#64 - Lis Clay Joins To Talk About Her Historic Moment At No-Gi Worlds

Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling Show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Joey Gilbs right there, Big Uncle Reed right there, and then Big Slack Barrett on the ones and twos on the side desk. We just wrapped up Nogi Worlds, so we had to get, you know, the biggest story, the biggest moment of the event was Liz Clay submitting Gabby Pastani. So we got Liz Clay calling in. Everybody give it up for Liz. Speaker 2: Liz, thanks for coming on. Speaker 1: Hey guys. Legend. Speaker 2: Legend. Speaker 1: Yeah, so Liz, obviously, it was an insane tournament for you, you know, you went all submissions to win double gold and ultimately submitting Gabby Pastani in the finals. But I just want to kick it off and just uh get your thoughts on just the event overall. Now a six-time Nogi World champ. How'd that feel? Speaker 2: It is it felt great, you know, that was the big thing going in. Um, was hopefully to come away with those wins. That being able to win the absolute is amazing, but going in, honestly, I do the absolute to be able to compete weight better, but it's always good when I'm in the finals for both. Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Had to be a pretty unreal feeling. Um, so get into the to the Gabby match, cuz I I got some things I'm curious about about it. Um, as far as I know, you fought Gabby twice before, right? Before this one? This was the third one or are there more? Speaker 2: Twice at Black belt, but we fought for the first time juvenile blue. Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Speaker 2: Like juvenile one blue, my very first IBJJF, we fought. Speaker 1: Wow. How did that go all the way at juvenile blue? Speaker 2: Uh, I won the first I won at Pans and then she won at Worlds. Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. So, a 50/50 split down at juvenile. And then, uh, you were two and 0 go against her at Black belt going into this one. Speaker 3: Oh and two. Speaker 1: Or 0 and two, sorry. And then the last time you guys fought was 2025 Worlds and she submitted you with a straight ankle. And so that's one thing I wanted to ask about is you kind of had no fear going right back into the legs. Everybody knows how dangerous Gabby's straight ankle locks are and everything. So, I'm just curious this time, was something different? Did you like notice something about her game where you're like, oh no, I'm confident that I can get the finish on the legs or or what was I guess just different about this meeting with Gabby? Speaker 2: Honestly, the plan going in really was just I was still going to either try to attack the feet like I did, but be super aware of her grabbing my feet. I think at Worlds, I just I knew that she did that foot lock, but I didn't realize that she was going to snap it so fast. Um, so if you watch here at Nogi Worlds, I was always just like while she was trying to enter, um, I was trying to kick and get free and then I would do my entry. So I just kept my feet way closer to me just to keep them safe. She's has such a good foot lock that you can't mess with it. I have flexible feet, but it doesn't matter if the bone's going to break, you know. Speaker 1: For sure, yeah. And one thing that I think's kind of an interesting parallel about you and Gabby is whenever we went uh out to Phoenix during Road to Worlds, you showed like uh straight ankle lock from both legs inside, you know, which for one, I got to give you, you know, a a thank you. I've been using that all the time in training. A lot of times I use it whenever someone starts straight ankle locking me and then I kind of counter with it because it's just like I'm already there. They're not really expecting it and it works super well. Gabby also does a lot of straight ankles from like both legs inside. Was that, you know, something you were hip to or anything or just I just think it's an interesting parallel to be honest. Speaker 2: Uh, I think it's just kind of a a crazy coincidence that that's how it is. Um, but the that foot lock just works really well. Speaker 1: Definitely. But we we have your match with Gabby up. I don't know if it's playing for you. But I was wondering, could you kind of Yeah, could you talk us through some of this? Have you had a chance to watch it back or anything? Speaker 2: I watched it back right away. So, if you see in the false entry how I'm entering here, I had actually with my husband we were talking about it before. Um, when you do the false reap with somebody bigger, it's really hard to elevate them, but once you start elevating, they fall, which you notice here, like it was a little hard getting her up, but as soon as she started going, there's just so much more weight that once they start falling, you're going to have it. And so, if you look here, I was able to use that to come up for the two, which was my thought. I was like, if I can get ahead on the points, that's even better. Obviously, great to get a submission, but I was just my plan was to get ahead on the points. And then here, she just left the foot open. So we ended up rolling out. If you notice, I started curving cuz I wanted to stay in on the foot. I didn't want to end up coming out with the two, but there was just no way to keep it, um, in bounds with how she was rolling. So came up, had so I think at that point I was up actually by four going back in, but my my plan was still to kind of double pull cuz she pulls. And then I still don't think I think we ended up getting the penalty here still. Speaker 3: How much did being up by four points kind of change the match, do you feel like? Did you feel a change from her? Were you able to change your strategy at that point? Speaker 2: For me, being up by four in my head, I was like, okay, even if I still pull again at some point, I knew I was going to come up if she didn't. Cuz I felt comfortable enough. I'm already up by four. Even if I get swept, as long as I I play it right, I'm still up by two at that point. So I knew at some point that I would be able to still just come up, but we only had the one penalty, so I still wanted to try the double pull a little bit, but in my head, I was already ready to come up. Speaker 3: Did you feel like if you had kind of like infinite mat space on that first um heel hook attempt that you would have finished that one? It looked pretty deep. Speaker 2: Yeah, her knee was making ripping sounds while I was doing it. Um, if you look here, my foot was fine, but what you don't notice is my arm was stuck on the inside. I was actually more worried um about getting arm barred when she was attacking this. Speaker 1: Hmm. Speaker 2: Cuz I had my hand in it to protect the foot, but because of that, my elbow actually got a little deep and I just I don't know if she didn't notice it. Um, but I was actually more concerned with the arm bar when she came over a couple minutes ago or a couple seconds ago. Speaker 3: It's so crazy to have Gabby Pastani on your feet and be worried about something besides your feet. Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so much confidence in the legs. That's nuts. Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I should have that confidence. My foot was after Gi Worlds, my foot was black on finals day. Speaker 1: Oh, jeez. Speaker 3: And we we remember you limping out to the what was that, the finals? Speaker 1: Yeah, the final. Speaker 3: Limping out to the finals. Speaker 1: My whole division. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, my whole division I did with my foot like that. Um, but here I just decided to come up. I really wanted that guillotine here falling on it, but I just couldn't get up high enough to do it. Um, but again, I just was able to come right back in on the legs. Speaker 1: You were in top position. Go ahead. Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say such a crazy transition from top to bottom, but yeah, here's the heel hook. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Did you know you had it this time or uh was there like any surprise when she finally tapped? Speaker 2: You know, I knew that I had it, but I didn't wasn't sure that she was going to tap. Some people, you just hit a point and they're just not going to tap. I've had plenty of times that I'm attacking the feet, um, that like you feel it ripping and the person just isn't going to tap. But in my head, I was like, if anything else, we're going to roll out again and I'm going to get another two and then I'll be up by six. Speaker 1: Yeah, just like watching it from home, whenever you got in deep on that that first heel hook and then she rolled out and everything, I was kind of like, oh, okay, well, Liz is kind of like dominating the exchanges right now, but Gabby might be just impervious to being submitted. Like, I don't know. Like that was it was just like for some reason, and you both, I think like the commentators during the match kind of mentioned this. You both have such great poker faces, like very stoic, you know, expressions throughout. Like you're pretty notorious stoic expression uh throughout your matches. Gabby as well, just like not showing any sign of like, is this on, is it not? And so I was like, man, I don't know. She might not it might not be possible to submit Gabby. Obviously, you proved that wrong. Pretty incredible moment. Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she's never been submitted at Black belt. So that's I don't even know in her color belt career she really was. Speaker 1: I mean, there's not one that I could cite. Speaker 3: Yeah. And and obviously on the podcast, Liz, we've talked so much about how good Gabby is, what an incredible year Gabby's been having. You you know, she just she just goes out there and she just wins. So it's like even if she has, you know, a tough match on paper, it's hard to pick for us to pick against Gabby Pastani because she's just such a winner. And we've seen her do it at purple belt, at brown belt, at black belt. And all she does is win. And so I'm just going into Nogi Worlds, like, did you think that you were going to have to fight Gabby? Was that something you were planning for? Did did you did you have a kind of a different game plan or anything like that? Especially just like mentally too, cuz she is obviously a lot bigger than you, has beaten you before. So I'm just like going into the match or going into the weekend, was that something that you were really planning on? Like, oh, okay, I'm going to be fighting Gabby here for sure. Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, going into the weekend, not really because I wasn't even sure that I was going to do the open. I was like, cuz I just had the crown. I really I only trained Nogi for like a week, week and a half maybe before Nogi Worlds because everything was getting ready for the crown. Um, and then going into it, I was like, oh, maybe I just won't do the absolute. And then I was thinking about it and I was like, man, even if I even if I don't do well in the absolute, I like to compete the open because I compete my weight class better. So in my head, I was like, I'm just going to do the open so that I get all the nerves out and everything that doesn't go well, all my mistakes will happen in the open and then I'll just fight weight better so that I know that I can win weight. Um, and then when I decided to sign up for the open, I was like, okay, well, I just hope me and Gabby are on opposite sides of the bracket at least so that it's at least on the second day. Um, and then we ended up being on opposite sides, which was nice. But it wasn't I really take it match by match, um, and I try not to let like one person be at the forefront of anything. Especially in the open. I had Adele in there as well. It wasn't like Gabby was the only uh big name and Adele's won the won the open weight at ADCC. So, I already had some big names that were kind of on my head before her. Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I I kind of wanted to talk to you some about, you know, more of the run too because obviously in the final, you know, submitting Gabby is like that's such a crazy moment, you know, it's hard not to just focus on that. But, you know, eight matches, eight submissions. You're throwing out some guillotines along the way, right? You know, and you had that match with Adele. Was was a guillotine, was that kind of like, were you focused in on that? It seemed like you were really locked in on uh these guillotine attacks throughout. Speaker 2: Honestly, a lot of times when I attack the upper body, I love guillotines. I would say guillotines are even are better than my leg locks. It's just a lot harder to get there, right? When you first pull the feet are always right there, so it's just kind of an easier thing. Uh, but for the guillotine, I have to get all the way up to the head. But once I kind of came up with Adele and I was in half, I either knew I was either going for the guillotine and I was either going to use it as a pass or I was going to use it, um, as a submission. Speaker 1: Gotcha. Yeah, here we we got the Adele match uh pulled up right here. But yeah, that was a that was a sick match to have along the way as well. Liz Clay versus Adele. That was pretty cool. Did you Speaker 2: That was a fun match for sure. Speaker 1: Did you have a favorite moment throughout the entire thing? Speaker 2: On it was funny when we both got penalties cuz both of us looked at each other and we're like, dude, like what more do you want? Cuz we were Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want? Speaker 2: I mean, what do you want? You want her to either give me the pass or me to stick my arm out? Like both of us afterwards, we were talking about that like, what does the ref want from us? We just, okay, here, you can have the pass. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Or here, you can have my arm. Like we were both moving, we were both trying. It wasn't a a huge movement, but we're in half guard where she has a super tight arm bar. And I'm also going to try to pass off of that. Speaker 3: Can can you so we we just saw the the guillotine that you had here, incredible guillotine, of course. Uh, but a little similar to the Gabby one, you really had to work through a lot of defense and Adele didn't want to tap and Gabby didn't want to tap. She was willing to, you know, live that out into the end. Adele was, you know, about out when this. Can you just talk about what it takes sometimes when you lock on these submissions and the elite Black belt levels, that extra push you have to make to get the tap sometimes? Speaker 2: I I think a lot of it you have to keeping the positional on it. If you look when I was able to get it, I ended up sliding into mount, which in my head like I thought she was going to go to sleep. Honestly, I didn't think she was going to tap. Um, but in my head, I was like, okay, if something goes crazy wrong here, I'm at least in mount, so I have the pass and I have the mount. So, worst case scenario, I'm at least way ahead on the score. And I I think at Black belt, you have to do that. You always have to be ready to if something crazy happens and you end up losing it, because sometimes crazy stuff does happen and you end up losing the submission when you wouldn't think that it's possible to. Um, and you can end up in a really bad position, which I think you see a lot at Black belt. Speaker 1: For sure. And I know we've asked you about uh your son before, uh little Danilo and everything, you know, and it just does feel like I I remember at the Road to Worlds where we stopped and talked with you and stuff. It seemed like it maybe had like brought in some new perspectives and everything for you being a mom and having a kid, especially with your kid mat side, just taking a little snooze, you know, he couldn't be bothered. But does it feel good to be out there kind of doing your thing now with like your husband and son just sitting mat side watching? Is that make it a little more special or anything for you? Speaker 2: It does. I mean, honestly, that's I don't I I think a lot of people think that he was actually like a a whoopsy and accident. I don't think a lot of people realize me and my husband actually we were trying for a long time, um, like two, three years. And it had been a dream of mine for a long time to, you know, have a kid, be married and still be competing at the elite level. Since, I don't know, probably since I was like 16 or 17. Um, so to be actually able to be out there and doing it is it's it's honestly, it's a dream come true. There's there's nothing else to say other than that it's a dream. Speaker 3: And man, Liz, I just I just go back to thinking, remember when I when I kind of first was was hip to Liz Clay. I think it was kind of like 20 2017 ADCC trials was was really when you came on kind of my radar and and probably everybody else's radar. You know, I believe you're a blue belt, 2017, you won the ADCC trials. Just what an incredible journey this has been from you. Obviously, looking from the outside in to, you know, to kind of where you started and and I just feel like we just got to put this into a little bit more perspective, you know, as as well as this was one of the the greatest moments in in Jujitsu of the year, you know, And and all of us here, you know, we've been following Jujitsu for a long time. We we watch a lot of Jujitsu, tons of Jujitsu. And sometimes there's cool moments and, you know, sometimes there there's not cool moments, you know, But but I just wanted to like say honestly like thank you for giving giving us one of the most incredible moments of the year. Like so so often I'm watching Jujitsu matches and stuff like that, but it's it's so rare that I watch a Jujitsu match and I'm like, wow, this is something that the Jujitsu community is going to be watching for for 10 years, 20 years in the future. This is a moment that that people are going to be talking about for for decades to come. For for you, you know, I know it's been it's been a little bit of an up and down year for you and and a lot of people are talking about Adele and how great Adele is. A lot of people are talking about Gabby Pastani and how she's the greatest female competitor basically to ever do it. You know, and there's a lot of great storylines um going on in in women's Jujitsu and just in Jujitsu in general. But but to see you go out there and and go eight for eight submissions, taking out two of the the biggest, you know, stars in grappling. It was just such an incredible moment. And I know everybody who was watching, you know, not just us, but it feels like I've heard already heard so many anecdotal stories of that when Liz Clay submitted Gabby Pastani. I jumped out of my seat. I was screaming at my at my TV. You know, it's it's part of it. I couldn't believe it. Part of it that like, you know, I I I'm I'm always rooting for Liz Clay. We're always rooting for Liz Clay. You want, you know, she's always a submission hunter. She doesn't care if they're bigger than her, smaller than her, you know, if she just had a baby, you know, it doesn't matter to Liz Clay. She's out there throwing down every single time. And um, I don't know, I just really, really appreciate that about you and and and you really give us, you know, just who are just fans of the sport at the end of the day. You give us something to really kind of like be excited about, cheer for, and just it reminds all of us why we love this sport and why we come back to it every every every weekend, you know. And sometimes you do, you get some some 50/50 stinkers and you and you get some matches that that end in DQ or whatever and it's a kind of a bummer. But then you you get you get to see why this sport is so incredible and why every dog has their day. And this was your your weekend, Liz, and I just got to give you your props. I I really think this was just one of the the biggest moments of the year in Jujitsu. Maybe, you know, one of the biggest moments of the last 10 years in Jujitsu. I we revere Gabby to to to that level. We we know how how good she is and I don't think everybody really knows how good she is, but the fact that you went out there and submitted her, just absolutely incredible. Props to you. Thank you for giving us something to to cheer for. And uh I clap it up. Clap it up. Clap it up for Liz. Speaker 1: Legend. Run an epic run. Yeah, for sure. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know. Speaker 1: Somebody go clip that. Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Thank you guys for covering it. Um, as always, it's it's great to have that and also I get to go back and watch it now, so even better. Speaker 3: What was what was that moment like when when when you got the the the finish and and six-time world champion, the the crowd's going crazy and everything. Speaker 1: Your husband just lifting a chair above his head. Speaker 3: One of the biggest moments of your career, safe to say or how did that feel? Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it it felt amazing. I mean, I think you saw it on the mat. Um, I got emotional. I I don't get emotional ever. I I think I don't think I've ever cried winning a match. But I think especially like with how the year's gone, um, had some really good moments like one Brazilian Nationals, um, made it to the finals of Worlds, but then like I obviously like I I lost beginning of the year. I I had Pans I lost first round. I had two super fights I lost getting back into it. Um, I've had a a team change that has been needing to happen, but there's still like a lot going into it, moving and everything. And so just to end the year with something so big and and so so amazing, um, is just incredible. Speaker 1: Definitely. Can can we talk some about your team change? What uh what kind of went into all that? You're now representing Right Six Blades in Fort Worth. You originally, was your was your family originally from Texas and then you moved to Alaska? And then Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Okay, so you kind of came back to Texas, huh? You skipped you skipped Arkansas? You didn't want to move, you know, to Arkansas and it's a it's a good place that people don't know. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: I'm always trying to push Arkansas for these guys. They don't know. It's a sick little place, but Speaker 3: Just don't move to Kansas. Speaker 1: Yeah. But so what went into the team change and all that and the move to uh Fort Worth? Speaker 2: Um, it so changing teams has is something that's kind of been needing to happen for for a while. I haven't had the training that I've needed to have for I I honestly, I would say like two years. The last year and a half has been really bad, but probably like two years I haven't had the training that I needed at all. Like it's been me, my husband and one other guy. Has literally been my training for everything for the most part. Um, that that doesn't work at the high level. Um, not nothing happened. I think some people wonder if something happened. Like nothing happened cuz she was amazing. Um, he just kind of wasn't able to give give what what we needed anymore, what I needed for training, uh, which is okay. He's at a different point in life. So, that move is kind of been needing to happen and we've been looking for for a long time for for yeah, probably two years. We've been looking at moving. Um, and we were actually we were in Brazil or we were headed to Brazil and had a friend connect us with Leo who owns Team Maha, who's under Six Blades. And we're just kind of talking to him and we were spending like like a month in Brazil, set it up so that when we got back, we went and and tried it out here in Dallas and it just went so good being here, having, you know, the training that we have, having him be so involved. Um, he ends up watching my son 90% of the time when I train too, which is amazing because me and my husband are actually getting to train at the same time. Um, instead of switching on and off or just having it be so much more stressful. I'm actually able to like stop and focus and and be an at just an athlete when I'm on the mat, which is is so nice. Um, but yeah, that that change has been needing to happen for a while and I think that's really going to be the thing that's going to help bring my career where it needs to be because it's been lacking for for a while now. Speaker 1: Gotcha. Speaker 3: Do you ever have a relationship with Shanji? Speaker 2: Oh, we always talked at like competitions and and tournaments and stuff like that, but we never like knew each other super, super well aside from like tournaments, but from tournaments for years and years now. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw him in uh the replay. It kind of cuts to Shanji, you know, he's cheering with the whole Six Blade crew and everything. So it seemed like a good fit. Seemed like it worked pretty well for you. Speaker 2: It's it's been going really well. Like it just fit perfect. We got here and and just I think within like three days, we're like, yeah, this is it just fit, you know, when it's when it's right, it's right. Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, I don't want to take up too much of your time. You got you got one. Speaker 3: Can I ask one more question? Cuz we were talking a little earlier about, you know, watching your growth up through this sport like since 2017. Obviously, your career has only grown and grown so much. Uh, but I feel like that also parallels a lot of women's Jujitsu and how women's Jujitsu has really grown and exploded in opportunities, which when you were, you know, coming up and and winning your early stuff, didn't really exist. Can you kind of talk about what you've seen from your point of view as somebody who's kind of lived this growth, what it's been like? Speaker 2: Uh, it's so for women's Jujitsu, it's it's grown a lot. I definitely still I don't know if a lot of like not female professional athletes or somebody that's really close to female professional athlete would say it. We still have um, a long way to go. Specifically in like sponsorships and and fights. It's very common, more so on the sponsorship side that I I still hear, unfortunately, that the women's market's not there. So they try to pay less. Um, but on the positive side, it has grown significantly. Um, when I started training in in not in 2012, I got laughed at for saying that I wanted to do do this as a career because it was hard as a man to do it, much less as a woman. A woman didn't make it. You couldn't even open a school as as a woman and have it be successful in any sense of the matter, even just paying the bills. So, just where it's come from there to then 2017, it started kind of growing and doing better to now is is crazy. Seeing so many women at events, um, that you didn't see then. You see full brackets. I I think I had 15 or 16 in my bracket, which for adult female Black belt middle is a lot. It's not uncommon to only see like six, seven, eight, um, in previous years. So just seeing that is like crazy. Like I remember checking my bracket and being like, oh, I like I have a I have a big bracket, which is amazing. Seeing that, um, and the progress that it's happened. We definitely still have a long way to go, but it is it's good to see the progress and it's finally starting to get somewhere, I feel like in the last couple years. Speaker 1: Do you do you have a message for any uh, you know, young girls out there who are getting into Jujitsu and contemplating, you know, should I dive into this? Should I try and become a professional grappler? You got any message for those girls? Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if you love it, then you should just dive in and do it. Um, if you know you want it, you know you want it. That that that's how it was for me. I I started, I think I had like three days training and I was like, I'm going to be a world champion at this. This is it. This is my thing. Um, and just don't let anybody tell you no. That's going to be the biggest thing cuz you're going to have so many haters and so many people saying no, and you just kind of have to push through all of it. Speaker 1: It's good advice. But before we go, I got some hard-hitting questions that, you know, we'll we'll hit you with and then you can get out of here. But are you down for some hard-hitting questions? Speaker 2: Let's go. Speaker 1: All right. All right, first hard-hitting question. Cuz I used to train with your brother David, so I always like to talk about David, you know. I've been watching him, he's doing MMA now and everything. I really need him to blow up cuz he used to beat me up so bad in the gym that I need to be able to be like, no, dude, I used to I used to go toe-to-toe with him at blue belt back in the day. Yeah. But I want to know, how is David as an uncle? Is he a good uncle or what? Speaker 2: He's a good uncle. Peanut kind of cries a little bit with him though. He actually prefers Sam, who's right under him. Speaker 1: Gotcha. Speaker 2: Um, which I I think I think hurts David's feelings. Speaker 3: Bummer. Speaker 1: David's too Yeah, he's too rough and tough, you know. He's the MMA guy now. Speaker 2: Oh, that kid. I I wish he would do more Jujitsu. Tell you that. Speaker 1: I agree. But and then all right, next hard-hitting question. If there was a direct clone of Liz Clay, a one-to-one clone, you know, everything that your clone knows everything you know, same everything, would you be able to submit yourself? Speaker 2: Yeah, the the clone wouldn't have the same heart that I have. And that's the biggest thing. Speaker 1: Yeah, can't beat the original, right? Speaker 3: A synthetic heart. They don't got that real heart. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the same. Speaker 1: What about passing your own guard? Speaker 2: Yes, maybe. Just because I would know exactly where to to mess with it, but that's a hard one. Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I've seen you play guard. I don't know if you could pass your own guard. I think eventually we would see like original Liz Clay or clone Liz Clay like grabbing her own foot and just like putting it by her head and it would just be like, well, this is this is impossible to pass at this point. Speaker 2: And that's it. Speaker 1: Yeah. But uh, yeah, that was pretty much the only hard-hitting questions I had for you. Speaker 3: Do you have a do you have a dream match that you would love to do? Maybe let's go all time. So any any competitor past or present, you know, we got magical powers, we're making clones. We're fictional. Do you have a dream match that you would love? Speaker 2: That's hard. I mean, there's only one person I really ever looked up to when I was coming up, which was Michelle Nicolini. So on I I think that's the only one that I could pull aside from that. Not really. But also there's different weight classes, which makes it not as good, but if I if I had to pick one, probably that. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 3: Oh, suddenly Liz Clay's worried about weight classes. After this weekend, I got Liz Clay telling me she's worried about weight classes. Okay, okay. Speaker 2: I don't like being a weight bully. In my head, I'm much bigger than I actually am. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: All right, Liz, well Speaker 3: 10 feet tall now, Liz. Speaker 1: Yeah, for real. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: We we appreciate you calling in, you know, it was great to get your perspective on everything that went down. Obviously, like Reed said, you know, it was an unreal moment, a moment that's going to go down in history. But we appreciate you calling in. Thanks for doing your thing out there on the mats. It makes it fun for us to watch. But is there anything you want to say before you go? Maybe where can the people follow you, all that stuff before you get out of here? Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, just I want to say thanks for all the support and everybody that, you know, is following along, not just for this, but um, through all the highs and lows because that's really the big thing. But if you guys want to follow me, uh, Elizabeth Clay BJJ on Instagram is the best place. Speaker 1: Awesome. Speaker 3: Six-time world champion. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 3: Eight submissions. Absolute legend, Liz. Congratulations. So much fun to watch. You earned it. Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you, Liz. We'll let you get out of here. Speaker 3: Okay, I'll see you. Speaker 1: All right, there we go. Liz Clay joining the pod. Obviously, unreal moment. You said a lot of nice things about her, Reed. She didn't say anything nice back. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought she was going to go on a nice little. Speaker 1: Yeah, I was kind of I was waiting. I was like, okay, let's do a little pause for her to, you know, give Reed some. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: No, yeah. Speaker 3: I feel like did I almost get Liz a little emotional there too? I feel like. Speaker 1: Liz said she didn't cry in a match before. She cried at Brazilian Nationals. I remember that I believe it was Brazilian Nationals. I think it was a very significant moment where I was like, oh my God, I just saw Liz Clay cry. I've never seen her express any emotion, but Speaker 3: Really though, no, it's been crazy following Liz Clay's career and and, you know, we we've we've gotten to kind of go to Liz's gym over the years and hang out with her over the years and stuff like that. And she's just such a G, you know, she's just really is a is a girl who just puts it on the line every single time, winner or lose, you know, and so. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, Nogi, exactly, you know. So it's just like she just really embodies what we all love and why we kind of start this this Jujitsu thing in in in the first place, you know. And uh and yeah, just I just remember her at 16 years old winning, you know, just being like, who's this girl? Who's this this this girl from Alaska that's a blue belt that's kind of going out here and beating all these black belts and stuff. Speaker 1: Guys, her head's are shaved. She got the thing on top. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, had like these crazy hairstyles. Yeah, had like like the braids, like like she looked always looked like. Speaker 1: That's like one of the only times I've seen her with uh like her hair just long and looking normal. Speaker 3: Yeah, she was mean and intimidating even as a 16-year-old, you know. And just, you know, she's had the the ups and downs over the years and we've talked a lot about Liz Clay, but uh just just the the run she had is is just so incredible, you know. And uh yeah, I don't know. I just had to make sure that she really knew exactly how how important this is for for Jujitsu and for the fans and everything like that. It's a moment that we don't get all the time, but when we do get a moment like that, it is just so sweet, so sweet. Speaker 1: For sure. And especially for like the landscape of you now, we're we're now going to start entering the IBJJF Gi season again. And it kind of it reopens up so many things, you know, now that like, all right, Liz Clay got a submission, went over Gabby Pastani. Now it's like when we go into Euros, it's like, okay, well, I don't know what's going to happen in the absolute now. Before it felt so like sure fire. Like I know Tani got the win over Gabby, but Gabby was able to get that back so quickly, you know, that it was back to kind of being like. Speaker 3: She beat her at that same tournament. Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. So it was kind of like, okay, yeah, no, it still feels like if Gabby's in, Gabby wins. But, you know, now the doors are kind of blown off that. It's like, I don't know. More people can study that match. Like I think that is a match worth studying too. And also, if you want to get good at leg locks, you should be studying Liz Clay. Like Speaker 3: 100%. Speaker 1: one of the best leg lockers in the game right now. Pretty incredible. So, yeah, shout out Liz. That was awesome. Speaker 3: That was totally awesome. Uh, I feel like I've said a bunch of times on this show. Uh, step one to being Gabby Pastani is you have to be a certain level of big and strong and uh Liz just blew that up. And that is no longer the case. Fair enough. Uh, yeah, absolutely legendary performance that we'll talk about as one of the best performances that we've ever seen for the rest of the time that we're talking about Jujitsu. Right? It just doesn't get any better than than what we just watched Liz Clay do over the weekend. She was definitely the story. There was a lot of amazing stories in Nogi Worlds. Uh, 17 new Black belt world champions crowned in 2025, you know, some of them won before, but still. Uh, but yeah, I mean, just Liz all-time run. Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that this Nogi Worlds, like, you know, Liz was talking a little bit about the uh the the women's Jujitsu scene there at the end and everything like that. And and this Worlds, it felt like there was better storylines in the women's. Speaker 1: Women stole the show. Speaker 3: Women stole the show. You know, it's like we had Helena, we had Cassia Mora, you had Adele versus Anna, which was a huge match we're all looking forward to. Like, there was a lot of great storylines in the in that women's division. And probably as as I was watching it live, like I was more interested to see who kind of what happened in these women's divisions than than some of the men's divisions, to be honest. Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the women stole the show in what was already an event for me that I felt was like one of the better Jujitsu events I've seen in a long time. Like even if you just look at the finals, I believe there were 11 submissions in the finals out of 19 matches. That's like a 58% submission rate. Like honestly, if we get a 60% sub rate on WNO, which is sub only, it's kind of like, okay, sick, that was pretty good, you know. So like, pretty unreal event overall. Like kudos to the IBJJF. Like this was this one felt like a pretty pretty sick one, you know. But for sure, I thought the female stole the show. Where do you guys want to kind of start with recapping all of this? You know. Speaker 3: Yeah, we could bounce around to a lot of different places. The number one person that I was really impressed with over the weekend, if I could start here, Cassia Mora, jumping all the way up to heavyweight. She jumped up four weight classes. She looked Speaker 1: You were all over this one. Speaker 3: unstoppable the entire tournament. I was all over it. Man, watching Cassia, maybe I'm just a mark for Cassia Mora. But she's just one of these people who like when and there's only like two or three of these people that I can name in any generation. Where like as soon as they start fighting, it's like, oh yeah, well, obviously she's going to win. You know what I mean? Just like this like aura, energy, vibe. Uh, she's facing Nia, who's incredible and 50 pounds or 40 pounds bigger than Cassia. And as soon as the fight started, I was like kind of wondering who's going to win, who's going to win. And as soon as they touched each other, I was like, clearly Cassia. Clearly Cassia's going to take this. Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the most impressive things was like her takedown game, especially in that finals, you know, she's just hitting um, it was kind of like the drags. Yeah, drag, drag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, that was one of the most impressive things, especially being 40 pounds lighter or whatever it is. And she was she was just throwing takedowns left and right too. You know, you usually think that as the like the the larger kind of more physical person is going to be doing that. But Cassia, you know, was was throwing down at heavyweight. So, that was an impressive performance from her, absolutely. Speaker 1: What did Bruno Bastos tell you afterwards? Speaker 3: If you want a girl to get good at Jujitsu, send them two, three years Midland, Texas and forget about it. Speaker 1: That's right, dude. Speaker 3: Trey's on that. Trey's on that. Speaker 1: 100%. What what did he say anything about uh like 28-year-old guys? Speaker 3: Uh, he might be able to like help you. I don't know if it's the exact maybe don't forget about it. Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget. You're going to have to stay super locked into. Speaker 3: You got other options open. Speaker 1: You're going to have to stay super locked into. Keep some other options open. Yeah. But, you know, Bruno got a sick thing going out there in Midland. Speaker 3: Absolutely. We're we're big fans of Midland. Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's all about, dude. Midland, Texas, man. I dream of the day I retire out in Midland, just look at the oil fields, just checking behind every pump jack for a pretty girl, you know what I mean? Midland's where it's at. Midland's the bee's knees, but, you know. What else was sick? Helena Kvar. Speaker 3: Yeah, Helena Kvar got her, you know, um, Black belt world title, you know, we've been watching Helena, it seems like for a long time now, but she just finally has arrived to the Black belt divisions. And uh she's must watch Jujitsu out there for sure. Speaker 1: She went all submissions too. Speaker 3: She went all submissions. All submissions. Incredible. All submissions. Wow. Speaker 1: Yeah, she was on fire. Uh, Helena's had a crazy year, you know, getting her Black belt, becoming WNO champion, CJI champion, uh, beat Liz Clay earlier this year in a crazy super fight. Uh, you know, after a weekend like this, I even want to see that run back, to be perfectly honest. Yeah. Uh, yeah, but uh uh Helena looked awesome. I I think we might have the video coming in here in a minute. Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Ann put up put up a good good fight here. Speaker 1: Ann's super tough. ADCC trials champion beforehand. Uh uh, you know, she had a Salah Samola earlier in this tournament, did Helena, who was the defending Nogi World champion, submitted her. So this is no easy path, you know what I mean? By the way, we're talking about a lot of European names. We got to talk about Europe here in a second. Uh, but yeah, Helena just looked uh on fire and and looked totally dominant here uh as a 18, 19-year-old uh uh debuting Black belt. Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're going to see Helena here in these divisions for a long time to come. You know, obviously, I think we all want to see the Cassia Mora match potentially and and, you know, the Sarah Galvao match in there. She's going to be in there as well. So there's some interesting matches for for Helena going forward. But uh just, you know, what she she's pound for pound number one. Speaker 1: Pound for pound number one. Speaker 3: Uh, the pound for pound, yeah, it's going to be her number one, Elizabeth number two. Uh, and then tune into the rankings to see the rest soon. Speaker 3: Yeah, so just an incredible, you know, rise that we've really watched over the last couple years for Helena and now she's finally here at Black belt and she is the girl to beat. So. Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah, definitely. Putting up 19 points and then getting the submission in the in your first Black belt Nogi World final is so crazy. But. Speaker 3: Totally dominant. I love how uh busy Helena stays, you know, uh uh I think that we see some people who they reach that like number one status or that pound for pound status, or they just get so established in their career that they don't really want to head out to tournaments like this. Uh uh Helena's not like that, right? Helena's staying super busy, wants all the smoke that she can find and uh I'm really appreciative of that. You know what I mean? That she could be somebody who is like a Gordon Ryan type in Nogi, but also every year will show up to Nogi Worlds and still just stomp out a bunch of people. Speaker 3: Let's talk about the uh the European invasion this year. You know, we're we're a big Euro podcast here and what they had who was it? It was 12 total nationalities? Speaker 1: Eight different nationalities won a Black belt world championship over the weekend. Uh, multiple for the first time, including Scotland. Uh, for the first time, Panama, for the first time, Australia, for the first time, Crown Black belt world champions. Uh, Tarek Copstock from Norway was a world champion. Uh, Canada also had one in there. Speaker 1: Lillian Marchand for Canada. Panama from Panama. Speaker 3: Panama, the other one. Speaker 1: Uh, and then yeah, you had guys like Poland with Pavel, Ferris from the UK. Uh, you know, people medaling all up and down the weekend. Let's see we saw with Ann in the finals. Just a ton of different nationalities represented at the highest levels of Jujitsu, which is an incredible thing. We've been talking about for a long time how the globalization of Jujitsu is happening. There's a couple different reasons for that. I think, you know, uh uh instructional sites to be perfectly honest, where people can get high-level instruction around the world are a big part of that. And uh I think we're seeing that really pay off. The more we can get a lot of cool, interesting, different backgrounds in the game, we're just going to be all the better for it. Speaker 1: Yeah, one dude I want to talk about representing the European scene. There's a there's a couple that's pretty sick that they got the the Dubski, you know. But Shay Montague, bro. Shay Montague is so awesome. Speaker 3: He was awesome. Speaker 1: I I kind of made this. Speaker 3: He's just a fun dude to watch. Speaker 1: 100%. Speaker 3: He's a fun guy to watch. He's like always smiling. He's always kind of doing something. Speaker 1: With the craziest hair. Speaker 3: Yeah, the hair, the mustache combo. You're like, where's this guy from? You know. He's got some, you know, creative, wild, weird Jujitsu, which which I appreciate too. Just seeing somebody do some different things out there. And Shay's been on on this this hunt for a little while. So it's been awesome to to see him kind of realize his dream. Speaker 1: Absolutely. Coming back off a knee injury. He had a an ACL uh reconstruction that he had to go through. Uh like not that long after he got his Black belt, but uh he busy stayed in the game, got it done. Yeah, honestly, Lucas Castro was sick to watch as well. Like a couple dudes throwing it down uh in the roosterweight division. Shay might be the number one guy who looks like the name of his weight division. All right? It's it's harder for other divisions. Speaker 3: He looks like a rooster. Speaker 1: I do think Shay Montague looks like a rooster, bro. And I and I mean that with the utmost respect and as a compliment, Shay. It's like this dude, I if you put him side by side with a picture of a rooster, Shay looks like a rooster, dude. It's freaking awesome. There's not a lot of guys like, I've never seen a medium heavyweight look like medium heavy, you know what I mean? Speaker 3: The Negras kind of look like a light feather. Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. They might be they might be on the list. But Shay, look at that. That is a human rooster, dude. Just a Scottish rooster. Absolute legend. And I I hope, you know, I I don't know Shay personally or anything, but I'd like to think that he would he would understand that that's a huge compliment, a huge honor to be considered the rooster himself. So, shout out Shay the rooster Montague. Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in the finals. What could be better? Speaker 1: I got to say I I was really pumped for uh for Tarek, you know. Tarek that was crazy. Tarek obviously, you know, a guy we've been watching for a long time as well and you know, we're we're all we're all big fans of the Tarek Oplata and stuff. So we're always talking about Tarek and and everything just in the gym. Um, Tarek's a guy who who we've been watching for a long, long time and we've known has been at that level, you know. We we've known that he he's right there, you know, and he just always kind of was coming up short a little bit, some silver medals, some some bronze medals throughout the years and stuff like that. Um, so just really happy to see Tarek, you know, kind of punch punch his ticket through, get the gold medal because he's a guy who deserves it, you know. He he's put the work in, you know, he influences the the whole Jujitsu community with with his technique and everything like that. So to see him kind of finally get over that hump and get one of the biggest uh titles of his career. That that was well deserved. So really happy for for Tarek cuz he's somebody who's been killing it for a long time. Speaker 1: Do you think the Tarek Oplata is the most like prevalent move that's named specifically after one person? Speaker 3: Might be. I mean, the Locky Lock might be uh. Speaker 1: I did see one this weekend. Speaker 3: You did see a Locky Lock from uh Nadia Franklin. Speaker 1: Okay. Like I I just feel like the Tarek Oplata won, everyone is hitting Tarek Oplata. Everyone loves Tarek Oplata. You just see it in every gym, every competition, you know. I don't know if there's another uh submission that's as like you like used as the Tarek Oplata. Speaker 3: The Marcelo Teen. Speaker 1: I would say the Marcelo Teen would be the next one that comes to mind. Speaker 3: Marcelo Teen's up there. The uh Ricardo Oplata, of course, uh who uh no, I'm kidding. Speaker 1: The Ricardo Oplata. Yeah, uh uh, I mean, to see Tarek do this, yeah, for him to to to add to Jujitsu the way that he has with the Tarek Oplata, his legacy was already kind of like golden, you know what I mean? We were always going to talk about a guy like Tarek Copstock, but now uh anytime you talk about him, you have to talk about him as Black belt world champion, right? That's going to be forever. That's an incredible uh, you know, result from him. He looked super tough all weekend. He played the game when he had to. He turned it up when he had to. Uh, he got it done. It was especially cool to see him with somebody that used to be like kind of a rival, Tommy Longker. Now they're best friends. Speaker 1: In his corner. Speaker 3: In his corner. Uh uh, now that was really cool to see. Tommy was, you know, the most fired up person in the in the whole building after Tarek won. Uh, and that was awesome to see. After after I was interviewing uh Tarek, that was funny. He uh I was like, how are you going to go celebrate this? He's like, uh, nothing crazy. Just going to go get a beer with Tommy Longker. Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, which one is it? Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, call call us in three days, bro. When you guys just wake up somewhere. Speaker 3: Wake up. They're still going. Speaker 1: Yeah. But uh, you know, we kind of talked a lot about Helena and like how Helena's so young in her Jujitsu career and how we're going to see her for so long. Another girl/girls that we're going to keep seeing for a long time. Ashley Funegra. Ashley ended up getting the win, you know. Obviously, her and Mia fully arrived now, just kind of dominating. Speaker 3: Are you 100% sure that that was Ashley? Speaker 1: You can never be 100%. Mia was the other one. Let me rephrase that. The other one was around. Okay. Ashley Funegra was available. Ashley was looking really tired and then the next match she looked really refreshed and. Speaker 3: Yeah. I did think that way. I was like, well, if one only does Gi Worlds and the other one only does Nogi Worlds, this does kind of open things up. Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, no. Uh yeah, but that was awesome to see. Uh Ashley is uh an incredible representative of Jujitsu. You know what I mean? She fights super hard. She was all submission up until the finals. Uh, you know, she's super respectful. She's, you know, super she has a good personality. Uh uh only 18 years old, I think, maybe young, you know, maybe 19. Uh uh just had a Black belt for for six months. Probably could have been in the World finals with her sister, you know, solid chance if she had done Gi Worlds as well. She was she's right there on that level as well. Um, so just an awesome awesome performance from this young AOJ Black belt. Speaker 1: Yeah, not to bring it back to this. And I'm not saying they did this. I don't think they actually would. But if you had a twin, you got to try that at least, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's like you got to hit a Naga or like a like a grappling industries and you got to do that. You got to go one match in, one match out just for fun, dude. That would be so sick to try and pull that off. I might pull it off with my non-identical brother. Speaker 3: I got a brother who looks a lot like me. Doesn't do any Jujitsu and we would have to enter as Black belts. Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, no, you got to get him to enter as a white belt. And then I show up. Yeah, exactly. You just got to get him to win the first and you'll take it from there. Imagine you do that and then you end up being the one who lose. Your brother's like subbing everybody. You're going to like two two draw like decisions. Speaker 3: Waiting there for a decision to get read out like real nervous. Like, I really thought that. Yeah, I don't know. I got stuck in his closed guard for a really long time. I'm really sorry. It's just I didn't think he would have a really good closed guard. Speaker 1: Yeah. That would be sick. But what what else? Speaker 3: AOJ looked, you know, obviously they had a lot of great athletes throughout the whole weekend as well. AOJ just continuing to prove that we're they're one of the the the best teams in in the country as well. Um, you know, Atos, I believe won the team title. Speaker 1: Yep, men and women. Speaker 3: Men and women. Um, you know, crazy good. Yeah, I was just going to give another shout out to Lillian Marchand, you know, we saw her have some great performances at brown belt this year, but was it her first Black belt tournament? Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, not her first tournament, but uh uh cuz she was also at Nogi Euros. Didn't have the best performance, turned it all around here. Looked incredible. Uh uh I feel like Atos is always good for a couple of those, right? Where they just have like one or two people who just like have the most locked-in tournament of their life for whatever reason, like when you show up to this World Championships. Speaker 3: And so she had some big wins uh along the way as well, right? I believe she beat um. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, Bruno St. Marie. And uh then had a great performance there in in the finals. Got the submission in the finals. Speaker 1: Yeah, against Amanda Bruce, her teammate. Kind of a bummer there when teammates got to clash like that. Especially for like, you know, this dream team, like the all these girls at Atos are so close and everything. But obviously, you know, they're always down to put it on the line and stuff. But yeah, she got the sub there in the final. Speaker 3: And then and then I think the other person that we really got to shout out here is is the the double gold champion on the on the men's men's side is Roosevelt Souza. Uh, you know, the the lone male grappler to win both Gi Worlds and Nogi Worlds. So a huge year for Roosevelt. He had some big wins on uh WNO and and things uh as well. But uh really impressed. I believe what he got two two Riken chokes in in the absolute final and in weight class final. I was really impressed with how he like uh quickly he was able to take Hiki Jula's back with like a octopus guard. Speaker 1: Yeah, I was I was going to bring that up. Like Roosevelt Souza, big-time octopus guard guy. Like it was kind of like, this is kind of crazy. He was looking all over the place and I was like, oh shit, like Roosevelt's just just gunning for that octopus stuff here. Yeah. And he was able to like, you know, Hiki's a big dude and and he's had a lot of success on the global stage as well. And so for for Roosevelt to kind of take him out so quickly, I was like, wow, Roosevelt's on it right now. Speaker 3: No, I thought this was a great look at like, you know, studying technique and stuff. Like how Roosevelt's using the octopus guard, cuz like, I know you like to play octopus too. I like to play octopus, but I feel like I'm always just like playing around with it, you know, just seeing like, yeah, where do I go from here, you know? One time you and you got stuck in an octopus off. We were just couldn't we couldn't get out of the octopus. Yeah. But it was like, yeah, I like especially hitting it with someone. Obviously, Roosevelt's a huge dude, kind of an underestimated huge guy. Like when you see Roosevelt in person, it's like, this is a ginormous person. Hiki Jula might be the biggest dude in all of these competitions. Like ADCC, it's like Hiki's like the biggest guy. And to see him kind of pull it off and use it against such a big dude, I was like, okay, this is sick. I got to I got to go back and look at this. See how he's really taking the back and everything off of uh the octopus here. Speaker 3: I agree, man. You know, Roosevelt uh uh actually when I was walking into the venue the first day of Black belt, uh Roosevelt happened to be like right there with me. So we talked a little bit coming in. He seemed super loose. He seemed like he was like, you know, just just there kind of to just roll and do his day and and, you know, have a good time. And uh he looked incredible. I don't know if I've ever seen somebody that big look that fluid on the mats. That's so rare to be able to see and he was not facing a low level of opposition. He had some super tough guys. We all know that Elder is a super tough guy to be able to beat, let alone to look really good against, let alone to be able to submit is is super, super tough. Uh Gi and Nogi, the only men, the only male to win a Black belt Gi and Nogi World title in 2025 is Roosevelt Souza. And uh for a guy who only started at age 21. Speaker 1: It's crazy. Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. Speaker 1: Was this was this his first Nogi? Speaker 3: No, he's won Nogi before. Speaker 1: Yeah, last year he was in the finals against Roberto. Speaker 3: That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah. 23 that was. Speaker 1: Oh, that was 2023? I think so. Okay. Cuz then cuz then that's when Roberto won the absolute title and then in 2024 Elder won the absolute title. Okay. Uh and here we are. Gotcha. Yeah, Roosevelt, incredible uh, you know, run here late and everything. Super late in the year, I mean. Speaker 3: Nogi Pan double gold as well. Speaker 1: Yeah. So, incredible stuff. You know, obviously there's more that went down, but all the all the matches, everything's on Flow Grappling. If you guys want to check it out. But it's that time of year again. It's Flow Grappling Awards time. We're about to kick off the 2025 Flow Grappling Awards. We're going to be announcing all of the nominees rolling out in the next week and week or two. Uh, what all categories do we got? We got male grappler of the year, female grappler of the year, submission of the year, match of the year, juvenile of the year. Speaker 3: Coming back. Speaker 1: Breakthrough grappler. And breakthrough grappler of the year. So six categories for the Flow Grappling Awards. We're going to we're going to be kicking them off here in the next day or so. We're going to have the vote. We're going to get a form going so the fans at home can vote along and help decide, you know, who deserves some honors from this year. But it's always an exciting time, you know, recognizing people who are who are making the sport great, making it fun to watch. So, Flow Grappling Awards, it's going to be coming out here soon. Be be on a lookout for all the nominees dropping. Speaker 3: Yep, and we need your help. Absolutely. Make sure you get your votes in. We want to know what you guys think is the the biggest submission, the best match, the you know, the the biggest names of the year and everything like that. We definitely going to need your help to to do that. And just a fun time to kind of really take a look back at all the stuff that happened this year. Sometimes, you know, things in Jujitsu can move so fast and we forget, you know, the things that happened and stuff like that. So this is our time, the last kind of two weeks of the year just to take a look back at the year, some of the incredible performances, some of the breakthrough grapplers of the year. And yeah, I'm excited that we're going to kind of give some some love to the juveniles of the year too. You know, all too often we see these juveniles grow up to be Black belt world champions. So we got to get in early on these guys. Um, but yeah, definitely make sure you guys are voting for the Flow Grappling Awards. We're going to kick them off tomorrow on Flow Grappling. It's going to be all over social media and everything like that. So 2025 Awards, be on the lookout. Speaker 1: All right, Reed put me on the spot. I got to finish these videos. I was giving like, it'll be dropping soon. All right, I'll I'll do my job. I'll finish it, but. All right, well, thank you all for you know. Speaker 3: Now now this isn't going to drop for a day or two. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Tomorrow is like pushed back. Yeah. Well, we appreciate everybody calling in. You know, next week, we'll have another episode. Might should we do like a Christmas special? Should we I was thinking Christmas special to put to float this out there. A little peek behind the curtain, how the sausage is made, you know. Maybe we should draft like fictional characters who would be good at Jujitsu or something, huh? Santa Claus? Trash. I don't know. He would be good. But. Speaker 3: I feel like Santa Claus would be pretty good at Jujitsu. Speaker 1: He's a real half guard. Yeah, true, true. Real masters game. Just deep half, just nightmare in the gym, you know. Speaker 3: Bruno Bastos game, you know. Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we'll do something like that. Maybe I don't know. Maybe we'll get cool Christmas hats or something. But, you know, make sure you guys tune in next week to see what we end up doing. Thank you all for watching this episode and we'll see you guys in the next one.