys together. I'll let them know, you know, it happens. I'm not the first time. Uh I put them together with some other people. I'm like, I've I've, you know, interviewed somebody and I'm like, I think you really want to talk to this guy. You know, add some value. Especially with the knife stuff. I mean, I think that that's a very misunderstood weapon and misunderstood uh in the community. There's not a lot of people that know how to do it well. There's a lot of bad information out there. And uh that's something that I would love to clean up. That's one of my bigger projects right now. I'm actually designing a knife. It should be launched in the next three months. Oh, yeah. Uh it's something I've been working on for years. Just it's been my life's work. Um, but once that gets out there, I I'm really going to start kind of going after that knife community just because I don't like a lot of the stuff that I'm seeing out there with it right now. How long have you been on BSO? How many years? Nine years now? Nine years? Okay. What you any other law enforcement department before that? No, no, I came into law enforcement late, man. I uh again, I grew up uh, you know, How old are you? Uh 38. Yeah. So I I came in uh super late. Um, I I started out with the whole, you know, fight career. Then from there, I worked with a private military contracting company in teaching capacity and then I worked operationally. Um, it was kind of two and from South America. Uh, then from there, I opened up my company Direct Action Training and started to kind of teaching law enforcement, military, things like that. Most of the guys I was training were law enforcement. They're like, dude, your resume stacked. Why don't you like come over here and do this? I was like, sure, I'll give it a try. Got picked up by the sheriff's office pretty late in the game and then quickly rose through the ranks there and and and kind of started my law enforcement career. But uh I I I always tell people I've lived like three separate lives, right? Between like the fight life and then like the contracting military contracting life and then now law enforcement, you know. There's on BSO uh specifically, there's no do they have like no age requirement? Cuz I know somebody that's like got on recently, trained with him at my last school. I forget his name, but you know, acquaintances. Um, it's like he looked like he was like in his 30s and he's like, no, I'm 50. I'm like, you just got on. He's like, yeah. I'm like, isn't there an age requirement? Is there no There is, but I think it's in the 60s. So yeah. So you're you're Can I go right to a desk job? No. No, you got to go through all the hoops. Everybody has to go through the hoops. Uh it's just the way that it is, you know. But I I like I was able to accelerate pretty quickly because of my background training and experience. So I was able to get um, you know, the chance to go to SWAT school very very soon, get on the SWAT team very soon. They scooped me up in training uh relatively quickly. Uh and then just been able to kind of, you know, move into that like subject matter expert role for the agency. But uh, you know, I still had to go through all the hoops, but it was definitely more accelerated for me than most. Um, but uh, you know, they saw the potential for me and I thought I was going to hit a lot more red tape, but I actually didn't. They've been really good to me. You know. So, we're going to have to wrap. Go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.com, Instagram. Yeah, so Instagram's easy, just @directactiontraining. Uh you could go ahead and find me there. Um for the website, it's directactiontrainingusa.com. That will also USA or USA? USA. Is it USA now? Is it .USA? No, uh .com. So directactiontrainingusa.com. Oh, I think I thought you Did you say .USA? I'm messing with him every time. I can see that. Yeah. I I heard .us. Yeah, you stopped right there. I thought .us. I was like, wait a minute. What? Yeah, so no, it's directactiontrainingusa.com. Okay, my bad. Yeah. So we'll keep that traditional. 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Um, I have no, I'm not going to up to Pennsylvania in April. But because of what's well, there's an April event that I can't go to cuz I'm going away with uh with the wife. And then, um, there is the Abu Dhabi. I was supposed to go to Abu Dhabi, but we're at war. Yeah. We don't know what's going to happen there. Oh, you're going to go to actual Abu Dhabi. We were going to Abu Dhabi for to meet with the WKU during their worlds. Um, their annual world event. Um, skip it. It's Yeah, well, they're moving the venue. They're literally going to move to another country. They're in Germany, so they they're moving to another country. So I don't know if the the dates are also going to change, but that one was also during the August event. And then my daughter's also do around that time. So it's kind of like kind of kind of crazy. So, um, I show there there is a seminar stack event around that time. That that's that one's up in PA as well. So I I've gone up there and I've met with them down here. So they're really cool people. They're just trying to give back and and do something cool. But I think it would be a, you know, um, you know, you get on their list of, you know, potential, you know, seminar instructors and it's just, you know, a good contact to have. They hey, you want to do this? Now, this is literally like seminar stacks. They'll up in PA. They'll do a whole bunch of different seminars over a few days. So it's just like this seminar's going on. Maybe this other seminar's also going on or they're back to back. So Excellent. Um, uh of a weekend. They also, um, I believe they have partnered, they've been tagging them. So I know that they were working on it with subversive. Okay. There's a the grappling organization subversive. I think they're actually going to be working with subversive. If you follow them, follow @seminarstack. Um, they're actually tagging them and they're like, something cool is coming. And I know that they were working on doing something with them where subversive would run the tournament or put on an event. Like, right? They have law enforcement guys doing in a tournament. That'll be excellent. So I think somehow either subversive is going to be putting on something or being like do like a kind of tournament, you know, bracketed, you know, uh fight card essentially, but with law enforcement and first responders. And they do all first responders. It's not just law enforcement. It's first responders, military, things like that. Uh it's just, you know, hey, uh health, wellness, Jujitsu for these people that could, you know, that could we all know benefit from it. Yes. So again, great it's a really good connection. Believe me. I'm I I love those guys. Uh so, uh we'll do that. Get Ben, you want to Oh, me? Do your outro? Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, they them all. If you are on social media, and I know you are unless you're too young and hip, cuz that's what I'm finding out with the kids today. They're not on Instagram. But if you are, check me out MMA Coach Ben on Instagram. I've been on a bit of a lull posting, but I'm back. You're on a lull? That's a that's your lull? A lull. Yeah. I've posted like one a week for the last like three months. Yeah, that's a lull. You've been keeping me active with the with the with the collabs. But check me out there. And of course, get your fight tape. At fighttape.us. I got a mug for you. Oh, perfect. This is for you. Wow, thank you. My go-to coffee mug. It's a great mug. I have I have a t-shirt. I'm going to say do you wear I have a large. Do you wear large or medium? Yeah, large. Large. Good. All right. I got this shirt for you. Have has anyone ever told you how much you look like John Silva? No, I get Jason Statham a lot. John Silva who is The guy who barks from the fighting nerds. I got you an Academy Safe t-shirt. It is a large. I love what you're doing. Throw it throw it on uh on the on high if it's too big. Seriously though. Appreciate it, man. Super close. Yeah. I would that could be you. Super close. Oh, wow. Okay. Most people don't go, oh, wow, they go, yeah, I don't look like that guy. Yeah. I see it. But I get Jason Statham a lot. Me too. Or I get Woody Harrelson. I get Woody Harrelson. You look like you ate Jason Statham. I'm just kidding. Yeah, yeah. I'm Jason Statham if he wasn't victim weight. All right, listen, we definitely got to go. I know there's somebody else got a podcast starting. Uh check us out at Jujitsu Dummies for all the ways to watch this and support. Thank you for watching and listening everybody. Peace. Love Jujitsu.