#63 - Did Luke Griffith Go Too Far Against Felipe Pena?

Mach deinen Garten oder Balkon startklar für den Frühling zum besten Preis. Von bunten Blumentöpfen über robuste Gartengeräte bis zu tollem Outdoor Spielzeug. Bei Action gehen Qualität und der niedrigste Preis Hand in Hand. Entdecke jetzt alle Gartenprodukte in unseren Filialen und in der Action App. Action, kleine Preise, große Freude. Speaker 1: Alright, what's up everybody? We got another big show for everybody. We're going to be recapping who's number one 31. We're going to be recapping ADCC Asian trials and we're also going to be previewing Nogi Worlds. But I wanted to say that this show is presented by IM8, the all-in-one formula for fighters. Built for performance, trusted for recovery. Use code Flo Sports for 10% off and visit IM8health.com/flosports to get yours today. And now let's jump right into the episode. Speaker 1: back to the Flo Grappling show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Joey Gilbs right there, Big Uncle Reed right there. We kick Slack Bear out, dude. He's freaking gone, dude. He's off the show for good this time. I've had enough. Now, I'm just kidding. Slack's kind of sick. I think he's at home. But on today's show, we're going to recap who's number one 31. It all went down this weekend. We're also going to talk about ADCC Asian trials, and then we're going to preview Nogi Worlds a little bit. What do you guys want to kick it off? Do you want to go straight into the draft results? I know you're dying to know, Reed. Speaker 2: Sure. Speaker 1: I know you're dying to know. So last episode we did draft. Speaker 2: I know. I know I won. Speaker 1: Yeah, I we'll see, pal. All right. Speaker 2: I know you I know you didn't. Speaker 1: I'll inherit because I don't know I'll inherit Slack, so so if if if Slack wins, I'll I'll celebrate like Slack wins. Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure. Speaker 1: Yeah, Slack Slack drafted uh but he wasn't here, so now Joe's he's going to get the spoils of Slack's draft. Speaker 2: It's like a new GM when a GM gets fired, you got to inherit the team and the draft. Speaker 1: Exactly, yep. And and I've been a long time champion, you know. I've I've had a reign that's lasted as long as, you know, Gengis Khan himself, like, you know, that type of, you know, historic type of of reign. And on this draft, honestly, I'll just say it right now. I threw it on purpose. I felt bad. Speaker 2: Oh, you did. Speaker 1: I felt bad. I was like, I was like, I got to throw this. Speaker 2: Every reign has to come to an end and that's where we are right now. Speaker 1: I was like, I got to throw this, dude. Reed's threatening to quit the show behind the scenes. Like he doesn't tell you guys this, but every day he's pulling me aside and he's like, hey man, I don't think I'm going to do the show anymore. And I'm like, what? No, dude, the fans are always saying they love Reed. So I have to lie to him essentially every day. You know, it's nuts. Speaker 2: Caesar wanted to get stabbed for sure. Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Finally had enough. So I came in in last with six points. Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. Speaker 1: I it was a it was a sub hunter's draft. So if they get a sub in the first uh judge's favor, five points, second. Speaker 2: Are you are you embarrassed on your draft? looking back, you're a little embarrassed on it. Speaker 1: Not at all. I had a great draft. For for my matches, the fundamentals were solid. The results just didn't follow. Speaker 2: For for the matches that happened that I drafted, every match was a submission. So, you know, no goose eggs for Big Trey. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I drafted Helena versus Julia, Pato versus DeAndre, and Felipe versus Abe. Helena sub in the first judge's favor. Uh DeAndre Pato didn't compete. So I don't know if this was Reed, he'd be like, whoa, at least give me eight points for that one. Speaker 2: No, no, we'll give you the replacement match of Oliver versus Chris. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Speaker 1: Zero points. But I would I wouldn't have drafted it, but you know, I understand that's where I got to be. But if it was Reed, he was like, whoa, shouldn't I get at least like 15 points for that? Because they didn't even Speaker 2: You're you're this is revisionist history. That's not what happened. Speaker 1: And uh Felipe got uh last second submission for the one point. Slack drafted Gabby versus Paige, so zero points. Grayson versus Michael Banic, that was like a 30 second submission, so that was the fastest. Yeah. So five points there and then he drafted Nick Fritz versus Sean Magnus, also a first judge's favor, so that's 10 points. Now, here we go, Big Reed. The the moment of of uh whatever, whatever that saying is. Speaker 2: Mhm. Speaker 1: Moment of truth. He drafted Felipe versus Luke. Great pick. Luke got it uh in the first judge's favors, five points. Jocelyn versus Katie went to the second judge's favor. Speaker 2: No, it didn't. Speaker 1: Yes, it did. Slightly after. Speaker 2: No, it didn't. Speaker 1: Slightly after. Only nine minutes. Only nine minutes. Yeah, it's only So you had to get it with before six minutes on the clock. She got it at like she got it at like 5:50 or something or 5:20, something like that. Speaker 2: All right. And all right. Speaker 1: And Shanji versus Ferris, no submission. So Reed got second and then Joe. Yep. Speaker 2: Oh! Party on him. I always believed in this team. I always believed that I was going to come in first place. I always knew as I drafted that this was the route to go. This was the way that we were going to win. We believed in the system and the system paid off. Give me the belt. Speaker 1: Congratulations. Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Speaker 1: I there's no one Really good. There's no one else I'd rather be passing that along to than Joe and Slack's team, I guess collective team. It's just, you know, these guys understand the sport. These guys work so hard studying the matches. There's just no one else who deserves it. Speaker 2: It's about putting in the work behind the scenes. It's about putting in the work behind the scenes. It's just really believing in the system. Speaker 1: This is like Gordon passing along the heavyweight belt to Luke, you know, just being like, ah, I, you know, not a guy I could trust more with it. So congratulations, Joe, dude. You couldn't deserve it more. Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels great. It feels great. Speaker 1: I wish you want to say to Joe? Speaker 2: I wish I wish everybody would get to feel this feeling, but only certain people are going to be a champion. Uh uh but uh uh for right now, it just feels amazing. Speaker 1: Maybe say some nice words to Joe and Slack. Speaker 2: We got to check this math here again. You know, a classic Trey. Speaker 1: Did Ferris let you down? Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey stacking the deck against me. As always. Speaker 1: Well, you know, Can I can I You know? Can I feel it? Can I Speaker 2: I don't think that's You jinxed yourself last time. You touched the belt. Speaker 1: I don't think that's for the best that you you You So funny, this is the result we're talking about first. Speaker 2: You So funny, this is the result we're talking about first. Speaker 1: Well, this is the most important thing that happened, but So, you know, there's the there's the draft results there. Congratulations, Joe. You'll get to carry that until we do another draft. Reed's probably going to be like, whoa, let's oh, let's draft the favorite ways I like to fix my hair, you know. Oh, let's draft my favorite shampoos or something. Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like I got a good shot at these days. Speaker 1: I'm going to draft your face off the floor. Oh, dude. Oh, Reed, dude, I'll draft my face off the floor, dude. Come on. Speaker 2: Zoom in on this, Nikki. Can can we get a shot of what this belt actually is for the people? Uh Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to hide that a little. Speaker 2: The quarterly champion. Speaker 1: Quarterly social monetization champion uh for yeah, if you bring in a lot of social media money. Yeah. Speaker 2: Get a nice little belt. Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't if you're watching this, don't snitch on us to like the greater powers at Flo Sports. I just stole that off someone's desk and was like, this is now our draft belt. Speaker 2: I've never seen them hand this belt out to somebody. Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I decided that that was going to be our draft belt. So I kind of snatched that. Don't tell don't tell anybody here. If this if you're watching, this is just a little secret between us and you guys, all right? Don't go running and tell anybody get us in trouble. This is between us. Thank you guys. I know we can trust you. Speaker 2: One one day, victory is going to be so sweet. You know, I'm going to dunk on Trey so hard. Speaker 1: New York Jets been saying that for about 30 years. Speaker 2: Hey, hey, they'll have their day too. Speaker 1: Yeah, the goddamn Jets, dude. You're the Jets of the draft. At least got to be the New York Football Giants, man. Come on. Speaker 2: No, I'm the uh Kansas City Chiefs of the draft. Speaker 1: Just kind of a lot of potential but blowing it this year. Speaker 2: Maybe. Speaker 1: Having a tough year. Speaker 2: Just having a I haven't a tough year like, you know, making making all the plays. But it's just like it's a game of inches sometimes. So. Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. All right, let's get into some actual WNO recap. We got to probably start it off with the main event, right? Luke Griffith and Felipe Pena. Obviously, huge match. It's the third match in the trilogy. Uh couple big boys going out there for the heavyweight strap. It's been a while since it's been on the line. I think we got to roll in now if we could show it. But uh yeah, going into this, you know, when we get there, we get to start talking to the athletes, seeing how they're feeling and everything. Like I thought I thought Felipe seemed super like calm. He seemed prepared, you know. Of course, Luke did as well, but there was just like when you're just looking at both guys, it's kind of like, ooh, Felipe feels like settled and like ready for this. Like maybe Luke had a little more nerves it seemed, but that's obviously not how it played out. Luke looked great. What do you guys think about this one? Speaker 2: Man, incredible performance. You've seen Luke get so close so many times and he ends up taking the back and and getting the win here in this match and you feel great for Luke just having seen him through so many trials and tribulations, getting close, falling short, getting close, falling short. Uh but he came out here and this is the best version of him we've ever seen, you know, this is the kind of thing that we've seen Luke do to a lot of people. But this is Felipe Pena. This is not just everybody, right? This is not just some guy. Uh and and it was a beautiful finishing sequence. When he got to the back and like locked up the body triangle, there was a very real sense in my head of this is a critical moment in Luke Luke Griffith's career. If he gets all the way here and still loses this match, this is just he's never going to get over that hump. Speaker 1: Well, cuz the back take was essentially ADCC 2024 finals, right? Like it was very similar. Like once he starts getting to the back, he kind of has one hook. It's like looking like he could get the back, but then at ADCC, Felipe got out, turned the tables, now Felipe wins. This time he was able to actually fully secure the back, get the finish. So that was like kind of a crazy like parallel moment where I was like, this is very similar to what we saw and Luke couldn't get it done. And now we're seeing it again and he just would not be denied in this in this time. Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a cool breakdown video uh the difference between the two. Speaker 1: For sure. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. No, definitely definitely felt the tension, you know, beforehand at the at the press conference, the media day and stuff like that. Obviously, Felipe and Luke were very civil, but like anytime they're around each other, even just talking to one one another, it's like you could just feel kind of like there was a little bit of tension and you felt it a little bit more from Luke's because I feel like Luke was really feeling the pressure of like, man, I can't lose to Felipe a third time. That would like you said, that would be kind of like detrimental to his to his career. And so I think that that there was just a lot of pressure on on Luke. Felipe's always kind of a little laxidasical, especially in these media days things and stuff like that. He's just kind of the almost gets swept up at the finish here. Speaker 1: Almost gets swept. Speaker 2: I almost thought there was a clash of heads there for a second, but there wasn't. I've gone back and looked a few times. And this is where, you know, Gordon's always talking about that scrimmage wrestling and stuff. You could see where Felipe was trying to kind of sweep Luke and in that in between, Luke was able to kind of like wrestle up and and take his back here and I I thought it was going to go off the mat for a second and I didn't think that that was going to be good. But Luke able to keep it on the mat here and, you know, obviously, a lot of talk, a lot of controversy about this finish here. You know, we can just watch it, obviously. It doesn't look doesn't look fun. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that is one thing I guess I wanted to get into. Should we get into this aspect of it or should we kind of I I kind of want to look at the Speaker 2: Let's talk through the match. Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to look at the uh the back take again cuz or at least when they start wrestling up, is he like hit a slide by or something? How does he get to Felipe's back right here? It's a little weird. It's like boom and then and then now he's just kind of I guess he kind of comes up like you would come up on a half guard with an underhook, right? Like no. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's all that body lock. Speaker 1: Yeah, no no wizard, so I'm going to the back kind of Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all off that body lock and yeah, Luke's always been a killer with this body lock able to get to the back with it. All the the Kingsway guys really are. Uh yeah, man, Felipe uh uh ends up turtling and and bailing out and then you see Luke is just all over him and able to spin with him and spin with him and spin with him. And then he locks up that body triangle. Once the body triangle's locked up, the rear naked choke follows. Incredible sequence. Speaker 1: Right whenever Felipe uh swept him or at least off balanced him. Like I I right here in live time, I was like, oh man, is he going to get into a bear trap from here somehow, you know? Because it's like that's kind of been a lot of his success against especially against new wave guy or Kingsway guys, you know, in the past and everything. And just something Felipe is so good at as the bear trap that I was like, ooh, if anybody can find a way to get into a weird bear trap and start making things kind of crazy here, it's Felipe. So at first I I definitely thought uh maybe this was going to play out differently in that exact moment, but Luke was hip to it, dude. He immediately took the back off of it. And this time he didn't he did not want to let Felipe out. Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously he got to that position kind of similarly at ADCC as well. So you had to think that he's thinking in his mind, man, I cannot lose the back. I cannot lose the back here. And Felipe just has that has such good back defense. You know, he he almost does get out in the way he's kind of clearing the the far hook, like Speaker 1: And this is only three minutes into the match, too. Speaker 2: I I wonder a little bit earlier in the match there was that takedown as well and I I think it deserves to be said that that was a really good takedown from Luke. I wonder if that was a little bit of uh Felipe accepting the takedown so he could just play guard, sub only, long match. Uh but I also thought Luke's wrestling looked incredible. Honestly, this is an incredible result for him and now he's not just the WNO heavyweight champion, he's the number one ranked heavyweight on earth and he's going to be the favorite heading into the next ADCC in all likelihood at least. Speaker 1: Incredible. But yeah, I guess I guess or you're pointing back to the uh Speaker 2: Yeah, here's that takedown. Speaker 1: Let's look at this real quick. Yeah, it's like just a a short little single leg high crotch kind of just puts him right down off of it. Speaker 2: And Luke has so much success off the feet. So I thought kind of Felipe was going to kind of come out and just like pull guard immediately because Luke has so many attacks where he gets to the back off the feet. So I was a little surprised to see that Felipe was down to wrestle with him as much as he did. Speaker 1: I think he'd probably was just thinking like, let's exhaust him. Let's get him tired, pulling the head. Speaker 2: Yeah, starts. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's uh it's hard not to make the comparisons about Felipe and Gordon whenever Felipe's fighting one of Gordon's main guys, you know. But like in if you think about the Gordon matches, Felipe would always come out and they would do that very tall, like they would both just be standing straight up and down, kind of clubbing. Speaker 2: Collar tie. Speaker 1: Just collar tie back and forth. Like that's the kind of the way they kicked off the first like 15 minutes it felt like of their matches, you know. So maybe Felipe felt like he was going to do a lot of that, but Luke kind of just went straight into some wrestling. Speaker 2: So, killer back take here. Obviously, a lot on the line. You got the whole Kingsway team on on the side here. It's in Austin, Texas. A lot of guys cheering for Luke and everything like that. So obviously, you know, the place is going crazy when Luke's doing this here. And um Speaker 1: Let's talk about what happened after the match. Speaker 2: Sure. Speaker 1: Yeah, so so obviously there's a lot of controversy going on online. And so I guess I want to ask you guys, like, do you think Luke went too far right here? Do you think he actually did something bad? Do you think like, you know, everyone's freaking out about it. So it's like, I guess what are you guys's thoughts on this? I'll give mine as well, but I wanted to open it up first. Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I I'll say, you know, it I understand why Felipe's mad, 1000%, you know, it's like if if anybody were to do that to me or anything like that, I I'd be livid, absolutely. Um, you know, even if it is just a just a second extra or something like that, you know, you know, so I understand Felipe's frustration. I, you know, I'm not sure I quite understand everybody else's frustration. I think it's a big match. There's a lot on the line. You know, um, the adrenaline's going. You know, it it looks to me even like that that Luke kind of has his hands kind of kind of locked and like stuck. Speaker 1: Like trapped. Speaker 2: Yeah, trapped almost. You know, I think it's like his his kind of facial reaction that is really kind of making everybody Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like he puts a little extra sauce on it, right? Speaker 2: It looks it looks like he kind of squeezes a little a little extra, you know, I'm not 100% sure if that's Speaker 1: Should we pull this in, Nick? Like right here, then he gives the facial like Speaker 2: Back it up just a a smidge here, but obviously this is a huge moment, a huge victory for for uh for Luke. Yeah, it doesn't doesn't look great, but you know, again, again, I I I really I don't fault Luke Luke to be honest, just because I feel like there's so much on the line. There's a lot of adrenaline. Did he not respect the the tap? I mean, he he eventually lets go and it's it's a second or two after maybe the referee's starting. So Speaker 1: I saw someone say 1.5 seconds. Speaker 2: 1.5 seconds. So I I don't think there's any anything malicious that that Luke did to be honest, you know, and um we this these things happen before, these happened in MMA sometimes. You know, the the adrenaline's going really hard and everything like that. So I don't fault Luke too much to be honest. Um but I I do understand Speaker 1: I understand Felipe. Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do 100%, yeah, understand why Felipe is is so angry. So I don't know. It's it's it's it's a delicate situation there. Speaker 1: For sure. What do you think, Joe? Speaker 2: Definitely. I'd like to start by saying I think that the referee Gabriel did a really, really great job and did exactly what he was supposed to do and really helped deescalate things very quickly. Pedro Mourinho was also on the mat, deescalating things very quickly. Appreciate both of those guys for for uh keeping a calm head, keeping a cool head in the middle of all that. Shout out. Uh I think Luke held a little too long. I think Luke was trying to go from 100 down to zero uh uh and was not able to do that fast enough. Uh and uh uh he's going to catch flack for that. Fair enough. I think uh uh you know, he he was caught in the fight, caught in the moment, tensions are high, aggressive combat sport. Uh I don't think it was like egregious to the point where like we would like strip him or any, you know, anything crazy like that. That's great, you know. Uh but yeah, he he just has to wear that as like a thing that happened and and you know, move on from it. But you know, we've seen Luke fight so many times and it's never really been crazy issues, so I think we're we're, you know, he'll be okay. Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Speaker 2: He's got an aberration, I guess. Speaker 1: For sure. I I mean, my take on it is like a whole lot more of the same of what you guys are saying, you know. I think I think like if you look back a little bit in recent time and I know these guys have already heard me say this is kind of what I've been saying since it happened is like, if you look at CJI, there's the John Carlo Taylor Perman match where they they said John Carlo tapped. He's like, I didn't tap, you know, but then he loses the match by submission. So like a little bit of like a, now this is awkward. Like everybody's looking at footage, trying to slow it down. Was it a tap? Was it not? And so it's like, okay, that happens. Then there's another one. Gio versus uh who who? Speaker 2: Balal. Speaker 1: Balal. And so it's kind of like, all right, well that one Speaker 2: Elijah Wagner. Speaker 1: Elijah Wagner. So it's like there's a lot of this weird stuff going on at CJI. Then we see Luke after all of this come out and fight Pato. And whenever he fought Pato, he gets a rear naked choke on Pato and he kind of held it a little long, to be honest. And I don't think that's a Luke is like, Luke's a bad guy. He holds chokes. It's like, I think we can throw that argument away. Like everyone online who's saying like, oh, Luke's a bad guy. Like I keep seeing this. You guys are you guys are being silly gooses, dude. You might have to jump in the water if you keep saying that. Luke is genuinely one of the best guys in Jujitsu. It's like, we interact with these guys. I get that you watch videos of them and stuff, but people online who are trying to now peg Luke as like a bad guy, you're just wrong. Like it's just like, you've never interacted with him. You never talked to him. I think if you met Luke, if you see him out in a bit and you said, hey Luke, I'm Trey. Nice to meet you. You he would immediately be like, oh, what's up, man? I'm Luke. It's very nice to meet you. And you would immediately be like, oh, this guy must be one of the most genuine best dudes in Jujitsu because he just actually is. So I think this is my take on it. Obviously, Luke has knows what's really going on, so talk to him if you want the real details. I think Joe interviewed him. He gave some thoughts and everything. But I think Luke has been overcompensating because of some of those weird like, I didn't tap situations where he's going full on like the ref has to stop it. I'm not, you know, it's like the ref this is high level competition. The ref has to actually say like, stop and get my hands for me to stop because I do not want to end up in a weird diddy tap, diddy not thing. And I think he overcompensated it too far, especially in this one where it's like, all right, Luke, it's like Felipe's giving you a clear like tap. He's making it obvious, you know. But he's just doing a like, oh, I don't stop till the ref is like in there. And he got caught up in the moment a little bit, but I think Felipe 100% warranted response, to be honest. Like, it is potentially dangerous. Speaker 2: I would have done the exact same thing. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like potentially dangerous whenever a dude's choking you over your teeth. Like Robert Whitaker, we saw his teeth get smashed in in an MMA fight, you know, from uh from from a choke where his like front teeth like sunk back. So it's like it is dangerous. Like we do have to honor the tap, to be honest. And I think there's just been a little bit of an overcompensation for some of these weird like, I didn't tap things. Which to be honest, like, dude, we got to stop the like fake tap thing also. It's like no one's addressing the fake tap kind of culture that that led into this. Maybe I'm going to get fried for this take. I don't know, but it's like, I don't know. Like there's a lot of fake tapping shit that does go down in Jujitsu. Like that kind of has to stop if we want to care so much about honoring the tap as well. And I do think you have to honor the tap. It's like Ben Eddie's been very vociferous on his social media. I think Ben Eddie's making a fine point, you know, that the essence of Jujitsu, you have to honor the tap above everything. That is true. It's like potentially dangerous to not. And I think in these high level events, you know, maybe there's a slightly different type of uh dynamic of like, this is high level competition. It's like the referee's kind of responsible for this guy. I'm not as much. Maybe a little bit of an overcompensation though. So I don't fault Luke too much. I think, yeah, he might have messed up in this situation. And, you know, people mess up, but it's like is is Luke Griffith malicious? Is he a bad guy? No way. Should Felipe be as mad as he got? Probably so. So it's kind of like, I don't think anything that crazy happened from this, to be honest. Speaker 2: I I I was just going to say, yeah, and just on the respecting the tap thing, you know, obviously, and I think Luke would would agree like 1000%. He's a guy who respects the tap, you know, and and he held it one second long, you know, it's not like he didn't let go. He he did he he did let go. He just let go a second too late. So. Speaker 1: 100%. And I think you make a good point, Reed, about the nature of that choke. It's not like it was like a beautifully like worked in under the He wrapped his arms around Felipe Pena's head and squeezed until he got the tap. You know what I mean? That requires an incredible amount of force, an incredible amount of wedging that's going to be difficult to disentangle immediately. Uh and we see that with the new uh you know, modern rear naked chokes. I I remember for example, uh Gianni Grippo make a comment. Uh had a match at Nogi Worlds last year against somebody where uh he went in, did a very similar rear naked choke and the guy got really mad at him and and shoved him immediately after the match and, you know, they were cool after, but like, yeah, it was just it was hard to let go immediately. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not like this thing like doesn't happen. You know, it it does happen when this this is just the nature of the sport. We're locking in in submissions and and squeezing with with all our might to try to finish the match, you know, so I I don't I don't think it was egregious. I like I said, I understand why Felipe Felipe was mad and, you know, I'm I'm sure that he's not going to be he's not going to be uh set with this and until he gets it back, to be honest. Speaker 1: For sure. Speaker 2: You know, so he's going to be mad for for a while about this. Um, you know, and understandably, but, you know, I I think Luke's a good guy. Luke's a guy who respects the martial arts of what we're doing here and everything like that. And I don't think it was egregious. I don't I don't think it was intentional. Speaker 1: For some reason, the Jujitsu community is just quick to try and crucify people as well, which I think is maybe something we should uh Speaker 2: I think that's every community. Speaker 1: Take a take a Yeah, it is. It is. Just like, but we should just like, you know, we got to have a little benefit of the doubt, you know, when dealing with people, especially people like you don't know. Speaker 2: High stakes. Speaker 1: You weren't there. It's just like, it's hard to like think you know everything that's going on whenever you're just like watching a video of something, to be honest. Even even being there. It's like being mat side is like, well, shit, dude, I don't know what the freak just happened, you know? It's like, I can't act like, I can't walk over and just be like, oh, oh, boys, let me fire off everything that let me tell you all the stuff that just went down. It's like, dude, I don't know. Like, I got to talk to Luke. I got to talk to Felipe. I got to talk to a lot of people. Speaker 2: We've rewatched the match, you know, 50 times probably since then, you know, to really really understand exactly what happened. But Speaker 1: Yeah. But congratulations to Luke, you know, heavyweight champion now. Obviously, this is something that, you know, um he's been working for for for a long, long time and and uh he he's been at that kind of top spot here for the last couple years, not able to kind of finish the crest of the mountain and he and he finally did and and I think I think you could just see that the kind of weight off of his shoulders like immediately after it happened, you know, and he and he was pumped. So, incredible performance otherwise, though. Felipe is obviously one of the best in the world, has been for a long, long time. So anytime, anybody submits Felipe Pena, it's uh it's a huge deal. Speaker 1: Now, now that we have a who's number one heavyweight champ again, do you guys, what do you think of this division? Who do you think should kind of have claims to the throne? Who do you think uh should be kind of next challengers for this one? Speaker 2: Two guys immediately jumped to my I'll give three guys actually. Uh first guy that I would really like, I think thematically makes the most sense is Nikki Rod, right? CJI, Simple Man Kingsway, uh Nikki Rod just be kind in at WNO 27, which was a great performance from him. So I think there's definitely a lot to like in terms of that. Uh but can be a little hard to get the million dollar uh grappler to the table in the negotiation. Uh uh Speaker 1: He's got a lot of leverage these days. Speaker 2: Hard hard to find a number that works for everybody sometimes, right? But obviously, I think that uh everybody would love for that to happen. Uh and then two other guys that I think are both ranked inside the top 10 would just be really interesting matches. Yeah uh Yatam Bueno. Uh Speaker 1: Just be Big Dan. Speaker 2: Be Big Dan, beat his teammate. Ruslan. Beat Luke uh once upon a time. Uh big scare at Aiga. Speaker 1: At Aiga. Speaker 2: At Aiga. Passed his guard a bunch of times. Uh uh and I and I think uh maybe it's time we run that back. Speaker 1: Yeah. You got any thoughts on? Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think those are great matches, you know, hopefully somewhere down the line we we see this rematch between uh between Luke and Felipe as well. Obviously, Felipe wants it. We'll probably see it at the ADCC World Championships when we're there in Poland. So that makes me excited to to see it there potentially. Speaker 1: Yeah. Um Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Nikki Rod would be a great one, you know. I think eventually we could run back uh Victor Hugo as well. I I know Victor Hugo probably wants that one back as well. So there's some matches out there for him. Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely definitely some ways that the heavyweight division should start getting kind of crazy for who's number one, hopefully in 2026. Like I know obviously Maragali's Luke's teammate, but it's like feels like we should get Maragali back sometime soon, right? You know? Start seeing Maragali matches, who knows uh what kind of wins he starts putting together in the WNO heavyweight division. Michael Pixley kind of waiting out there as like a a little bit of a killer in the shadows, waiting to make some noise uh make some, you know, noise on the WNO circuit. So there's a lot of dudes that this could end up becoming a crazy division for in 2026. Speaker 2: 100%. Speaker 1: You want to dive into the co-main, Helena versus Julia Basher? Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it pulled up right here actually. So, um, you know, obviously, I think uh Julia going into this, definitely was uh the underdog, you know, but I was impressed with uh with Julia. She was able to get out of a couple of these leg entanglements early on in the match. Um, you know, Helena just such a such a relentless submission hunter here and and then you can see she was able to kind of get the ankle and she had gotten the ankle a couple times, but she she wasn't letting this one go. Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this was uh like you mentioned, it was a great performance from Julia, able to to hang and exchange for uh uh a little bit longer than I think people were expecting, some people at least. Uh but Helena just proving why she's number one pound for pound and, you know, this especially in Nogi, this is her world and and she's so skilled, so talented. Got to get a chance to see her again this upcoming weekend. She's going to try to win her first black belt world championship with the IBJJF. Very exciting to see. Uh but yeah, just here she's showing just that she is untouchable as a she's the best women's leg locker of all time. Speaker 2: I I Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead. Speaker 2: I like the uh chain mail like Knights of the Round Table uh little fit she's got there. Speaker 1: I I know that's got to be a reference, but I don't get it. That's got to be like an Assassin's Creed thing or something. Speaker 2: Well, I I Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if she'd be repping the Templars, which I think would would be the closest that would be too uh for Assassin's Creed. I don't know. That would be weird. Yeah, the Knights Templar. But like maybe it's a Crusader thing. I'm not going to lie. My dad hit me up. My dad was like, what is what's going on with this this outfit on Helena? Is she like, is she British or something? Is this like a European thing? And I was like, I got to be honest, like I don't know. Maybe she just likes Speaker 2: It is a Speaker 1: Crusader history or something? Speaker 2: It is a little Joan of Arc. Maybe she's doing a Joan of Arc kind of, you know, I could see that. Speaker 1: Okay, I can see that. But but cuz she's repped this before, right? Maybe not this exact one, but she's repped like that like insignia and everything. Speaker 2: I think she's wearing the she always wears the same like top bottom. So I I think uh uh yeah, I think she has worn this exact thing before and and yeah, I don't know. I got to ask her next time. Speaker 1: We we got to dive into this. Speaker 2: Everyone's like, don't worry. We'll get to the bottom of this. I I promise. Speaker 1: Sorry we were talking about Felipe versus Luke. We should be diving into this. I don't know what we're Speaker 2: Every every once in a while I will ask her about an outfit, but I feel like I do have to like temper it. Speaker 1: Yeah, asking Helena too much. Speaker 2: Every single time. I would just turn to this like, yeah, Joan Rivers, like, honey, honey, what are you wearing this time? Tell me. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, outfit watch with Joey with Joey Fitz. Speaker 2: Honestly, Nogi Worlds coming up, might be a dress for drown. Speaker 1: For drown. Yeah, I was going to say though, Helena being in at Nogi Worlds, I think is awesome. Obviously, because, you know, getting to see Helena compete more is a good thing. I saw Cassia Mora also bounced up to that heavyweight division, which is nuts. Speaker 2: But uh Helena moved down to medium heavy. They are not going to be in the same division. Speaker 1: Oh, okay. But I just think uh I was super excited for that too cuz Cassia Cassia might be like just the the the boogie man of this division. She already has a win over Sarah uh a few years ago now at Fight Pass. Black belt world champion, has only been a black belt for like a year, less, incredible. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: But I just think now Helena, if she can come out and win a black belt Nogi World title, it's like that's like one of the final Infinity Stones for this uh for this year, you know what I mean? Like she's kind of done it at CJI. She's done it at who's number one. She's kind of done it all over the place. And now if she can come out and also capture IBJJF, one of the other major promotions in the sport of grappling, it's like, whoa, that's incredible. Like doesn't matter the rules, doesn't matter the competition. Helena is just an absolute beast. So, uh definitely that'll be sick to see her there, but we'll we'll cover more Nogi Worlds as a whole a little later in this episode. But what do you what are you queuing up here? Shanji versus Ferris? Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to just take a look at real uh Shanji Ferris real quick. A very very exciting, interesting match. Obviously, the crowd in attendance was uh was very interested in this one as well. They a lot of six blades uh family in the crowd and everything like that. They went crazy when Felipe Costa won. Speaker 1: It's crazy. Man, nobody goes crazy in a WNO the same way a six blades crew does. It's crazy. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: They loved Shanji and they hated Ferris. They hated Ferris. Like Speaker 2: I still think the craziest WNO reaction I ever heard might be Lavato in Oklahoma. Speaker 1: That was pretty nuts. Speaker 2: That was that might be number one. That was a good one. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Um, but yeah, obviously a lot of a little bit of shit talk here and and trash talk uh kind of going into the match. Ferris from the UK, obviously, seemed to kind of uh, you know, obviously I think he has respect for Shanji, but he threw a lot of it out the window kind of in the lead up here. He was saying some things and whatnot. And, you know, obviously, we have nothing but the utmost respect for Shanji Hiberro, an absolute legend of the sport that I could never say a bad word about, to be honest. One of those guys who just who just lives what he says he lives. Like I said, that's about kind of Andre Galvao as well. You know, these guys who just kind of live the martial arts lifestyle, live the Jujitsu lifestyle, you know, to their core. And Shanji's a guy who does that. He does not have to come out here and and and test himself on the WNO mats. He did that 10 years ago. He he won seven world titles. He he won the absolute division at the IBJJF World Championships. He won two two ADCC World titles. You know, Speaker 2: Double Hall of Famer. Speaker 1: Double Hall of Famer. This man is is is on the Mount Rushmore of Jujitsu and, you know, like the reason we're all here, the reason why you're watching this, probably stems from from Shanji Hiberro or somebody like him, you know. So, so we have so much to appreciate that that Shanji laid this groundwork for all of us to kind of continue to enjoy doing Jujitsu, watching Jujitsu, making a living from Jujitsu, you know, a lot of that stuff is is due to Shanji Hiberro. You know, and he like I said, he doesn't have to come out here and test himself, but he does because he's a badass and because he he loves competition. It's in his blood, you know, and I don't think he was phased by anything Ferris said, you know. This ain't Shanji's first rodeo. But that being all said, you know, it was the Ferris show. Ferris, you know, and and he's he's so good on the feet, to be honest. He's a little underrated on the feet and I feel like he put a you know, he really showed off his wrestling and stuff like that here in his top pressure and things like that. And so very impressive performance uh from Ferris. You know, all those things being said about Shanji that he that he had had his day. You know, that man is still tough as nails and he would put it on all y'all, all of us, you know, so. Speaker 2: 100%. Speaker 1: Still super solid chance if Shanji were to enter like Nogi Worlds this week that that he could go in there and medal, you know what I mean? He definitely is still of a certain caliber, but Ferris is a guy who continues to just have amazing performances and beat really elite guys who are in their prime. He's in his prime. Uh uh and he's doing amazing. And yeah, I I just want to echo everything you said about Shanji Hiberro. We also saw, you know, I don't know if we'll talk about it, but the Marcelo stuff this weekend and there really is just a level of guy who no matter what happens at this point, they're they're already just minted. You know what I mean? And their legacy is already so pristine and so established. Uh that that, you know, nothing can ever uh uh really uh uh bring that down. And I think Shanji is absolutely of that level. Marcelo obviously, of course, as well. Uh yeah, and this was an enormous result for Ferris. I felt like for Ferris, this was a little bit of a coming out party. He got to show off some of his game with his great wrestling, got to show off some top game, got to show off his uh uh skills on the mic. Uh Ferris is a guy who's just going to continue to stir the pot for as long as he can continue to stay relevant and we should all be thankful for that. Speaker 2: And and look at how this is kind of shaped up now. I mean, it feels like there's a there's tons of people calling out Ferris now after. Everybody wants a match with Ferris now. Speaker 1: Lavato was pacing the mat. Like at wanting a match with uh he's like, King of the Gringos? Really? That guy's King of the Gringos? I'm King of the Gringos. Speaker 2: That's what he said. Speaker 1: I saw Ferris just dropped a uh a thing about Lavato. He called him a traitor though. He said, he said, you should have been the King of the Gringos. You know, you you were supposed to be our guy, but you flipped. Speaker 2: You were the chosen one. Speaker 1: You were the chosen one. Speaker 2: Well, Ferris, leave us out of all of that. Speaker 1: Yeah, Ferris is Ferris is having a Ferris will drag you into a bad place, dude. You'll start getting text from people you didn't even know had your number when you when you hang out with Ferris for too long. But I will say, Ferris, incredible villain. Like what a great villain to have in the who's number one world. And like I don't think Ferris would be sad at me for calling him a villain. Like I think Speaker 2: He put himself up today with a really call himself the villain. Speaker 1: Gotcha. I think he loves being the villain. He plays the villain so well. This is like a little bit of a I don't think Ferris is actually a villain, to be honest. He's like willing to say uh stuff that maybe a lot of people aren't, you know, which I guess if that makes him a villain, for sure. He certainly his persona is the villain and he leans into it. Like and just honestly, like a master class on the mic when it comes to like even after the win, he immediately gives Shanji the props, but then flips back to villain mode and goes, but this is a declaration of war. And it's like, damn, Ferris, you you kind of did the uh like the MJF, you know, kind of like, like, oh, yeah, no, I'm here for all of you guys, you know, you guys accept, I'm not, dude. I freaking want to destroy everyone. So. Speaker 2: I I think I think Ferris is being pretty authentic, you know. Speaker 1: For sure. Speaker 2: And and that's all I I all I really want to see sometimes, you know, when I'm when I'm when these guys are kind of, you know, going through the the ringer and everything like that, the press conference and and whatnot. Like I do think Ferris is just kind of like genuinely saying what's on his mind a lot of the time. So I appreciate that. Um, you know, and you mentioned Marcelo earlier, you know, like it is hard to say that it's like it is kind of a bummer to see these guys, you know, who who are legends and who who you revere and who Speaker 1: It'd hurt watching Marcelo. Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Speaker 1: That's why they're legends too, dude. It's like like Marcelo and Shanji like they didn't ever have to do another Jujitsu match ever in their life if they didn't want to, but they're just like so in it. Like they're so Yeah, they're just absolutely live by the sword, die by the sword where they're like, Marcelo's like, dude, I beat cancer. Why would I not come back and do Jujitsu matches, you know what I mean? It's like like, yeah, they'll take a loss, but like that's just adds to their legacy in my opinion, you know. It's like the fact that they're still doing this, like we'll see if a lot of these guys who are currently at the top now are doing this when they're 40 years old, like, you know, so only time will tell, but, you know, definitely big shout out to those guys. If there's anyone in Jujitsu that's a good guy, since we were talking good guys, bad guys a little bit earlier, Marcelo ultimate good guy. Like I think everyone should be able to agree that, for sure. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: But um I think one thing about Ferris that like maybe maybe it's obvious, maybe it's not, but like Ferris top tier tactician when it comes to Jujitsu matches. Like he he his corner was kind of funny for this match. He had PJ Barch, Owen Jones, Greg Saunders, DeAndre Corby, all in the corner. And he kind of talked afterwards about like how it was a lot of PJ who like built out this very specific game plan for like what he needed to do. Obviously, Owen was involved. And then he even like trained the day of with Greg Sauder and DeAndre and like took some stuff from them that he said he did in the match that they were kind of talking about like like for a 30 minute training session in the morning of the event. And he just like was able to apply it like in a very strategic way throughout this and it like obviously played out well for him. So I know he has a lot of good guys helping him kind of build a plan in his corner and I just think Ferris is like maybe sneaky really good at like having a plan and coming out and like executing it. So we kind of saw that uh on display here. Speaker 2: He also after the match, uh called out, we maybe not have to name names, the King of the Creonches. Uh you know, that's his words. Speaker 1: His words. Speaker 2: Uh uh yeah, the uh the King of the Creonches. I I that's not Lavato. Uh I I think he means Craig. Speaker 1: No. Speaker 2: I I think he means um Isaac Baens. Speaker 1: That is who he means. Oh. Yeah. Because of the stuff with Alliance and Isaac and Michael Langy. Uh I think I think when they were at in Brazil at BJJ Stars, Isaac was there and he was kind of like calling out Ferris a little bit. So I think Ferris now wants Isaac on BJJ Stars is one thing he was talking about. But yeah, he's referencing uh that Alliance stuff that happened throughout the last year. Speaker 2: Thought we were going to get a Ferris Craig match. Speaker 1: Yeah, no. He got a penalty right there. He saw bad boy Ferris. Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to pull it up. Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you are a villain, Ferris. Am I glazing, bro? These guys are going to call me out for glazing. Yeah, Ferris is a villain. Speaker 2: You're definitely glazing. If there's one thing Speaker 1: Michael Saints called you out for glazing. Speaker 2: So he gets his little foot sweep off the mat. Speaker 1: Yeah. And got a penalty. Look at look at him. He just sits there and takes it. He's just I thought this was I thought this was funny. He's like, yeah, I probably deserve a penalty. Speaker 2: He knows. He knows. Speaker 1: Um, all right. Dude, there was a there was one moment where uh it looked like he was going to start going for a Kamora and I was like, oh my God, Ferris, if you if you Kamora Shanji, that would be so insane. Shanji's too good though. Shanji didn't let that happen. But Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no. You almost got taken out at one point. Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost got taken. They come flying into me. I think it might have been earlier on. Train angry, uh, you know, one of the boys, train angry on Instagram. Depending on what he's posting. If he's posting bad stuff, he's not one of the boys. If he's posting good stuff, he is one of the boys. But he's always watching. He posted a clip of it and he was like, camera operator Trey Robinson, almost taken out middle match, but stays in the pocket. Can't wait to see the shot. And it's like, hey man, I didn't get the shot. I looked bad. I was shaking in my boots. Speaker 2: I wasn't recording. Speaker 1: I forgot to hit record on that one. But next time, I got you. No, I'm just kidding. I haven't looked back yet. Hopefully I got something. Speaker 2: We see the shot of Trey and he's like, fuck, fuck. Oh my God, no. Not like this. I'm in over my head. Speaker 1: But, you know, shout out Ferris, he did get it done, got the win there. Six Blades was not happy with him. They did not like him. I think there's some interesting Ferris matches to make. Obviously, Lavato wants it really bad. I don't know if I'm sold on that match yet. Maybe if these guys keep talking, I'll get sold, but I don't know if I'm completely sold, but I think there's definitely some interesting things to to uh have done. Before Sean before Ferris fought Shanji, I was a proponent of Ferris versus Sebastian Atard because Sebastian Atard is a top tier. Speaker 2: Also a good talker. Speaker 1: Great talker, great social media presence, willing to say kind of what's ever on his mind. And so I thought Ferris and Sebastian going back and forth, I thought that could be a crazy uh build up, but now I don't know. It's like you beat Shanji and now it's kind of like, maybe different matches make more sense, but Speaker 2: Might be a different tax bracket. Speaker 1: Yeah. It was good stuff. Six Blades crew, uh, you know, Reed, I don't know, uh, what you have queued up. Uh, if there's more to talk about. Speaker 2: No, yeah, you know, obviously we can talk, you know, Gabby had a big win and um Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say Six Blades crew got real happy when Laren Ginia picked up that crazy win. That was one of the best WNO matches that we've had in a long, long time. Uh that was really wild. Uh back and forth and Felipe Costa, you know, he finally does eventually pick up the submission win uh against Abe, but I thought Abe, uh you know, overperformed past anything that I that uh you know, uh uh I think a lot of people were expecting coming in and had Felipe's back for a long time and was really putting it on him, almost arm barred him. Felipe storms back, gets the reverse triangle. Uh but I thought that was a match where both guys really elevated themselves. Felipe is now had back-to-back WNOs where he had the match of the night. That's nuts. Uh Abe was taking on a guy who, you know, has been minted as the, you know, has has got it done at IBJJF, has got it done for ADCC. Uh and Abe went toe-to-toe with him every step of the way. It was it was awesome. Speaker 1: I I honestly think Felipe Costa is still like probably underrated for how good he truly is. Like he's an ADCC medalist now, obviously, the Nogi Worlds stuff. But like I still think kind of underrated, to be honest. And that's why to your point, like I was like, oh wow, dude, Abe is way better than I was giving him credit for. Like Abe's incredible as well. So like Abe might be big time underrated guy as well, you know. Maybe he can put together a trials run, something like that. We'll see more of Abe probably here in the future. But definitely this was a crazy uh Abe comes out, right? Takes Felipe's back early on. Speaker 2: Or no, Felipe Felipe takes Abe's back. Speaker 1: Felipe takes Abe's back. Doesn't quite take his back, but almost does. Almost takes his back, turns the tide. Abe then takes Felipe's back, right? Mounts him a couple of times. Okay, yeah. And then Felipe eventually gets that rear triangle arm bar. So, definitely a crazy back and forth. Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, like when I was watching, obviously, Felipe was doing really well in the beginning and then kind of Abe changed the tides there, you know, and and then he did kind of get out and get back to his guard, but to me it looked like I was like, man, it looks like Felipe is just done. It looks like Felipe has nothing left, you know, like it just looked like he was just very passively trying to stop him from passing his guard and it just looked like to me I was like, man, Abe just looks obviously big dude, you know, not a guy you want to be mounted on top of you and everything like that. Uh just has that body type for it where it just looks look miserable. But uh I think it just goes to show the the heart that that Speaker 1: Can we pause this real quick? Speaker 2: Felipe Costa has. Speaker 1: Should we pull up pull up this video? Go go back just a little bit. This is an important thing I want to address. Speaker 2: Is it the rash guard on Abe? Speaker 1: No. Play it play it. Wait till he switched the camera angle. Again, we need a new camera angle. I'm telling you guys, this is important. This is important that we're doing this. Even this was like, yeah, this is right when Abe was starting to put uh really put together some of his better work and and uh I don't know how far Reed went back. How far you Okay, pause it, pause it. Oh. Now you got to go back again. Pause it. Yes, I know exactly what you're going to say and I agree 100%. What are we doing with a judge wearing sunglasses? That guy was judging matches. That guy was judging matches. How did no one out there make a meme about this judge wearing sunglasses? I work for Flo Grappling. I work for who's number one. I can't and I probably shouldn't even be saying this. I might catch, you know, heat in the office for this. We got a judge rocking sunglasses mat side. This is crazy. I 100% agree. Thank God there wasn't a controversial decision or I would have had to bust out a new fresh burner meme account and I'm like, WNO got blind judges these days. Come on. That decision was shit. It's like, why is this Does anybody know why this guy was doing that? It was hilarious. Speaker 2: Lights are bright in there. Did he see us blow up sunglasses referee who now does wear those sunglasses like it's his gimmick. Speaker 1: Yeah. He's trying to push a gimmick. Speaker 2: Yeah, first I saw him like sitting mat side during the night and I was like, oh, well, clearly he's like a production guy or something. Like he's not judging matches. Then later I walked by and he was like, and that is 10 nine. Yeah. To Gabby. Advantage red. Yeah. Yeah. We got a referee rocking the shades, dude. Come on now. Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I think you got to go with like somebody needs to to rock those like uh fluorescent like pit vipers though. We need we need some like neon green like pit vipers and somebody's just out there just reffing like Speaker 2: I think someone should go full like ghetto Pat, you know, just like the the like the pharmacy like over your glasses like fully like blind guy ones, you know. Speaker 1: But I think somebody should get those opera glasses that you hold up to your glasses. Speaker 2: A monocle. Speaker 1: Yeah. Dude, you just watch a guy with a monocle with like a chain going down. Speaker 2: I would be like, I bet that guy's getting it right. I I he probably is. Speaker 1: You're talking about the ones that like zoom a little. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Where where is the grip actually? Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. All right. But what I was saying is that Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what I thought. Speaker 1: I don't know if fish was a real slavery heavy. This is a lot of stuff that we don't know about. Yeah. We're really throwing out a lot of info that we don't know much about here. But yeah, there's a little bit of Civil War history on the Flo Grappling show. That's why you guys tune in. Speaker 2: Rhode Island better than Kansas. That's all I know. That's all I know. Speaker 1: I I will say there is a lot of Midwest people who think that people from the East Coast look down on people from the Midwest. And I just want to say, I don't think that's true at all. People from the East Coast look down on people from the South. We don't think about people from the Midwest. Speaker 2: At all. Yeah. Speaker 1: That's fair. You're from the smallest state, dude. You had to move to Texas. You had to move to Texas, the biggest state to the second biggest behind Alaska to to to make yourself feel like a big man. Speaker 2: If Rhode Island wasn't there, you wouldn't be here. Speaker 1: Why not? Speaker 2: Cuz it's 13 original colonies, brother. You're welcome that we that we put this thing on the map. Speaker 1: You must not know about my indigenous roots. Speaker 2: All right, get out of here. Let's get out of here. Yeah, okay. Speaker 1: Let's not know about a little something called the people who were here first. Yeah, okay. Trump card. There it is. Speaker 2: Hey, all right, never mind. All right. Let's get out of this. Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 2: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Speaker 1: Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like that that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw something. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. But yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that is that seems huge for Joseph, but Speaker 1: No, no way he weighed 194 when he like actually weighed in that day. Speaker 2: He probably I would guess he'd probably weigh like 183 or something, you know, like even below 185. Speaker 1: Who do we got in 88 now already? Uh it is John Blanc. John Blanc. It is also uh Pavel Jivorski. Pavel. Pretty sick. And then uh and then you're going to have uh Badoni, J Rod, Chris Wochick, Felipe Costa coming in from the last one. So there's the seven guys. Uh obviously invites have not been officially accepted yet. Uh but that's kind of the the thinking, right? It's the last uh guys from the last one. Speaker 1: Pretty pretty sick divisions there. Man, John Carlo versus Joseph Chin, like sign me up. I'll I'll check that one out for sure. Especially at CJI, it was so short. I feel like we just didn't get enough of it, right? I feel like they got like one exchange, two exchange. Things were just really starting to get interesting and and then suddenly there's the match. That's right. And certainly the way that was set up and the rules and everything, it did make for such different kind of matches. I guess these guys where it's like ADCC rules, this match could be so different, you know. And John Carlo, dude, John Carlo is so good at ADCC specifically. It's like, man, I don't know. It'd be crazy. Joseph Chin's just insane as well. So, who knows. European trials is going to be like, that's going to be the first one of 2026, right? The second European. I think it's cuz Polaris is January 31st and I think European trials is is right after that. Um, that's why we're trying to get Ferris to be the who's number one captain, but he he was like, I don't know, man. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like uh February uh the second European. Both of the uh Brazilian trials in March. East Coast or West Coast trials in I think April. Uh or May, if not April, then May. And then uh the second Asian trials will also be around the same time as uh West Coast. Speaker 1: Yeah, so great performance from Joseph there. Obviously, sick matches. You guys can watch all those on Flo. Watch them on the Flo Grappling YouTube channel. Go check that out. And then 77 kilos, another big one was Isaac Michelle. Uh this is the second trials he's won, right? Third. Third. Third trials. Three different weight classes. He's won at 88, 99 and now 77. 66 next. Only if you can make the weight. If you can make the weight. Uh yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, Isaac, like we mentioned, ended up going against Kenta Iwamoto. Everybody knows Kenta's a dog. Kenta's a beast. Kenta's a multiple time ADCC trials champion himself. Uh but he ended up getting it done in the finals. It was a couple of uh later wrestling exchanges for Isaac. Uh but it was a super close decision that could have gone either way. Uh uh would love to see them run that one back, but uh Isaac qualifies for his third ADCC Worlds in a row. Yeah, him at 77 is definitely interesting as well. Who who do we have at 77 so far? We got Little Jacob. Yeah, Little Jacob. We have that Jarbaev guy. Uh and now we have uh uh Isaac as well as the four returning place winners. So plus Dante Leone from the absolute. Yeah. Yeah. And so potentially Mika, Wagner, uh PJ and Elijah. PJ and Elijah, yeah. Pretty crazy. Crazy division shaping up already. Yeah, that's like eight guys we probably have pretty well. And then, you know, you got to imagine, you know, is JT, who's won two of the last four ADCCs, got to think he gets an invite if he wants one. Kade Ruotolo, if he wants an invite, he's obviously going to get one. Um, you know, what's Ty Ruotolo doing? Uh, you know what I mean? Hopefully, hopefully Kade gets one, but he did CJI, so. Yeah. Uh, and those dudes are just like MMA superstars now, you know. But they would be sick. Would be sick. As a grappling fan, I want it. So, this 66 guy, I don't I don't know much about this guy. You were getting some info on him, right? You kind of tell us about him. Yeah, I got talked up on him a little bit. Rioma Unraku. This guy is a Japanese freestyle wrestler by trade. Hey, hey, uh, your uh, your Facebook camera is on. What's up, Reed? Hey. Yeah, I'm having some internet issues. I'm trying to battle it over here. My bad. It's all good. Uh, yeah, Unraku was uh, so Japan's really, really good at freestyle wrestling. Don't tell Christian Piles. Uh, he's got like a ongoing like online feud about this. Uh, but uh, this guy was like the number two in the nation behind the Olympic champion, Oda Guru for a while and uh, he medaled at U23 Worlds, had a bunch of international results, did really well. He came in, he won this bracket at minus 66 kilos, which is basically the weight he also wrestled at. Didn't score a single submission, out wrestled everybody. I think I heard he's a purple belt. Uh, that would make some sense. Uh, and uh, probably the best part of the entire situation, the team representing team badass motherfuckers. Yeah. Rioma Unraku. Yeah. Fully spelled out. I'm just quoting what he's registered himself under. Uh, badass motherfucker. Yeah. Is that allowed? It happened. I guess so. Yeah. And uh, so I think this is this is almost like uh when we had uh uh homeboy who faced Dorian at the last ADCC. Uh, uh, Garbag. Thank you. Uh, yeah, where uh uh it's it's like this, uh, you know, kind of foreign, unknown guy who's got a different style. This is obviously a very freestyle, uh, very, very freestyle kind of guy. Uh, who the hell is going to take down this guy? Yeah. I don't know. Me neither. I got to look more into this dude. I definitely I like whenever just uh like a true elite freestyle wrestler's in the mix, you know, it makes for some fun potential matches and everything. So, that'd be cool. It seems like a lot of these guys are getting in at 66. These these uh tried and true wrestlers. I know what's happening in other divisions too, but like Garbag got in, you know, who who've been going for a while. So we can try and just like speed run, I guess. For sure. What's this thing? Absolutely. Yeah, and then like you said, there's three, you know, three, four rank guys there at uh men's feather. We're all going to be pushing each other. I think Marco Mendez has a really good shot at getting it done. Gianni Grippo. Uh, you know, has been in this game for so long, getting it done. I think this is another great opportunity for him to add another world gold medal. I think he's a two-time champion, looking to make it three. Uh and he's definitely, you know, by rankings, the highest rank guy coming in. Ash had a had a victory over Richie B over the weekend too. Yes. True. Saw that. Yeah, there were some European, I don't remember the name of it, some European super fight show. Oh, no, Flanagan also beat Jonathan Gracie. That's a big that's a big win for him. Maybe submitted him. Yes, submitted him. I saw that. That's pretty crazy. Definitely. Then uh lightweight, we kind of talked about already. Middle, we got Tazan in there, Fabri, Mike Perez, El Patron, the top gambler in Jujitsu, Mike Perez. Not Don Chueng, Tarik, Max Hansen. I saw Max Hansen and and Owen kind of been kind of been John. Max Hansen up in the middle. I know. Crazy. Big boy Max. Yeah, especially for a guy who was like on the decline. I probably from the decline from ADCC trials. He's just like, fuck cutting weight for like six months. I'm not doing that shit. So just like, whatever I walk around at. If I have to be five pounds, six pounds less than the weight, that's cool. Dude, Max Hansen is so active that yeah, maybe it would make sense for him to not worry too much about weight cuts cuz he's competing like all the time on all kinds of events. So it's like maybe just staying at a natural weight uh could bode well for him. This this middleweight category is pretty stacked though. Super tough, right? Those those quarterfinals alone are are going to be worth the price of admission. And even down there you got Johnny Tama and John Satava. Benji Silva. And just Silva was on the scene for a long time. Haven't seen him in a minute. CJ Murdoch always can kill people. CJ had a really CJ Natan first round, I think. Oh, wow. Crazy one. Yeah. All right, let's go to men's medium heavy. Pavel Jivorski. Obviously, a lot of people are hip to Pavel now. Let's see if he can get a a Dubsky here in the black belt ranks. Sebastian Rodriguez, David Garmo, Angelo Clayborne, always sick whenever he's in the mix. Uh Clay Mayfield, Rafael Paganini, also super good. Gabriel Broge really good. So, super good. These are good good divisions. These are really good Nogi Worlds, man. And then men's heavy, we got Ferris and Dante. Imagine seeing that one. Let's go. Ferris and Dante. Also Lucas Lera. I think Ferris and Lucas Lera have internet beef or something. That sounds right. And then uh Dante and Lucas uh Lera are actually one and one against each other. Uh that's the guy who stopped uh Dante at Nogi Pans a couple of years ago when he bumped up to heavy. And then Dante got it back in the division. Uh so, you know, both those guys are always down to face whoever. That would be an awesome one. Yeah, I think this division is maybe one of my favorites with Ferris, Dante, Lucas, kind of in that favorite spot. Also, Sean Yada Marco, trials silver medalist, Charles Negromonte, an absolute beast, Javier Barter. Jose Jerima. And then even like down Calin Sabino, Dory, Anthony Robinson, all these Lucas Galberto, like this this one's pretty sick as well. So, Charles Charles and Ferris and Charles Negromonte, they train at Los Banditos. They train together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They train together at Los Banditos. Just a rowdy bunch over there, the Los Banditos crew. Oh, we're going to see more Nico. We're going to see more Nico against Elder first round. Whoa. Elder versus ADCC trials champion versus Elder's won ADCC trials as well in the past. Uh, pretty sure 99% sure. And then uh uh yeah, they're going to face off first round. I think whoever wins that, it's probably the favorite to come out of that side of the bracket. But that's just one of those things like Nico hasn't done a lot of IBJJF Nogi. He's low seeded there. Yeah. Yeah, also Felipe Trovo in the mix. Felipe Trovo is a beast. Eli Braz, an ADCC trials champ. So, yeah, super sick uh divisions there. Where's Felipe Trovo training these days? I just saw him the other day. He's not at Atos. Is he at Atos? I thought he was. I don't know if top my head. Okay, okay. Atos sounds right. I know he's. Trovo Trovo was for sure an Atos guy. Unless you saw some. He was a Gracie Baja guy and then he went to Atos and I thought I just I don't know. Yeah, I just saw him at Six Blades, didn't I? Oh, really? Is that Winston Torres? No, yeah, Winston was there too. Maybe. I know I know one thing. Andre Galvao, great at impressions. He doesn't show this to a lot of people, but he'll do it for fun in the gym. He has a great Felipe Trovo impression. Does he? I haven't seen that. He'll do he'll do a Felipe Trovo, which is really funny. Pretty solid Bernardo Faria in his in his arsenal as well. Yeah, he's also got like Kaio Terra, Gordon. He's got a lot of them, dude. He just doesn't he doesn't let the public know, but Andre's great at impressions. All right, so we're cutting one thing here. You guys saw you guys saw that sweep. I'm going to bleep I'm even though you didn't say something bad, I'm going to bleep it. Yeah. All right. I'm just kidding. I don't I don't I don't have that, but I grew up around a lot of people who did. So I'm I'm I got a lot of friends. I got a lot of friends. Yeah. We're in a bad lane right now, dude. We're going to get canceled for sure off this one. They thought the Zins episode was bad. We got in trouble for the Zins episode and now we're talking. Speaker 1: Just go back like 90 seconds in this conversation and then just like cut it and cut to the next. Like we just like way too off the Hey, Nikki, our producer, what do you think? We keep it in or should we uh, you know, All right, he said keep it in. It's it's staying in. You guys are going to get to see it. All right. Now we're now we're throwing in Zins as well. But uh yeah, just kidding. I don't I don't think we've ever cut something from this podcast. So we'll just we'll just get in trouble, I guess. I don't know. But is there anything else from who's number one we got to cover? Is that pretty much pretty much it. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, let's let's let's jump on to the other big event that happened this this weekend. There's there's six events on on Flo Grappling this weekend. Plenty of Jujitsu to watch if that's your thing. Um, we had finishers as as well, had a big event, but also was the ADCC uh Asia and Oceania trials here. So, you know, as we keep moving along closer and closer to the World Championships in September, we got another crop of male grapplers who punched their ticket to the ADCC World Championships. And I think it's it's a lot of familiar names, you know, that that we we kind of really expected. But um, I don't know where you want to start first, but I guess, you know, I think Nico, um Speaker 1: I think Nico's the the story that I want to talk about here. Nico McGlitch of Atos Jujitsu, uh who like we've been seeing, you know, plenty of these tournaments coming up. Uh just got his black belt like a little over a year ago, I feel like. Uh uh but he's been putting in a lot of work, putting in a lot of training, kind of always in the gym, being super friendly, being super nice. Well, he just went to ADCC trials and tapped out everybody and punched his ticket to the ADCC World Championships. It's an incredible performance uh from young Nico, who uh uh yeah, I I he's had some really good wins before. He's beaten Josh Saunders before at Subversion in a big super fight down in Australia. Uh but uh uh his wrestling looked on point. His guard looked on point. His everything looked on point. He looked like a monster out there. Speaker 2: Nico's a dude who has kind of completely changed his his uh his body, right? Like he competed at under 99. Yep. Under 99, but he was a big, big boy. I remember at like 2022 Pans. Like 240s. Yeah, like he was like a super heavyweight. If I'm not mistaken. All try. I think yeah. All try, yeah. Uh won the absolute, I think 2022 Pans, maybe 2023 brown belt. That was a sick sweep right there. If you guys saw that. But definitely a beast. Shout out Nico. I guess uh uh the other there's a couple more big ones, but another big one is Joseph Chin, right? Joseph Chin, we posted the full uh super cut of Joseph Chin. All of his matches are on the YouTube channel. So go watch that if you haven't yet. A lot of people just talking about how Joseph Chin's just playing on easy mode, you know, just kind of like just cruises through this without looking like he really needs to give much effort. And like I think that's just because Joseph Chin might have some of the best Jujitsu in all of all of grappling, you know. He just kind of makes it look easy. These guys I don't think these guys are actually easy. It's just Joseph is that good that he kind of makes it look that way. But super good run from him. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative. Joseph is a guy, uh interesting decision to move up to 88, right? That was kind of weird. Uh because I feel like, you know, there is just a chance that he will eventually go back to 77. Uh sometimes these guys will win a trial at one place and then move around. Uh if ADCC will allow them to feel like they have the invite space to do that. Uh but him at 88, you know, he had a chance to feel Badoni at the last uh CJI and maybe he felt like, you know, I I could make this work here or maybe he's just truly outgrown 170 pounds. Totally an option. Uh but yeah, he he sliced through this bracket, you know, all these guys are tough, but it's all relative and none of these guys are quite Joseph Chin. He looked awesome. Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph out there putting up points too. You know, ADCC such a hard rule set sometimes to really solidify points, you know, but Joseph out there putting up points and and just passing people's guards and and yeah, looking like he's doing it kind of effortlessly. And well, we were theorizing that like he he he didn't Yeah, he didn't do 77 cuz cuz Kenta was in there. We don't know that for sure, but I think we were kind of theorizing that. Would make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. Cuz obviously they're close. So you know, open it up. If if he looked at the brackets, Joseph Chin looked at the brackets and was like, ah, I think I could get it done at 88. So like you go 77, I'll go 88, try to get both the boys in. But Isaac Michelle went down to 77, which was also a wild move. I did not think Isaac could make 77 and Joseph could ever weigh like what's 88? 194 pounds. It's like, that