#69 - We Are Deep In The Heat Of The European Championship

Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. This is super huge big guy Reed Connell. And then this is Joey Gills right there. We said to reshoot the intro cuz Reed didn't like that I called him. That's not why we had to reshoot the intro. That's not why. Oh, so my bad. He's kicking over equipment. This guy just freaking threw down half of our equipment cuz I called him Little Reed in that last intro. So my bad. Super big ginormous big boy. Oh my god, it's Godzilla Reed. Oh, everybody run. You know. That when we went to Japan. That's better. That's better. Yeah, when we went to Japan, Reed was just going around just asking Japanese people if he kind of looked like Godzilla. I was like, dude, I don't I think that's offensive, dude. And they all said yes. I was like, I don't think you're allowed to say that. They all loved it. It was super messed up. I'm just kidding, he didn't do that. 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Come on now. Can't get into that too much, but um, no, we're going to talk about uh Euros. Euros is going on right now and then Polaris is coming up. So we're going to dive a little deeper into previewing Polaris, all the teams, what's going to be going down there. But I guess first we can talk about Euros. What day are we on now of Euros? Like five, six. Yeah, six, maybe, I think six. Yeah, started last Thursday. It's crazy we're like so deep into Euros already and this is the first day of adult competition. Like the adult white belts just went today. Yeah, yeah. It's just been an epic uh tournament of of masters competition. Masters. Bunch of old farts out there, huh? Yeah, yeah, but you got to love it. Everybody's throwing down. You know, it's the master side of the sports seems like it it's exploding too and more and more. You got Masters Worlds gets bigger and bigger every year, so. 100%. As as a masters guy. Yeah, yeah. 100%, yeah, the masters divisions, uh this is the biggest European championships of all time and a big reason for that is the masters coming out in force, uh laying it out all on the line, uh testing their skills, putting themselves out there. It's awesome to see that. Awesome to see more and more people getting involved. Obviously, you know, when we talk about jiu-jitsu, we usually end up talking about the professionals, the people who are operating at the highest levels, but there's a lot of people and a lot of levels under that that are helping to uh push and grow the sport, uh that maybe are not on the marquee, but it is uh important to have so many people involved in these big giant events like the European Championships. It's awesome to see. And IBJJF's got the uh San Jose Open going last weekend as well. So they they got tons of tournaments. Yeah, man. Posting an insane amount of stuff right now on their Instagram. It's kind of nuts seeing them like how much they're covering Euros, but also how much they're covering the San Jose Open all at once. Um Was it was it uh Joao Meao there who got the uh At the European Championships. At the European Championships, got the Masters One gold medal. Yep, Masters One Rooster. That's crazy, man. It's cuz like I remember watching, you know, brown belt uh Paulo and Joao Meao like fighting Keenan and stuff like that. Like on like on the come up and everything like that, you know. When was that? Like 2013? Yeah, 2013, 2014, somewhere around there. Like um and I just remember like them being like the the new like especially the Meao brothers. Like they really embodied like the new generation of grappling, the Berimboloers, you know, like the guys who were doing these really technical jiu-jitsu and like Keenan as well, obviously. And they were ushering in this new wave of technical, like really um, you know, sport-specific. That was kind of like a way from maybe like martial arts or MMA or or, you know, combat, but it was like super Was this in like the heat of like Keenan saying Berimbolos weren't real? Um, no, that was after, to be honest, you know, so. I don't know if the Meaos were just trying to bolo him and it wasn't working or That that did have something to do with it, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it probably spawned from that for sure. Yeah, but um, yeah, no, Keenan kind of was like the uh was like one of the one guys who could really kind of consistently beat the Meaos, right? Or was it the other way around? No, yeah, he would he would be the guy to consistently beat. Yeah, cuz the Meaos were just kind of like dominating really everybody and everything at that time, but um, you know, you had Keenan who was just like kind of holding it down and smashing them still, so that was pretty sick. That's pretty crazy to think about. Just what was that? 13 years ago? Yeah, yeah. And so it just it's just crazy to see that now now, you know, those got the Meao brothers have graduated to to the Masters ranks and you know, you don't hear about them as as much anymore. Obviously, I think they still have such a uh a kind of a influence on the sport of jiu-jitsu just in general, I think, the Meao brothers. They they deserve to anyway. So, but it's just wild to me that they're out there winning gold medals in the Masters divisions now and and and we've seen them kind of kind of come full circle. Especially because those are guys who uh, you know, everybody always talked about how their style didn't seem like it would last and these guys were just burning out their bodies and they're not going to be able to walk by the time they're 30. Well, you know, one of them's still at least competing all the time in the he's one of the most active masters guys that I see going. Uh and he's still doing great. So it is it's still just great to see these guys, man, who've just given their entire lives and their whole body and their everything to jiu-jitsu are still able to enjoy it and be a part of it at that level. Meaos are are built different. I think any other person they they wouldn't be walking by by by 30, but Meaos are are built different, so. They're still they're still out there doing it. Yeah, I don't think they have like any ligaments or anything left in their like they'll post some stuff sometimes of just their like fingers or their ankle or like some weird mutilated part of their body that just like rotates where it shouldn't and it's like, how are you guys just living life? Like what's going on right now? But, you know, it's it's it gives you hope too cuz it makes you realize like maybe you don't need ligaments in your knee to just go about life. So, I don't know. Makes you think. Yeah. And then the other the other guy who uh who over the weekend um put on a show there was uh Wellington Dias. Speaking of a show, we got a great show going on this TV right behind us. We got this sick Polish show going on. We have a Polish movie playing. Oh, Megaton uh tearing it up out there, huh? Yeah, yeah. Wellington, better known as as Megaton, you know, we uh we got to hang out with him last year during the Road to Worlds and everything. Absolute maniac. Yeah, just an absolute maniac and uh how old is he now? Does he ask you? 58. Yeah, 58. He's 58. Wow. And uh still out there just just throwing down no matter what the tournament is and and cement people had three submissions, right? Three for three, three submissions. So, shout out to to Megaton, you know, another guy who's who's still just carrying that fire. Dude, like I feel like the average American 58-year-old, I know Megaton's Brazilian, but like let's just use Americans as an example. The average American 58-year-old like might struggle to like bend down and tie their shoes, to be honest. Like and this guy's going out there and just like hitting sick jiu-jitsu moves. All these people just like literally just the fact that Megaton still has the mobility to like move and put yourself into positions and stand up off the ground, like that's crazy to think about, you know? I know it's like not crazy when you think about Megaton, but when you think about just like an average person who's never done jiu-jitsu or anything like that, like that's kind of insane that he's like able to move that way. And it really is, I feel like a great case for like, you know, they say if you like if you are always moving, you never stop moving, then you don't lose it. But like if you kind of stop, that's whenever you lose like mobility and all that. It's like, dude, if you just train jiu-jitsu for your whole life, you're telling me I'm going to be 60 and still able to like move in that way, like that's pretty sick. Like like that's a good case for like never stopping training, you know? Even if you don't go out there and compete all the time, which I don't know how he does that. That's absolutely insane. You think in 30 years you'll be competing? You'll be competing or you'll be training? I think yeah, I'll be training in 30 years for sure. If I'm not dead, I've I have always said I got 35 good ones in me, good years, and then after that like I'm going to take it year by year. I'm just saying. But I'm not I'm not happy about it, but I just kind of always had that, you know, that feeling. That feeling. So. Jesus, 35 good years in jiu-jitsu or 35 good years total? Total, but you know. I'm thinking now about my mom watching this and I'm like, dude, she's going to be really mad that I said that and she's going to be like, what's going on? She's going to like message me. I'm joking, mom. It's all a joke. This podcast kind of, you know, really reveals the Oh, well, a guy can't admit something about himself on here, dude. Okay, my bad. Let's rewind it. Now you want to now you want to. And everyone's favorite podcast segment is everything all right, Trey? Is everything all right, Trey? For now, I'm only 28. That's at least seven years. You got plenty of time. But check in with you guys in seven years. But yeah, in 30 years, for sure, I hope I'm training. What about you? Cuz you you'll be like 85 or something. Come on, dude. Come on, dude. I'm freaking Bazinga them, dude. Freaking Shout out Big Bang Theory. Bazinga, dude. We're we're this is a sitcom podcast now. Got your ass. I'm just kidding, but in 30 years, you think you'll be training? Um, but yeah, hopefully, hopefully, for sure. Hopefully, I'm I'm training jiu-jitsu for life. That's the goal for sure, right? I think it helps all aspects of of life. So, hopefully, you keep can keep it going for as long as possible. Hopefully, by Like, we got some old farts that train with us, but what? But, uh, who's who's that one old fart? I always see him at like on Fridays usually. I think he's like the oldest guy we train with. He's a black belt or? Yeah. I would prefer not to acknowledge anyone after being framed in this way to where then now they think that's how I think about uh anything like that. What? The term old fart? Yeah. No, that's a that's a good thing. Yeah, it's endearing. It's very endearing. Yeah, it's a good term. Some young whippersnapper doesn't get to be called an old fart, you know, you got to earn the rights to that. An OF. The original OF. That that was almost what they went with but they went with Masters divisions instead to IBJJF. Yeah. But that was also on the table for uh uh consideration at one point. Yeah. Well, we got this one OG in our gym. I can't think I don't know his name, but he's always like down to roll, but he's like always like like he tells you. Real talking guy? Yeah. Yeah. Real real talkative Teddy. I know exactly who you're talking about. That that might be the oldest guy. Real grateful, real grateful. Always real grateful. Okay. Yeah. Down to move a little bit, you know. But he's kind he might be the oldest guy I know that I actively train with. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. And I feel like he's probably like what, like 60 or 70? Yeah, something like that. 60s. So, that's pretty cool. He's doing it. Jiu-jitsu for everybody. Like I've always said. Jiu-jitsu for everybody. You know. Yeah. But A lot of a lot of old guys, you know, old guys making headlines these days, you know? You got Megaton going out there submitting everybody. You got Lovato making his uh college wrestling debut. We've kind of been on a heater for for the the OGs, the veterans of the game. Step up, young guys. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What the heck are these young kids out there doing making TikToks? Come on. What happened to the concept of grinding in silence? You know what I mean? And just like blowing up like that. You tell them, bro. Tell them. Yeah. But Just got to let these young bloods know. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. What else should we talk about from Euros? Well, I think that's, you know, obviously a lot of other matches. Big too. Going on, but. Yeah. Was there another like notable? A lot of a lot of uh good stuff has been going on. Jonas and Drage won Masters One Light Feather. He was in the World Finals just a few years ago. It's cool to see him up there. Uh Julian Maieli took silver. I saw Michelle Nicolini took silver. That was crazy. Uh Sarah Bibiano Fernandez. Bibiano Fernandez went all submissions throughout the tournament. Uh Six Blades Professor Sarah Stock, uh she won uh uh a gold medal. Uh so it's been a lot of a lot of super solid performances. Rafael Formiga, who I feel we see at all these big tournaments. He's always taking home double gold. Pretty sure he took uh gold silver this time, but always still super super uh impressive for him to be able to do that. Rafael Formiga, I feel like is one of the top guys who I see all the time at opens and different things competing masters, who's got to be like top of the list of like you show up to do the Austin Open and then you see Formiga and you're like, wait, is Formiga in my bracket? This is bullshit. This is not fair. This is not fair. What are we doing here? There's a there's a few guys like that I feel like now. I guess because like, you know, generation like it happens so fast in jiu-jitsu like the Meaos and all that where there's like a lot of dudes in the Masters division now where I'm like, man, you're like really, really good and like still pretty young. Like you could be like going out and making a run at adult uh Euros and all that. But these dudes are opting for Masters and those Masters divisions are getting tough. Feel bad for you guys. I do think Formiga is uh uh don't feel bad for me. Uh I do think Formiga is one of those guys who like, yeah, could be winning matches at adult black belt right now, no problem. Uh, you know, obviously there's always super tough guys in every division. Uh uh and, you know, Masters are there for a reason, but I do feel like he's a guy who skill and grit and all those things combined would be able to compete with a lot of modern champions and a lot of guys who are modernly very uh top of the pack. Yeah, you got to put some respect on people winning Masters Worlds, man. Masters Worlds is a tough tournament to win, no matter the belt, no matter the the division, to pretty pretty much, to be honest. Like that that that is a hard uh tournament to win and Formiga was like done it like eight times or something crazy like that. 12, probably. I saw somebody posted Megaton was a 26-time European champion. Incredible. I don't know if that's true. I haven't vetted that. Unbelievable if it's true. Yeah. I mean, when when we He's probably won a couple absolute. Yeah, there's got to be a couple open classes in there. Yeah. But like has he done every single one since like 1990 or something? Probably. Yeah. I guess I guess he wouldn't need to do every single one, but close to it. When I mean, whenever he we were at his gym talking to him and stuff, he would throw out some crazy stats like that. Yeah. And he talked a lot about Euros, I feel like, too, cuz that is one that he goes to a lot and everything like that. So, and he does get to see kind of a lot of different different competitors and stuff like that. So, I feel like he liked Euros. Do you think there's any dudes Masters Seven just going out there and just like huge judo throwing each other? I was thinking about that. I I feel like there was a Megaton clip from a couple of years ago, maybe it was Masters Six, uh where like him and another guy, yeah, just like both absolutely yeeted each other. Uh and they like both been on the Brazilian national team like at one point. Uh yeah, and they both had like one super good throw in them. And after that it was a lot of like, okay. I was going to say like at a certain point like it's kind of like, you know, juveniles aren't allowed all the same moves as like adult and stuff. Like at a certain point should we take some things back away cuz like like I don't know. That's like a scary thought to think of like Megaton going out there and just like huge hip tossing another 58-year-old and it's just like, oh, okay. All right. Is this guy all right? Like what's going on here? You think after Masters Eight they have to start on their knees? Is there I think Masters Seven is. Yeah, that actually is a rule. At Masters Eight, you're not allowed to yeah, you got to start in closed guard. Yeah. Honestly, yeah. On your knees, dude. Imagine a competition where both guys have to start on their knees. Well, it's like, yeah, eventually they're going to have to start getting Masters Eight, Nine, Ten, I feel like. I guess, yeah. I mean, at some point. Well, Megaton says he's petitioning for that as well. If you guys haven't listened to the interview Reed did with Megaton, I think it's on our podcast feed and everything if you're listening through there. Go back and listen to that. It's absolute mayhem. Like he says some things in that that I was dying laughing at and also I was like, man, this might all come crashing down. It's an incredible interview. You were crying, you were laughing. It's also just so funny. I still think it's hilarious to think about like Megaton and then just think about how like that's McKenzie Dern's dad. Like I don't know why, but that's a really funny thought to me as well. I I like to think about like the four or five Masters Seven, 58-year-old black belt dudes who are just like have a picture of him on their wall. Yeah, who are just grinding to beat Megaton. Like for the like the last two years have just been doing like everything impossible knowing that they're going to meet Megaton in the quarterfinals of Euros or meet him at Masters Worlds, you know, and like they're just getting like like they're inching closer and closer, you know, but like It's like top of their goals for 2026 list and it has been for the last 20 years. I like to think about that. That's They this guy's had I respect those guys too. Megaton has his like beat Megaton number one goal for the year from 2001 all the way through 2026. But dedication. Yeah, let's let's uh just quickly go over like what divisions are still coming up, what everyone can expect for like the rest of the week. So, yeah, as of right now, this is Monday, January 19th. I'm pretty sure it's kind of everything's wrapped up for today. Um, but tomorrow, Tuesday, we're going to see the adult and female blue belt divisions. I don't think it's all of the uh divisions for the males. It might be all of the divisions for the females. But it's going to be all adult blue belts tomorrow on Tuesday. And then Wednesday, we're going to see the rest of the male blue belts, some of the purple belts, and then female adult purple belts. So, we're getting into like the colored belts now. And then uh Thursday, we got some juveniles. So, you guys know who I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be watching JP Tran. I'm going to watch every single match of his this year. That's my big goal. This guy wants to beat Megaton, I want to watch JP Tran. So, you know, just different different grades. We're all grinding for different reasons. Uh, but yeah, juvenile blue and then adult uh male purple and brown are going as well as female brown. And then Friday, we're going to get into the black belts. So, we're going to have more juvenile divisions uh white through purple juvenile and then adult male and female black belt. And then Saturday, there's a bunch of uh other stuff like or not a bunch, but there's juvenile one and two still. But then the main thing is going to be we're going to see like the semifinals and the finals for the black belt division. So, a lot of good jiu-jitsu to be had. Is there anything going, you know, deeper into this week that you guys are looking forward to at the European Championship? Anything specific like that you're kind of excited about? I'm definitely excited to see who continues to open uh who enters into these open uh classes. I'm excited to see on the men's side, do we get Eric versus Roosevelt? I think that's one of the biggest matches that we could get at the tournament. One's a super heavy, one's an ultra heavy. I'm also really excited to see if Gabby Pasani continues her run. We obviously saw Nogi Worlds, felt like uh she took some real damage on that heel hook. This is our first opportunity to see her in a major tournament since. She did do the Rio Open, I think it was, and and took double gold there, as is customary. Uh so I'm excited to uh see that. And also, man, it's just awesome to see the start of the IBJJF year when so many people hit the new belt level and you you start to see who who are going to be the real guys for this season, who are going to be some of those standout color belts. I can't wait. Euros is one of my favorite tournaments of the year. Nice. What about you? You just asking what what I'm looking forward to? Yeah, biggest storyline you're following. Yeah, I mean, you know, you got you got to be following Sarah Galvao, I think, you know, she's one of the definitely one of the most interesting people in the Gi right now. Tainan, definitely one of the most interesting people in the Gi. But honestly, I I feel like I'm kind of uh trying to refocus on like the team race, to be honest, too. Just because I feel like like the teams right now kind of have have never been closer, you know, for for such a long time, you had Alliance obviously kind of like dominating things and they still do to a certain extent, you know, but um Atos obviously has has just grown so much over the last, you know, five years and they've claimed a lot of team titles over the years in some of these major tournaments and stuff. Uh AOJ, of course, is kind of bigger than ever and and their roster that they're sending out this year, it looks like they have guys from, you know, rooster to to ultra heavy and they've got purple belts, they've got brown belts. Um, you know, even even teams just like GF Team and and and Gracie Barra, you know, I I just feel like there's never been kind of uh a lot of these teams have never been as close as they are right now, you know, in terms of just like, you know, stars and and colored belts and stuff like that. So, I'm really interested to see kind of how the team race develops this year and and it starts, of course, with with the European Championships, but I definitely am going to be keeping a tabs on it all the way through through Worlds just cuz yeah. Yeah. One more thing I wanted to throw out there that uh uh I'm really excited to see, not to, you know, uh uh kind of bail off, but uh one thing I'm really excited to see is how some of these new black belts uh enter into black belt and and how they do, right? Some of these rookies. Uh mentioned Sarah and you know, we put up a post last week about how this rookie class is really stacked. We were talking about it even last year. There's a lot of amazing brown belts who are getting ready to enter into the black belt. Now we're going to finally start to see those people in their first real IBJJF major, 2026 Euros. Uh, you know, are they top of the pack? Are they going to need more time to adjust to that? Where are they in the pecking order? You know what we should have done? We didn't prepare for this. I don't know if we can pull it off still. We should have done a fantasy draft, drafted our own teams for uh Euros, and then scored it the same way IBJJF does the team scoring. Except we just have our own representative teams. Trey pulls out a small list of people that he's got prepared for. I've already been my list. Yeah. So, I feel like in the first, yeah. No, that's a great idea. We should do that. Yeah. You want to do it right now? Might be kind of hard. How many yeah. Should we just shoot it should we just shoot it as its own video? Could be its own video. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we'll do this. Maybe we won't, dude. And that's a little peek behind the curtain. Sometimes we think maybe we do this and sometimes we think maybe we won't and you can't make us, dude. If you're watching this home, you can't make me make that video. So freaking kick rocks. How many people would we draft? I don't know. Um, like five, maybe. We do we could do one for each weight division or like two for each weight division or something. That might be hard. You're saying it's hard to do right now? Or just hard to do in general? Hard to do right now for sure. Yeah. But like that's how like you you got to fill a roster for like a fantasy team. So, ideally, you fill a uh, you know, like a the full thing. But I guess every jiu-jitsu team doesn't have someone representative every single weight. But to be honest, it would be fun to do this and then also compare our team score versus the actual team score. Like do you think you could draft a team that could end up beating the AOJ team score? That would be tough. AOJ has a really tough squad. Yeah. And I mean, I guess technically, well, Well, but I I feel like probably, though, you know, if you just take all like the the the best guys, if you're just taking Nolan Stewart and you're If if it's just you versus AOJ and you're allowed to maybe you wouldn't be allowed to draft any AOJ member, though. I mean, that that'd be cuz they kind of that's double dipping. That's not fair to them. Yeah. That's that's tough. That's tough. So, so you wouldn't be able to draft AOJ guys cuz they already have them on their team. Yeah. So, it'd basically be like an AOJ versus the world type of draft. Or any other team. Yeah. People have been saying we're favoring AOJ by putting Cole on the graphic. So, sorry we talk about AOJ. They're just, you know, one of the most prominent teams in jiu-jitsu right now. I love big Cole fan for sure. Yeah. And they did the way they were moving AOJ, the way they were moving people around, really does suggest that they're going to be trying to win this team title, right? There there's certain teams, certain tournaments where it feels like they're pushing all their chips in. They really want to win this. If you do if you guys want to, if you guys want to talk about who you kind of think could end up podium as the team on the team race. You got anybody? Uh just like the general teams. I mean, Alliance is always going to be. Yeah, I think I think what's most most interesting is to see where those kind of final three teams really net out. Yeah. Who's one, who's two, who's three, you know. It it does tend to be the same faces, right? Yeah. I bet Atos has a trophy. I bet uh AOJ. Did you say the most interesting part is going to be who ends up on the podium for the team's race? Well, like the order. Yeah, yeah, the order. Like any competition ever is. Yeah, fair enough. That's the part that. Well, but I was I was saying like Yeah, you're saying there's like three that are. Yeah, yeah, it's like I I feel like we kind of know like the the the top five teams that are going to kind of be there, but really Yeah. Who are the top five? Alliance, AOJ, is Atos? Atos has a big squad. Yeah, you know. I think Gracie Barra kind of always like can or Yeah, Gracie Barra's always around. And they have a good good European team. Checkmat. Checkmat has a huge European team actually, to be honest. Although I saw Jackson Nagai will not be there. Oh, really? Unfortunately, yeah. Jackson Nagai sales. Jackson Hatchell Nagai Jr. The very same. Okay. Uh so that's unfortunate. Yeah, that's always part of it is, you know, all these people enter, but then a certain number are not going to be able to make it for whatever reason. These guys are getting injured. It is pro athlete uh pro sport. Uh but uh yeah, still a lot of really fun stuff. That really opens up that division for another rookie black belt, Matteo Cardona, also an AOJ guy like we're talking about. Yeah. You guys think uh how do you think Nolan Stewart would do? That's a really tough division, man. Both Verachi brothers, Leo Fahera. Uh man, he's he's had performances where he's struggled at heavyweight, right? Heater Zuchi tapped him out. Uh Paulo Merlin beat him at uh, you know, it was one of the LA Opens out there in Southern California. Uh so, you know, he has this incredible run at the Crown and so I feel like right now, maybe it's just cuz he's still a little newer to black belt, still in those first three years, like Nolan's maybe like kind of like a little bit of variance in their performance, you know what I mean? Obviously, that would go for Leo as well. Yeah, I I I I'm I'm not sure. I think this is going to be such a pivotal year for Nolan. Does he turn that corner into just being that established number one guy or do we still see a little bit of that variance? Yeah, I mean, I do think like submitting Adam in the final of the Crown could like be like the rocket ship he needs to propel into like this year, you know? So like maybe that gives him a newfound confidence and like he could just hit the ball running and just like take off, destroy everybody at Euros. Obviously, he has some very tough competition, but I don't know. I think I think Euros will be very telling for like what this year could look like for Nolan Stewart, to be honest. Cuz if he does come out and has this like new confidence, like really, you know, thinks his place is the top of the sport, then like he could go out and kill everybody. Um, but if not, then like, I don't know. Maybe could be tougher, could be uh wide open division this year throughout the majors. Leo Fahera is also incredibly tough. Like it's hard for me whenever you just think, you know, you just think of who you see in the finals, who you see on the podium. It's hard for me not to picture Leo Fahera like at least in the finals, to be honest. Just like he's so tough. He's just like a brick wall, you know, like a little tank whenever he like gets his grips and hunkers down and, you know, like wants to win the match. It's like that is a hard dude to like not let just win the match. So, um, I guess I see Leo Fahera going on a run as well. But yeah, that's that division's definitely wild. No Adam, kind of a bummer, but it's cool that some other people are stepping up and and making the division interesting. So, the other guy that I'm excited to watch is Shoya Ishigura. I'm excited to watch Shoya. Getting to hang out with him more and stuff has kind of made me a little more hip to Shoya, a little more excited for his competition and everything. And I'm kind of excited to just see overall how he does at this Euros and everything. Obviously, he has a tough division as well. Basically, everyone has a tough division, though. But yeah, I'm excited to watch Shoya as well. Anything else Euros we're talking about? There's an incredible amount of depth in this tournament. There's rank grapplers up and down the list uh all the way through from women's rooster, where I'm really excited to see like we have the Gi World Champion Maisa taking on the Nogi World Champion Tais. Uh I think that's going to be awesome. Light Feather, uh uh the Funegra girls are getting in there. Men's Rooster, we have Jalen Fana trying to become the first uh rooster weight Grand Slam Champion. Shay Montague in the way. Is Scotland's boy going to be able to mess that up in European uh at the Euros? Uh uh really excited to see that. Man, just every division. Cole Abate taking on Kennedy. I feel like uh uh, you know, it's almost like a return to the scene of the crime last year cuz that match was like controversial and so close that I think a rematch is one of the most anticipated matchups up and down the list. So many great things. For sure. All right, so Euros is still going on right now on flowgrappling.com. Make sure you guys are tuning in, watching it all live. We're about to see uh the colored belts adults, you know, some juveniles. Got to get hip to these juveniles. If you want to be like me, then go watch JP Tran. And then uh the black belts will be Friday and Saturday. So, if you're in the US, pretty much just wake up, turn on Flow Grappling, watch the European Championships. Simple as that. Don't worry about anything else. Don't worry about work. Don't worry about your your, you know, your girlfriend yelling at you, your wife yelling at you. Just wake up, turn on Euros and just like let everything else just be pushed aside for once in your life. Just let yourself have something nice. Let yourself enjoy it, you know? Life's too short not to just enjoy. I don't know if you have a wife and a girlfriend, sounds like you're enjoying something. True, yeah. But, all right, now you guys want to talk about Polaris 35? Let's talk about it. All right. Back on Flow. Polaris, one got slapped. Uh Polaris is back on Flow. Uh after many years away and uh we are starting out very adversarial. Uh where WNO is taking on Polaris. Yeah. Uh bring it. Yeah. It's going to be awesome. Let's let's break down these squads real quick. And then let's get into one specific entrant into this that might just be, you know, might just have a little asterisk on the whole thing. Some are calling it the most controversial entrant of the year so far in any Brazilian jiu-jitsu event. Yep. All right, so so we have you got something to say? No, I was just going to say my my allergies are are wreaking havoc right now. Dang. All right, so we got Team WNO. Representing the Who's Number One brand, we got Declan Moody, Lucas Lera, Devonte Johnson, Gavin Corby, Chris Wochik, Deandre Corby. All right. A lot of blue collar studs. A lot of blue collar studs, a lot of guys who have been on Who's Number One multiple times. Great representative. I think Devonte is the only guy who's maybe been on once. Has Gavin Gavin's been on WNO. Yeah. Yeah. Deandre's been on once as well. At least once. Yeah. Yeah. But all these guys And was scheduled to be in a WNO title fight. Yeah. All of these guys already made their debut, you know, WNO veteran. Done what they got to do on WNO. And then let's go to Team Polaris. Oh, well, I'm sure they'll I'm sure it'll be the same way. Yeah. We got Santiri Lilius, Owen O'Flanagan, Lucas Connard, Owen Jones, Taylor Perman, and Mayram. Oh, well, but no, you must be mistaken because these are like squads to represent like what Yeah. But because Mayram has never been on These Polaris guys decided to have Mayram make their Polaris debut representing the Polaris squad. Now, something smells fishy in the Cardiff Bay, if you ask me. All right. I think these boys are up to something cuz that seems like a stretch to let him be a representative of Polaris. Polaris, I want you to answer for this, all right? What's going on? How can Mayram be a Team Polaris guy making his debut? What do you guys think of this, huh? I think it sounds like they went and found a ringer cuz they were not confident enough in their own squad uh to be able to to fill this in. It's almost, you know, Who's he who's he replacing who we got hurt? Oh, yeah, Mateusz Szyszynski, unfortunately. I know. We always love to watch Mateusz. I I will I will say part of me is like, okay, as long as we're getting Mateusz out of there. Yeah. Maybe I won't complain too much. Honestly, I'm just like, okay, so to be realistic, just not joking, you know, super sick to have Mayram more Nogi. This guy's been absolutely electric Nogi to watch Nogi, so it's like that's awesome. Super bummer to not have Mateusz Szyszynski competing cuz it's like that dude is awesome to watch compete. Like I kind of wish we, you know, can we have both? Like I don't know. I I really want to I just I just really wonder what that means now for uh Mateusz at the uh at the ADCC trials, you know? I'm hoping maybe he's just kind of like uh healing up for trials. Yeah, yeah. Stay stay for for trials, but man, I would love to see see uh Mateusz Szyszynski at uh ADCC Worlds in Poland. Like, man, that would be that would be such a bummer if Mateusz Szyszynski's not there. Maybe he's like acquired three more passports, so he's planning on just doing like uh different trials, you know? That just seems to be what everyone's doing. True, true. You know. We we could name a couple examples that we saw this morning, but uh But so I I think I think uh they before this uh Polaris Squads event, they did announce that Mayram had signed like an exclusive contract to be with uh Polaris. Like an exclusive European contract. Exclusive European contract. So, True. they did lay the groundwork that Mayram was going to be in here. Um Cheeky cheeky. I feel dude, I I feel like this is most egg on Owen Jones's face, to be honest. Like I don't I don't know. It's a little tough that dynamic. He was just he was just talking a lot of a lot of smack about Mayram and stuff like that. And now he's on a team with him? Like I don't know. I mean, I don't know, though. Like you think I'm wrong? Well, I think like I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. Like uh, he was also talking a lot of smack on Gavin Corby and now like he's like going on trips with the Corby brothers and like, you know, they're making little funny videos and they're they're in his corner at his next This is just part two of the plan. Part two of the plan to bring him on in. It's kind of like, you know, I don't know. Maybe like uh But now like Mayram is like representing Europe too. So. I will say, no way Owen Jones is on Team BJJ Stars. Yeah. If if we do this the other way around. Yeah. Uh, yeah, but yeah, like you said, obviously, it's awesome to have more Mayram Nogi to watch. Uh, you know, especially because Mayram, I think, is one of these guys who like could go up and weigh and do really well. Yeah, like honestly, one of the most interesting or like my my most hyped matches I want to see is Devonte versus Mayram. To be honest. Like I I genuinely want to see Devonte versus Mayram. And I think it's going to be a sick match. 100%. I agree with you. Yeah, me too. Be crazy. Especially cuz like I think Devonte when like, yeah, Mayram's going to go in there and try and throw him and I think Devonte's going to do some awesome stuff right back at him, you know what I mean? He's like he's putting these positions, it's going to happen. Mayram throws a kitchen sink at people, usually. Yeah. I mean, as far as like a strategic play, like Mateusz Szyszynski, the the weight limit is 85 kilos, right? For Polaris Squads, if I'm not mistaken. I think there's like there's like tiered, like you have to have like a certain number of people under this, certain number of people under this, certain number of people under this. No, I think it's I think it's just above and below. Okay. I I thought. Let me I mean, you probably know better than me. Trey's much more of the Polaris rules guy. Yeah. I've just been looking them up cuz I get the team rules are hard, so trying to know them. But I I thought if I'm not mistaken, I think it's like 85 kilos is the is the line. And then it's either above or below. And so it's like if you're below the whatever the limit is and you submit a guy that's above, you get like a bonus point. So instead so if basically, quick rundown of Polaris. Hopefully, I got this locked in. Hopefully, I don't mess it up, Polaris. But if I do, you know, spank my little bottom, call me a bad bad boy. I'll try to lock in before the event. But this is how I think the Polaris Squads rules work. It's the whole event for Squads is going to be two 45-minute halves. So, 90 minutes total of competition time. All the matches are five-minute matches. So, the the team captain sends out their guy, the other team captain sends out their guy. Those guys compete for five minutes. No matter what, a winner will be chosen. So, if it's by submission, that team gets two points. If it's by judges' decision after time runs out, that guy gets one point. And if it's a guy below the the lower weight class submitting a higher weight class, they get three points. So, you get a bonus point if you're a little guy submitting a big guy. And then the winner stays. So, classic losers walk back rules. If you guys have ever played, you know, like pick up football in your friend's backyard or something, the loser's got to walk back. And so, the winner stays out there and they keep going. And basically, like one guy could stay out there for 45 minutes essentially just in like little chunks. But as many matches like as many matches that need to fill that 45-minute half to happen can happen. So, it's like if you're just submitting a dude in a minute, you know, there could technically be 45 minutes or 45 matches if it's just one-minute subs over and over again. So, that's kind of like a quick rundown of how the rules work. And in the event of a tie, if there's a tie after the full 90 minutes runs out, both teams tied on scores, the team captains do a five-minute super fight to decide the winner. And that's why we need Feras to turn coat on his English comrades and join our team as Team WNO captain so he could super fight someone potentially at the end. I think it would be electric. It would be electric. So, what do you guys think about this, huh? Is that is that a real real rule? It says it on their rules. So, so who are the the team captains? I don't know. So, but I I think I think you might be our team captain, dude. Are you training? No, it's someone outside of the squad. Are you sure? Yeah, for sure. Okay. Because that person doesn't compete unless they uh unless it goes to the the super fight overtime rule. Okay, okay. So, that's a crazy rule. Yeah, it's a crazy rule. I mean, I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty sure. Like I I don't know. I feel like the person the team captain might be one of the team mates. Okay. So, you just denote one of them a team captain. But like how could they because the team captain is supposed to be the one. Well, I like the idea of like Lochlan and Nikki Ryan having to having to fight or something like that. Like that's an incredible idea. Like, you know, like But Yeah, that's a good point. It wouldn't be like it's not like the coach does it. It's the team captain, huh? Yeah. So, maybe they denote just like, I guess I think it's a player coach. I think it's a player coach. Yeah, yeah. Somebody has a C on their jersey. Okay. All right. But that's a quick rundown of the Polaris rules. And uh I guess what I was getting to, though, is that like strategically, obviously, adding Mayram is awesome. But you like took a guy who's like like at the up at the limit of the weight class, but probably will come in under the weight, which is Mateusz Szyszynski, you know? Like he'll probably technically be 85 kilo, yeah, that's like 100. If it's 85. So, it's like he probably will come in as technically a lower weight class guy. Yeah. Meaning there's a lot of potential for him to submit. Bonus points potential. Yeah, because he's right at the line. He's a sub hunter. There's a lot of bonus point potential. And I'm not saying Mayram's not. Mayram is definitely a sub hunter, has a lot of potential to submit bigger guys. But he's way under the weight limit if it's like kind of at that line. So, I don't know. I just think that's like it's it's good to have those dudes that are right there at that line. But, Yeah. Won't you guys won't you guys chop it up a bit? I'm going to double check the what the weight limit is. So, I was talking to Chris Wochik about this. Uh uh and I was like, man, you need you to like go out there like snap off like 10 ankle locks. Make sure that you can like rack up some points, especially cuz he's a guy who like could probably come in like right under that limit. Real quick, the the you're you're right. The teams three members must be under 80 kilos and three members must be under 95. So, there is kind of like Yeah, there's like a tiered. Yeah, yeah. So, you can have heavyweights minus 95, minus 80. But still, Mateusz is right at that minus 80 and it's like Yeah. There you go. Uh and then but Chris is like, oh, no, don't I'm actually a wrestler now. I've been working on my wrestling and my top game. Go back. Vito. Where's my camera? How many bonus points do you get for takedowns? Yeah, none. Fucking none. Apparently, none. It doesn't fucking show up on the scoreboard. Uh so, Chris, you have a submission named after you, not a takedown. Take the hint, brother. Sit the fuck back down. I will say, dude. Sit your white ass down and listen. Like like if you watch like Cody Steel versus Chris Wochik, like he can grapple a little on the feet. He can wrestle. No, he can wrestle. I don't think people I don't think people forgot that because they started pegging him as like a leg lock only guy. And it's like he does have some scrappy poos on the feet. 100%. He's got thick ankles. Those those thick ankles. Like a wrestler's got, you know. That's true. You're always talking. Give us your top five thick ankle grapplers, dude. Cuz I know you got it. You have a literally have a list on your desk. No. No, I don't have a top of my head. I don't know. Okay, okay. Sorry. Orlando Sanchez, number one all-timer. Yeah, Trey. Trey. Probably. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Gabby Garcia, I don't know. True, true. And then Chris Wochik. Never mind. I was going to name a deceptively smaller ankle guy, but uh uh I'm not going to put anybody's business out there. Okay. A dainty ankle guy. A dainty ankle. Yeah, so tune into flowgrappling.com for our dainty ankle rankings. Our top five dainty ankles. Bo Nix. Hey. Yeah. Took a shot at Bo Nix. Brought it back. No, but for real, let's let's No, this isn't an NFL podcast. Imagine if next week the the Denver Broncos were like, starting at quarterback, we're going to have Mayram Mahine. You know what I mean? He's signed him to an exclusive deal. And now he's making his debut for the organization. Yeah, for the organization here. No, you got to play a little bit before you. I like to think. Denver Broncos are screwed. Yeah. I mean, I bet you think Mayram could like I don't know if he has any knowledge of American football. Do you think Mayram could join an NFL team and gain a rushing yard? See over the wall. As like a kicker, I I bet he'd probably have his best best shot. Brazilian pulling a Brazilian stereotype here, little soccer thing. Okay. Like, dude, he could be a nasty slot receiver. I was thinking like, man, you put this guy back here in like a like defensive secondary, like let him just torpedo around and hit somebody. I mean, he's 145 pounds, but it's an issue. I didn't say it was my first career path for him, but I don't know how much does he weigh? Is he? Yeah, like 145. Yeah. I was hoping he's going to put on he's going to bulk up a little bit. I'm just saying like you have him like as a slot receiver and even like kind of, you know, you just do like a just like a screen pass with him pretty much, you know? And then just let him take off. Like I feel like he can catch and run, no? Julian Edelman Edelman type or something? Yeah, yeah, we're talking. Yeah. I don't know. That's fun to think about, though, huh? If you had if you had to draft one grappler to play slot receiver for you, who you boys taking, huh? Lou Griffith could be a nasty tight end. Honestly, genuinely. Like like could honestly could be all pro tight end. If he really locked in for the next 15 years and learned learned a little something about ball. So, Yeah. That's something all tight ends need. It's not like they just have fucking Travis Kelsey run out there like a dog and then gets open. Yeah. All right, so what what do you guys think about these squads overall, though? You guys like our chances here? One, I love our chances. Two, I really like the guys that they got. I think there's a lot of really aggressive, really exciting submission hunters on both squads. Corby brothers, I feel like having both of them on the squad is awesome. Uh I feel like having Declan out there. Declan is like such a terminator these days that I feel like, you know, he is just a guy who it's like, yeah, send Declan out there first and let's just see who can beat Declan in like how many rounds it's going to take. Uh but then obviously like there is so many killers on that Polaris squad. Uh like Joseph Chen, I think, is on there. Like, you know, there's a ton of these tough guys. Yeah. There's there's some good super fights as well on the card. Um, do you know who the Goth Lord is? Reed, you hip to the Goth Lord? I think so. Shane Curtis. Yeah. Shane Curtis, he's the Goth Lord. He's going to be on the prelims uh Shane V Shane here. He's fighting Shane Price. But Shane on Shane Crown. You you got to get hip to the to the Goth Lord, Shane Curtis. I feel like you'd be into that, huh? What's the Goth Lock? Yeah, he has a move called the Goth Lock. And I feel like you'd be into that, huh? Turn on some heavy metal and just start hitting Goth Locks watching the Goth Lord. That's your vibe, right? You turn on like Death Heaven and just like practice the Goth Lock on people. I did Goth Lock Ray Machuca recently. Oh, really? Yeah. I actually don't know for sure what the Goth Lock is. But I see him You like sit up and like headlock the guy kind of. You know that like scarf hold arm lock where you like put the arm between your legs and like bend it. It's kind of that but from bottom where you just like turn up and start grabbing the guy's head and arm and put the arm between your legs. Okay. Dude, I used to have this really, really strong dude I trained with. This was in like my first nine months of training when I was a white belt. You'd hold your arms and make you feel safe. Well, he would he was like to this day, he might be the strongest dude I've ever rolled with. Like outside of me. Like like no. Like not even outside of Keenan, to be honest. Like maybe this is just partly remembering cuz I was a white belt, you know? So it's like I had I couldn't Sure, yeah. It's like how your dad's the tallest guy you've ever met. Yeah. It's like he also was just a white belt at the time. And like he was just straight up like just a farm boy, just like blue collar his whole life and just like the strongest grips of all time. And he used to put me in a scarf hold and then just force my arm into that little like legs Americana thing and just force it until finally he got it and then just force it. And like I would not tap to it cuz like super prideful and whatnot, you know? So I'd be like fighting and like my arm's breaking and all this stuff. Just straight up the strongest dude ever. This is every instructor's fucking nightmare. It's like you just have two white belts who are just doing literally this. 100%. And I remember at one point, I finally had enough. And I was just like, he started doing it. And he started cuz he was it was every roll. Like I couldn't stop it cuz he was so strong. And I didn't have any technique. And so he's like forcing it and I'm like, hey, bro, I don't want to do the strength thing right now. Just pick a different move. And I told him that. And he kind of went, he was just like, okay, I can do that. And then he just like let go. And then he just let go of it. And then like we moved on to another thing. And then like months later, like which I don't know. Maybe that's a tap, brother. Yeah, for sure. No, but it was like, dude, I was just like he gets me he gets me he got me with it every single time. I couldn't stop it. I had no technique available to like prevent it. He was so much stronger than me. I couldn't strength my way out of it. And so I was basically telling him like, you checkmated me, bro. I can't stop that move. And I was like, I'm not going to roll with you if you keep doing it to me, though. So I was being a little bit of a baby. But then he told me like two months later, he was like, I just want you to know that you you telling me that that day made me have so much progress in my game cuz I wasn't doing anything else besides that to anyone. And I realized I should start doing other stuff. And so he like started doing like jiu-jitsu because I was just like being a baby one day and like just stop doing the strong arm move thing to me. And so, yeah, dude, you know. That's why you're always telling me to stop doing moves. I'm playing a mental game with you. By the way, the Polish film that's been playing in the background. The credits are going and they're just absolutely ridiculous looking at some of the stuff that's like going past. Yeah, I don't know. But I I always think about that story and I just think about like how like I was being a little baby, but also like I guess it helped in the long run. But what I'm doing with you, Reed, I this is this is my instructionals coming out soon. How to win the roll between the rolls. And it's all about it's not the least important part of winning training is not the five-minute roll you do with your teammate. That's the least important part. You got to win the time before that, the time after that, you know, the time between classes. That's how you truly become a champion. You lock in and make sure that you're driving narratives, you know, you're pushing storylines. You're doing all kinds of things to make everyone around you think you are actually a winner, even if you're losing, dude. Winning or losing the round is the least important part. So, one aspect of that is, you know, trying to play a mental warfare game to get people to not play their A game against you by making them feel silly for using their best moves on you, you know? So, Reed has a nasty collar sleeve. Sweeps me with it all the time. So, what do I do when I start rolling? He grabs collar sleeve and I go, seriously, dude, you're going to play collar sleeve again? Okay, no, no, it's cool. Play collar sleeve, dude. No, for sure. Play play collar sleeve. Yeah. No, no, I get it. You don't want to work on you don't want to work on anything else. And then this dude let's go of collar sleeve. Now, puts me in single leg X. I pass that shit like it's freaking butter, baby. I freaking just boom, dude. I just look like everyone was like, oh, shit. Leandro Lo's back, you know? It's like I was passing single leg X like a madman. But All because you let go of collar sleeve. If you kept collar sleeve, I would have never passed. So, that's that's how you win the roll between the rolls. So, a more important part of uh training. I'll be dropping my instructionals soon. What do you think of that? I think that, you know, our rolls are inevitable and uh I can kind of you're right. I should start kind of wherever I want in different places and So, you're you're right. You're helping me. You're helping me improve too. 100%. I've been doing this since day one. Joe thoughts. I think uh I approve. Go for it. Yeah. Whatever you can do to mental warfare somebody if they fall into it, amazing. Yep. So, Polaris Squads. Going to be sick. I am actually I'm stoked for it, for sure. Yeah, I'm super hyped for it. I think I think just that that the the format there is going to be crazy. Declan, you know, Owen, there's so many good guys in there. Uh this is a big year for European jiu-jitsu. So, Polaris is is really kind of leading the front there. Obviously, so excited that Polaris is back. We had Polaris Two back in 2015. They went to fight pass for, you know, 10 years and and they're back here on on Flow. So, really excited to kind of rekindle that relationship with those guys and just, you know, it's just you you can't deny that they're they're one of if not the best super fight show in jiu-jitsu. They they they truly are. And um so so excited to have them on on Flow Grappling now. Uh first one kicks off January 31st, but uh we got a whole bunch this this year going on. It's going to be an exciting time. So, What what I will say is when they start those team events, that is the most jiu-jitsu dense viewing experience. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Like, okay, you start 45 minutes of jiu-jitsu. Like even like a WNO, like there's walkouts, there's interviews, you know, we got to run an ad, pay a bill or two. Uh, you know, that's all super normal. IBJJF, obviously, they have their own thing. We got to go to the podium now. We got to, you know, do this. There's pomp, there's circumstance, there's ceremony. Here, there is just action and they just keep it moving. And I I if you're a fan, you're going to love it. It's essentially set up like soccer, right? Like once the once the soccer half starts. And it's called soccer. Yeah. Once yeah, true. The real Polaris versus WNO. Name this sport. Soccer versus football. Yeah. But it's it's like uh less than a minute. Like 45 or 30, yeah. If WNO wins, it's called soccer from now on. Okay. All right. Let's put that on the. Officially in the office. Let everybody know. No, in the world. Yeah, yeah. Spread the word. Tell FIFA right now. Get a FIFA representative on the horn. We need to talk to him. There's a wager on the line. But yeah, it doesn't stop. I think it's like there there's like a 30-second break between matches or It's very short to get the next person out. It's less than a minute. Like 45 or 30, yeah. It's like a strict 40 30 to 45-second break, whatever the time exactly is. And so, yeah, it just doesn't stop. Matches just keep going. But yeah, I'm stoked for that. Me and Reed are going out to that one. Joe, you're going out to Euros here soon. You stoked? What's the first thing you're going to do whenever you touch down in Lisbon? I already I already asked you this last show. No, I don't think you did. I actually think I might end up going directly to the venue and just get right to filming stuff. Good man. Cuz yeah, the the time I'm landing, it's going to be right, you know, at the beginning of the day. Yeah, kind of got to get over there. Yeah, kind of got to get over there. Pavial de Boozos. Man, I got to find one of those little like uh bakery treats and uh get one of those as well. Pastéis de Nata. Pastéis de Nata. Okay, cool. Definitely. When in Lisbon, got to get one. Well, you know, make sure you guys are tuning in, watching uh the European Championship now. Um, Polaris 35 coming up uh January 31st. I think we'll have another show before then. We'll probably recap some Euro stuff and uh maybe talk some more uh Polaris. But yeah, we're we're kicking off the year. Maybe we should draft a sub hunter each or something. Yeah, true. We got Euros trials too for uh early uh February. So, a lot going on. Yeah. A lot of a lot of European grappling going down. So, hopefully, you guys are enjoying that. But thank you guys for tuning in, watching another episode. And we'll see you guys in the next one.