#61 - Felipe Pena Joins To Talk WNO Heavyweight Title Match

Speaker 1: All right, what's up, everybody? We got a big show today. We're going to be recapping BJJ Stars 18 and IBJJF's The Crown. And then we got Felipe Pena calling in later to talk about his heavyweight title match on Who's Number One against Luke Griffith. But first, I wanted to tell you guys that this show is presented by IMATE, the all-in-one formula for fighters. Built for performance, trusted for recovery. Use code Flow Sports for 10% off and visit IMATEhealth.com/flowsports to get yours today. And now let's jump into the episode. Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling Show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Daddy Slack Barrett down here in the main, the big boy seats. Speaker 3: Getting the call up. Speaker 2: That's right. And then Big Uncle Reed right over there. No Joey Gilps. Joey Gilps, now Joey Protests. Speaker 3: Missing in action. Speaker 2: Said he wouldn't call into the show. Said he wouldn't join the show out of protest for this fantasy draft. He said there's there's something afoot here, you know? He didn't like the way Reed was playing it. He didn't like the way I was playing it. And so he said, no way, Jose, I'm out of there. So we got Joey Protests on our hands. Speaker 3: For good reason. I was this close to protesting myself and and getting out of here because that was some whack stuff that happened last episode. Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. I mean, it's lonely at the top. I'll say that. Speaker 3: I'm still pissed about it. Speaker 2: The Saints brothers, you know, the Saints clan has been turned against me because of this. Speaker 3: That's a protest. Speaker 2: And uh, these dudes are now posting pictures being like three goats in a glazer and it's just the Saints brothers with me in the background calling me a glazer and stuff, man. I'm getting these I don't want the Saints brothers unleashed on me. You got to call them back, Reed. Call them off. Speaker 3: You got to fire them, man. Those are my guys. And when it comes to, you know, this, you deserve it. So, I'm not calling them back at all. Ever. Speaker 2: This is Speaker 3: You deserved it. Speaker 2: This is dirty work by Reed, you know? I I hope I win the next 50 drafts. Speaker 3: You're cheating. You're, you know, doing all this stuff that is just Speaker 2: Well, if you guys want to know why Reed's salty, watch the last episode because he didn't like how his team freaking lost big time. Speaker 3: You and Ray like conspired against me and probably messed with the numbers and so. Speaker 2: Yeah. We we cheated, so what? Speaker 3: Trey and I. Speaker 2: We're like that. Speaker 3: Right now, me and Trey. Speaker 2: All right, but we got to put that aside for a little bit because there was a this was a big weekend in grappling. We got. Speaker 3: Yeah, huge weekend, for sure. Speaker 2: If you're a grappling fan, now is the time to be alive. In in 50 years, you know, they're going to say, if you got a time machine, what would you do? Would you go back and do this or do that and see the dinosaurs? And if you're a grappling fan, you're going to be like, no way, dude. Take me back to 2025, November 22nd, cuz it was a huge weekend in Jiu-Jitsu. We had BJJ Stars 18 and we had The Crown, the third edition of The Crown. Let's let's talk. Speaker 3: And shout out shout out to Fight to Win 300. Crazy. Speaker 2: Fight to Win 300. Speaker 3: Crazy that that Fight to Win's been doing 300 events. Talk about OG. Speaker 2: Yeah, holding it down for a long time. It's hard to get to 300 events. Who's Number One's coming up on event 31. That's pebbles in comparison to be honest. So, shout out to them for sure. But you guys want to get into some BJJ Stars 18 action? What's kind of some of the action you guys saw uh watching BJJ Stars? Where should we cut to this angle of Reed real quick? Speaker 3: Oh, hey. Speaker 2: Hey. Now I'm conspiring with Nikki the producer too? Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Nikki, we got to make up some bits to kind of really dunk on Trey here in the future of this show. Speaker 2: This is why I have the barns. Speaker 3: These hot seats are a little too strong. Speaker 2: You want to get into it, Slack? Let's get into it. Speaker 3: Yeah, let's all turn on Slack, actually. Oh, man. Speaker 4: Oh, there. Oh, gosh. Okay. Speaker 2: But yeah, BJJ Stars, big event. Obviously, we saw Pedro Mourinho and Roosevelt Souza going for the uh BJJ Stars open weight belt, right? We saw Fabricio Andre going up against Oliver Taza, Mayrom versus Owen Jones, Yatan Bueno, Big Dan. A lot of big matches, you know, but you guys were watching closely, I know. What was kind of some stuff that stood out to you guys? Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a great event. Man, BJJ Stars always puts on an electric event. It seems like uh just being in in uh in the um event space during the event, just, you know, the the crowd is packed. It's all these Brazilians, they're chanting. Um so it's always just a fun a fun watch. Um a bunch of good matches here. I think out the gate, one of the best matches there was that Yatan Bueno versus uh versus Big Dan. That was that was a really great match between the two of them, both big big boys. We haven't seen a whole lot of Big Dan here kind of recently in in this year and everything like that. So it was good to see him back out on the mats. But um ended up being kind of all all Yatan Bueno um in in the first part of it. Dan was doing a really good job just kind of harassing Yatan from his guard and everything like that. I think we got some highlights even we can play here too, Nikki, of of this match. Um but and Speaker 2: Should have Reed sharing his screen here with you or something. Speaker 3: Okay, hold on. Go ahead. You guys can talk about this match. Let me see if I can fix it. Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't catch all of BJJ Stars to be honest with you. I was uh locked in on The Crown though, but uh I went back and watched some of these. Definitely, it looked like these big boys were throwing each other around a little bit, huh? Speaker 4: Yeah, it was um the the big moment that kind of kicked off the momentum, I think, for Yatan was that, you know, Big Dan was was working his guard a lot and then he he goes for a wrestle up, I believe, and that's where Yatan was able to get a throw. Um and after that, I think, you know, maybe that gave him some confidence because there were a number of other exchanges on the feet. One where they went out of bounds. Um another where actually Big Dan had had a nice look at a throw on him, but Yatan was able to actually kind of recover from it and end up um on top. So that scramble went into his favor and he was actually able to pass from there and he ended the the match in mount. I don't remember if he got the points for it or not, but Speaker 3: Yeah, right at the very, very end. He stepped over into mount. Yeah. Speaker 2: He got the points. Speaker 3: I think they did end up giving him points, yeah. Speaker 4: Yeah, so. Speaker 2: Gotcha. Speaker 4: Great match, though. Speaker 2: Yeah, I also I saw some of the press conference leading into BJJ Stars and honestly, pretty electric press conference. Like I saw Wagner. Speaker 3: Yeah, Wagner and Sergio were about to throw down. Sergio did not like how Wagner was speaking to him. Speaker 2: No, they busted out their MMA records. They started calling each other out on the organizations where they acquired those records. Like they were going back and forth. And then the other one that I thought some funny lines exchanged was between Owen and Mayrom. Owen obviously like, you know, all pro team trash talk, but Mayrom, dude, Mayrom can back like he can hold his own in some trash talk as well. Mayrom hit him with the line. I think the line was, you know, any Portuguese speakers, correct me in the comments if I'm saying this wrong, but I think he said I think he said Casa Camigo Ulvai Mocombo, which I'm pretty sure means marry me or go away. That is a sick line to drop on somebody. I I was like, dude, I got to remember that. If when I'm back in Brazil or something, just dropping that on people. Basically being like, like Owen was like, oh, who are you training with Nogi for this, you know? And he was like, bro, you're obsessed with me. Like marry me or go away, dude. And I was like, that is a hilarious line to drop on somebody. So I might try and start using that. Casa Camigo Ulvai Mocombo. How about you, Reed? Hey, Reed, you're still mad about the draft, bro? Casa Camigo Ulvai Mocombo. Amigo, Carai, Pohha. Throwing some cuss words too. I can cuss in Portuguese. My mom doesn't know Portuguese, so. Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't you can't be talking trash to me in a language that I don't speak. That's not fair. Speaker 2: That's how I felt felt this weekend. Live stream. We got this playing now, Yatan Bueno and Big Dan. Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see this is this is the end of the match right here where he does get the guard pass and and steps over into mount there. You can see he hops over that far side, able to secure side control. Speaker 2: Yatan Bueno is a sneaky, agile big boy, to be honest. He kind of he can move a little bit. Big Dan can also. Both these guys are kind of sneaky, able to play a small. Speaker 3: Sneaky little guys. Speaker 2: Yeah, able to play a small guy game even though they're a couple of the biggest people on Earth. Speaker 3: Yeah, for real. So, that was a great match. Um yeah, I mean, Wagner, Sergio, there was definitely it seemed like a a lot kind of riding on that press conference and everything like that. It was it was a little chippy. And man, any match with Wagner, it just seems like it comes out a little chippy, you know? So, they were doing some heavy collar ties and pushing each other off the off the mat and stuff like that. But uh it was a Wagner Hosha who was able to kind of like dig that deep underhook and and run Sergio off the off the mat and kind of get the takedown. Um so, big win for Wagner, man. You know, Wagner's just been all over it out there for sure. Talking about Felipe wants to go till he's 42 or whatever, you know? But uh Wagner's out there still throwing down and uh you know, I think who was it that that challenged him right after where right after the match? Oh, Salo Hebero said that he wants a match with with Wagner Hosha. And and Wagner said, let's do it tomorrow. I'm down for tomorrow. Let's have a match. You know? So like Wagner doesn't care. Wagner's all all for it. Speaker 2: Oh, way. I didn't know Salo Hebero was out there calling people out for matches. Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he was there, cuz I think he was in Austin, actually. Speaker 4: Yeah, he was doing his. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but maybe he was watching and and he's he's friends with Feppa and Feppa, I think he texted Feppa or something like that and said he wants the next match with Wagner. And and Wagner said, let's do it tomorrow. So. Speaker 2: Feppa couldn't pull that off or something? He couldn't do he couldn't do the next. Speaker 3: Yeah, so we didn't get to see it, but I think we the next one is uh February. So maybe maybe we see it in February. Speaker 2: That's incredible. We got both Hebero bros just out here throwing down these days. We got Salo coming back. We got Shanji coming up against now Ferris, little little opponent change for him and then potentially Salo Hebero versus Wagner in the future. That's incredible. Speaker 4: Yeah. You did you did mention um Owen Jones uh and Mayrom. That was definitely, I think, one of the standout matches um from the event. Speaker 3: Hold on, real quick. Let's see if we can. Speaker 4: Maybe we'll come back to it. Speaker 3: Real quick, just to see if we can watch this uh this takedown that Wagner hit. Let's see if I can pull it up here. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, it and there was and there was quite a bit of back and forth on kind of what the reset was going to be and and everything like that. So, it was a uh a big moment in the match. Definitely the biggest moment in the match. Sorry here, I'm just kind of scrolling back trying to find where we Speaker 2: We're getting beat by technology right now. Speaker 3: Yeah. Technology's up. Speaker 2: Here we go. Speaker 3: Here we go. Here we go. So, Sergio a legend in the UFC as well. Probably has a better record. I don't know. I I forget what what their records are, but I think he might have a better record than Wagner. Speaker 2: I think Wagner's record might have been a little better, but he got most of his wins uh outside. Speaker 3: Oh, just overall record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I think Sergio had a great run in the UFC. So yeah, you can see digs his deep underhook and then just runs Sergio off the mat. And that's really the. Speaker 2: I don't know the red carpet. Speaker 3: I know the red carpet. There's a lot of jockeying for position. It takes a it takes a while for them to really reset this position here, but but that's really the kind of story of that match here is that Wagner was able to kind of get this takedown on Sergio. So. Speaker 2: Gotcha. You were you were bringing up uh Owen Jones versus Mayrom, Slack. That obviously was a huge one. A lot of hype going into this. Speaker 4: A lot of hype going into it. A lot of excitement seeing Mayrom in Nogi game and um he looks right at home in it. I mean, he was able to evade a lot of, you know, Owen Jones's game, but not just staying on the outside the whole time. I mean, eventually he gets this epic back take that was awesome to watch. Lightning fast. Um and he was pumped after that win. I mean, they they had a great back and forth, but yeah, I mean, the decisiveness decisiveness of the back take was pretty huge. Um so, Speaker 2: Definitely. Speaker 4: That was a really fun one to watch. Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this one was obviously hyped for sure. Um Mayrom is just a beast Nogi. Came out no shirt on, so you know, automatic bonus points right off the rip. At least at least on Big Trey's scorecard, you know what I'm saying, boys? Speaker 3: Yeah, and Owen Owen has such a slick guard. He was able to kind of fend off this pass attempt here for a long time by just keeping knees to chest. And uh that's hard to do. So, but um especially, man, in Brazil, in Sao Paulo, almost impossible to beat a guy like Mayrom, uh beat a guy like Fabricio Andre in in their home home uh you know, event space and everything like that. They got Speaker 2: It's hostile coming in. Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. Speaker 2: You got a lot of stuff going against you when you're a gringo competing on a on in Brazil. That's for sure. So. Speaker 4: And he just teleported to the back. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. But so obviously Mayrom ended up getting the win there. Big win for him. Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you guys. So I see, you know, the seven-minute match here. To be honest, I was hoping they would go another seven minutes, to be honest. And I I see Bear uh from Showyro out there. I saw him commenting a lot saying that no Jiu-Jitsu matches should be longer than six minutes. To be honest, I feel like I I kind of disagree. But where where do you guys land on this? I I I feel like I wanted to see more of this match, to be honest. Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I guess I have I have like two schools of thought on it. One, it's like when a trials rolls around, those are six-minute matches. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, okay, this is nice. This is a stinker. It's going to be over soon. We'll move on to the next. All right, now we got a banger, banger, stinker, stinker, banger and it just it keeps moving, you know? I definitely think in like a super fight show, there's an aspect where it's like, you know, who knows if this is if there's seven more minutes now, Owen escapes the back and now it's kind of like gets in on a leg and restarts these initiations. Like he kind of could just now start getting it rolling. Like Speaker 3: And Mayrom's still winning, so like Mayrom can keep pouring it on as well and maybe we see we see him put 10 points on on Owen or something. Speaker 2: But it's kind of like there's a lot of moments that happen late in matches that wouldn't exist if everything was under six minutes. Like a good example, you know, we're we're going to have Felipe Pena on later to talk to him about his upcoming match with Luke Griffith. But recently Luke Griffith fought Victor Hugo and won it in the later half of the match. So it's like if that was seven minutes, it would have been completely different. It would have kind of nullified that whole comeback, the whole story of being down and then winning it late. Same with Nikki Rod Kainan, where we saw kind of Kainan come out and come out on a blitz from the rip, but then Nikki Rod turned the turn the tables kind of in the later minutes and everything. Maybe that was around more of the midway, but still kind of like around a halfway in like a 15-minute rule set, where you kind of lose a lot of crazy moments like that. Another example in the Gi, Adam Worzenski, Felipe Pena at Pans, where Adam was down seven, right? And then he ended up uh Speaker 3: Felipe Andrew. Speaker 2: Or Felipe Andrew, my bad. And then he ended up sweeping, getting the mount and then winning on advantage like as time ran out. So you kind of lose a lot of insane moments like that where in a six-minute rule set, I do think it's like it's way easier to get up to and then like anybody can kind of hold on for six minutes and like you kind of need those extra bonus minutes to uh to kind of like, you know, see how they can kind of recapture some points and come back and make a comeback. But then again, like there's a point where it does get boring. Like there's there's some boring ass 10-minute matches out there. I will admit. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Speaker 2: So I don't know. Bear knows more than me though. So I I might have to get his thoughts. We might have to get him on so he can kind of explain this and talk about what what he's seeing and stuff because Bear's an OG, dude. Been in the game for a long time. Watched a lot of Jiu-Jitsu, so. Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. And then maybe the other thing I want to say here is for the people who are clowning on Owen Jones. You guys are you got it wrong. You got it wrong. Like who else is out there talking shit and flying halfway across the world to fight one of the scariest guys in Jiu-Jitsu in in Mayrom, in his hometown. Speaker 4: On his turf, yeah. Speaker 3: Who who else is is going out there calling his shot and going down there to fight whoever. He's fighting Gavin in his backyard. He's fighting excuse me. He's fighting Mayrom in his backyard. Yeah, he lost and and he's having a tough go of it, but Owen is is making exciting Jiu-Jitsu. Like the reason why we're watching is because of guys like Owen who are putting themselves out there and and everything like that. So I don't know. I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for for glazen here. But uh Speaker 2: I think I'm the only one who gets to glaze here. Speaker 3: All right, Trey's glazen here. I'm not. I'm just talking honest, talking some facts and stuff like that. But I don't know. You guys who are clowning on on Owen Jones, you got it all wrong in my opinion, you know? It's like, thank God we have somebody like Owen Jones who's ready and down to like, yes, he knows how tough Mayrom is. He knows how tough Gavin is, but he's still down to to talk some shit, put it on the line and take the heat if he loses. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: So, that's my that's my rant on that. Speaker 2: No, I I agree with you 100%. I'll glaze it up for Owen for sure in that aspect. Like, to be honest, that's like that's what Gordon was willing to do also. Whenever Gordon was kind of in that insane trajectory like towards like the super stardom he found in the Jiu-Jitsu world, it's like, it takes a guy who is completely willing to go out there, like put his reputation on the line, talk what he needs to say to make something exciting and then deal with the backlash of a potential loss. And it's like, that's a scary thing to do. Like that puts you in a very vulnerable spot. Like, yes, it's easy to just say like, I respect my opponent. I'm very happy. I've trained hard. I think I'm prepared. Speaker 3: And then if and then if you lose, hopefully people just forget about it, you know? Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know, it takes a bold person to kind of like make actual waves that have an impact and kind of goes further than just like another match we're going to watch and forget. And so it's like, yeah, I do think there's some credit deserved for athletes who are willing to kind of do that, you know? It's like Jasmine Rocha, another athlete who I think is willing to like put it on the line. Obviously, she comes up from Wagner's kid, so Wagner's not scared to do that either. But it's like, yeah, you make yourself vulnerable to get made fun of when you do lose, whenever you're willing to kind of like put yourself out there and kind of make an exciting thing and like, that's a pretty hard thing to do. Like, you know, a lot of people don't ever put themselves out there their whole life, no matter what they're doing. And those kind of people just kind of are in a complacent, like they just kind of coast along, you know. And for sure that's easy, that's fine to do, but it's like, those aren't the people who are making things like bigger than themselves and like going kind of pushing boundaries and all that. So, I I agree with you. There's some there's some glaze for everybody watching. Speaker 3: Everybody out there these days so so afraid to have the internet come after them, you know? Internet's a scary place and you got internet coming after you. That's like not where you want to be. But for Owen to just be like, nah, internet can come after me all they want. I don't care. Like that's a that's a dude we got to look out for. Speaker 2: For sure. Speaker 3: Um, you know, another match on there, Oliver Taza versus Fabricio Andre. Um, you know, this was this was uh Oliver looked looked great in this match, to be honest. Um but he forgot that uh you know, leg locks don't count in in Brazil. So, so you can't forget that that when you go to Brazil, leg locks just don't mean anything. Speaker 2: Had Vinnie Magalhaes on the uh judges. I'm kidding. Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that that was a you know, cuz obviously Fabricio really well known for his takedowns and stuff like that, but but uh Taza was ready for those takedowns and was ready to counter. Um so that I thought that was impressive. Just the way that he was able to kind of counter Fabricio's Fabricio's well-known stand-up game. Speaker 2: If Fabricio will throw anybody, so Taza obviously had a good game plan of like not just getting into the ground, but getting in with an entanglement where now he's, you know, got the advantage here early. Speaker 3: Ends up being a close match. Uh Fabricio does get out of this. You know, this is some really good uh high-level kind of hand fighting here for for a couple minutes. I feel like that that's some people can study if they're looking to figure out some some hand fighting techniques and stuff like that and how to not to get finished from this position cuz, you know, Taza has both legs collected. That's a that's a position that that Taza really wants and and usually finishes from. So definitely impressive that Fabricio was able to hand fight his way out of this, get back to his feet and kind of push the pace on his feet. Uh and then they ended up giving him the decision win. Close close match, but uh I was impressed with both guys for sure. Speaker 2: Look at this look at this kit Fabricio's rocking. Talk about willing to be bold. He's got the the all pink. Is that like what is that? Tatami with the flowers and stuff? All right, Fabricio, go off, King. But yeah, definitely some fun matches there. We got a lot to kind of get through and recap as well. Um any any other significant notable thing went down or should we jump into some some IBJJF's The Crown recap? Speaker 3: Yeah, let's jump into The Crown. I think. Speaker 4: Just a shout out to Pedro Mourinho defended his belt. So that was kind of what capped off the night. He continues to to just dominate um in general, but also, you know, BJJ Stars has been looking great there. So. Speaker 3: And then they brought they brought Mika out. Speaker 4: They brought Mika out. Speaker 3: And he's kind of like full like uh penguin penguin Batman outfit with the tails on his on his uh coat there and everything like that. He had the cap on, you know. I love how everybody dove head first into the Peaky Blinders uh gimmick there and uh and so hopefully we get to see Pedro Mourinho versus uh Mikey Galvao here at the next uh BJJ Stars. That should be a big match. Speaker 2: Definitely. Speaker 3: But but The Crown went down on on Sunday, you know? Uh we was it uh six divisions? Speaker 2: Yeah, six six six divisions. So just to kind of recap who the champions were coming out of that. Uh we had Gabby Passanya in the women's uh heavyweight division. We had Sarah Galvao in the women's lightweight. Then we had Cola Bate, Andy Murasaki, uh Nolan Stewart and Eric Muniz, all walk away as Crown champions. So Gabby Passanya and Eric Muniz now three time The Crown champions. I believe this is only the third time this event's happened. These two have won it every single time. But one of kind of the biggest performances in my opinion was Sarah Galvao and Cola Bate. Particularly Sarah in this women's lightweight. This division was unreal, to be honest. You had uh Brianna Saint Marie, the returning Crown champion. That's who Sarah fought first here. It's kind of playing now. Where Sarah was able to get the submission. So I mean, an insane win for Sarah there. Speaker 3: A match we've wanted to see for for a long time now. Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think this one we got to do this one on like Who's Number One or something, you know, run this back Nogi uh Sarah versus Brianna Saint Marie. But on the other side, there was Jenaina Lebre, um Cassia Mora, you know, so this division was pretty unreal. So quite the run by Sarah Galvao to get this done. Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously we've seen Sarah kind of dominate at the brown belt ranks now. Um you know, for this past year and she got her black belt and she's, you know, taken a lot of big matches. Of course, the Helena match and and she's had some Who's Number One matches and she was out there on on uh Ocean BJJ. But um to see her kind of jump back in the IBJJF circuit against the heavy hitters that are in that IBJJF circuit like a BSM. And and we're really going to start seeing her kind of go up against these these girls that are winning IBJJF World Championships at the black belt level now. Um and so this was like a a really big test right out the gate here, I think, for for Sarah. And she passed with flying colors. You know, she she ends up getting the submission right here against uh BSM. She she fought uh Cassia Mora, I believe, in the semifinals, got that win. Uh Cassia Mora has is a little older than her, not not by much, but she she at least has has a year of black belt under her belt already. And just a a slick kind of double collar choke, sliding collar choke there. You can see how much that really means to to Sarah. And then uh Jenaina, who's been really kind of dominating the IBJJF scene, you know, for the last kind of two, two, three years, pretty pretty much. Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe I think she's two-time world champ now, right? Speaker 3: Two-time world champ. You know, so that was going to be a a big match and uh Sarah looks ready. Sarah Sarah looks ready. I think I think she might have just made her run at the IBJJF World Championships in 2026 a little harder for herself. Cuz I think now everybody now everybody knows, okay, Sarah's going to be there. Sarah's going to be in the finals. If you want to win a world championships at that at that weight class, you know now that you are for sure going to have to go through Sarah Galvao. So people are going to start game planning for that. Um and whatnot. But I'm I'm sure she welcomes it, you know. She wants the world to know how how good she is. So, yeah, really, really impressed with with Sarah Galvao. And I think just overall, um this these uh kind of young guns, the the new era of of grapplers kind of taking taking um hold of the sport here. Like you mentioned Cola Bate, also had a great run. Nolan Stewart also had a great run. So. Speaker 2: Yeah, did this feel kind of like an event where we're seeing like uh I mean, we talk a lot about the generations of Jiu-Jitsu and how quick they are. But is it did this feel like a little bit of a like a little minor changing of the guard in the Gi a little bit? Like Cola Bate winning, you got uh Nolan Stewart ending up getting the submission over Adam in the finals, Sarah Galvao. Like it feels a little bit like now it's like, all right, we got some new players on the Gi scene beating world champions coming out of one of the most prestigious Gi events in the world on top. Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's, you know, we're watching Joao Bisnaga here versus Cole uh on the screen and it's like, you know, Joao's been in the game for a long time, but he's finally just crested that wave this year when he when he won his world championship. And he just goes to show how fast um these things can happen where it's like, it seems like Joao Mendez is is the guy now. And, you know, maybe maybe things have already surged past him and now you got the next generation coming. And and Adam as well. Adam has been dominating, you know, here recently. Um but now all of a sudden, Nolan Stewart's a young guy who's been who's been chomping at the bit and he was able to get the submission over Adam. So it's like, man, these things just move so quickly sometimes. Speaker 2: Definitely. This does this excuse me. This feels like a performance that uh could really kick start some Cole in the Gi, you know? I I know he's done well so far, but he still hasn't won a world championship yet. You know, obviously that's like a major title that he wants to have on his resume. And winning something like The Crown where you you are going up against world champions in your division and everything, feels like this could be one that kind of launches him into this next Gi season uh ready to go and ready to make some major waves there. So, congrats to Cole on that one. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Also, Andy Murasaki, two-time now Crown champion. He was able to get the win there in the middleweight division. Uh he won last year and then won again this year. So now he's a he's a two-time champ. This is uh we're we're getting a lot of multiple time champs for The Crown already, you know? It's kind of it's it's in its infancy as an event for sure, but uh some people stacking up those titles already. But shout out to Andy. Great performance by him. He looked great the whole way. Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Andy's been Andy's been, you know, obviously circling those gold medals for a long time. He seems to have a lot of success with um with The Crown here. He won one last time, right? Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So, and then yeah, I wanted to bring up obviously this uh reluctantly bring bring this up, you know, cuz Adam Adam. Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody knows how big a fans we are of Adam here. Speaker 3: Adam's our guy. Speaker 2: Adam's a bummer. Speaker 3: Adam's our guy. We're always rooting for Adam, but Speaker 2: Technically, this is one of his first retirement matches, so it kind of doesn't really count, but Speaker 3: It does count. Adam's retired here, so this match doesn't really count. Speaker 2: It counts for Nolan, it doesn't count for Adam. So everybody wins. Speaker 3: No, but big shout out to to Nolan Stewart. We we've watched Nolan this this year. He kind of usually is is up a weight and has been fighting guys like Eric Muniz and stuff like that. So he kind of jumped uh back down to this heavyweight division. And uh I think we circled this one from from get-go that uh Nolan versus versus Adam was going to be the match to watch in uh in this division. And uh you know, Nolan's been grinding for a long, long time. He's a he's a been doing Jiu-Jitsu at as a kid for a long time and and he's now starting to kind of really uh solidify himself as one of the best grapplers in the world. Uh from out there in California. I I don't think his coach likes me very much, to be honest. Speaker 2: Why not? Speaker 3: I don't know. Speaker 2: You talk to him? Speaker 3: Um, I haven't talked to him in a long, long time, to be honest, but I just don't think he's a he's a fan of of Flow Grappling and stuff like that. So, unfortunately. Speaker 2: Well, I'm a big I'm a big fan of the Elo rankings he does. I believe it's Nolan's coach who does the uh IBJJF Elo rankings. Speaker 3: I got nothing against him, for sure. You know, he's a he's a passionate Jiu-Jitsu guy. He's been in the game for a long, long time. Um but uh this was this was just a a killer performance. Anytime you can submit a two-time world champion, especially one as dominant as as Adam Worzenski, man, that's a huge, huge feather in your cap. Especially an Omoplata. I'm an Omoplata guy. I love the Omoplata. We don't see enough Omoplatas. So shout out Nolan Stewart. Huge win here. Speaker 2: Yeah, Nolan, this is Nolan's game too, right here. He's always attacking Omoplatas and like, you know, once he gets it like locked in pretty much, it's like there's no way out, it seems. Like he just stayed on this for so long, rolling through every which way. And eventually ended up getting the finish on the Omoplata. It is cool to see an Omoplata. But. Speaker 3: Yeah, so, big win, you know, maybe we'll see Nolan back down at this heavyweight division here for the IBJJF circuits and and he'll be hunting his first IBJJF gold. And uh you can obviously see how much that one meant to him. Speaker 4: Crazy. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, and his post-match interview, uh they asked him like how he felt and stuff. He said, just another day for him. I was like, I don't know, man, it might be a special day at least. Speaker 3: Just another day. Speaker 2: Yeah. That's awesome. Speaker 3: That's a pretty good day, though. Speaker 2: For sure. Speaker 3: That's a pretty solid day when you submit Adam Worzenski. I'm still looking for my day like that, but Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam's tried to help me fix my game twice. It hasn't worked yet. Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out Nolan Stewart. Huge win there. You know, also just wanted to shout out Eric Muniz. He's uh got his third Crown championship. He got a submission in both his opening round and the semifinal and then ended up going against Gustavo Batista, who kind of bounced up a weight for this one. He fought Gustavo Batista in the finals and ended up winning on points. So great performance there. Kind of similar with Gabby Passanya. Gabby went subs in her first two and then won against Tayani in the finals via points. But that was kind of some of the main stuff there. Speaker 3: Eric and and Gabby just so, so dominant, you know? And uh we you know, a lot of storylines in Jiu-Jitsu this year, but but um and and just because Gabby and Eric have been so dominant, it gets kind of lost in in the in the shuffle of all the things that have happened. But the things that Eric Muniz and and and Gabby Passanya are doing out there on the Jiu-Jitsu mats is just absolutely incredible. Like everybody always talks about there's levels to Jiu-Jitsu, you know? And it's just seems like Gabby and Eric just keep jumping levels. And uh you know, nobody's really been able to uh to catch up to them. Gabby put six points, I believe, on on Tayani in the finals. So, um there's just there's just a lot of gap there to to clear between, you know, Gabby and the in the number two person. So, just incredible how dominant they've they've been. It's it's really something to to behold. Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get to see some more of Gabby here soon when she's going to be on uh Who's Number One 31 going down December 5th. She's taking on Paige Evette Clymer. So that'll be a sick one. And speaking of Who's Number One, let's get Felipe Pena on the horn. All right? Somebody somebody call Felipe Pena. Let's get him on so we can talk to him about his big upcoming match against Luke Griffith. Speaker 3: I'll get him real real quick right now. Here we go. Speaker 2: All right, joining the show now, we got Felipe Pena, Preguisa himself calling in. Everybody give it up for Preguisa. Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in, Felipe. Woo. Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. Thank you. My pleasure to be here. Speaker 2: Yeah, we're glad you're calling in. You know, obviously, you got a huge match coming up against Luke Griffith at Who's Number One 31. Just overall, how's your training and preparation been for this match with Luke? Speaker 1: Man, it's been great. I think uh it's definitely one of the best camps I have. Uh like my last tournament was uh CGI and I had uh a really serious injury a couple months before CGI. So, I was not I didn't have the enough time to prepare me like 100% for CGI. So, I I was not feeling 100%. But uh definitely for that fight, I'm feeling 100%, you know, because I take the history from the CGI training and I start the I trained for really hard for, I don't know, eight or 10 weeks. And but I I start the training, the camp in a really good uh level already, you know, because I was training for CGI and after CGI, I still training. So, I'm feeling really good, like no injuries. Training's been great. Feeling super ready. Speaker 2: Nice. So, recently we've seen you doing some of your bigger camps and everything, you'll come to San Diego sometimes, train with the Atos squad and all that. For this one, have you kind of just mainly stayed in Belo Horizonte, just training at your gym and everything? Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh yeah, I I did a couple camps in Atos, San Diego, right? With uh Andre, Kainan and the guys. Uh but this time was hard to to stay there very long. So, I did the whole camp in BH with my my students, my gym. But uh but everything went so good, you know. I think there is a good side and bad sides to do camps. Like uh for me to do camps here and outside, you know. So, but uh nowadays I have a a really good training here as well. Of course, it's not like uh Atos, but uh I think it's more than enough for for me to get 100% ready, you know. And I I I'm feeling super super ready, super super good and super prepared for this fight. So, it was a really good training here and good camp in in Belo Horizonte. Speaker 2: Definitely. So, obviously, you and Luke kind of have a little bit of a history now. You guys have fought uh two times at ADCC and then again at CGI. But then, you know, obviously, everyone knows your history with kind of the new wave/Kingsway crew goes back further with your rivalry with Gordon and everything. Um what do you what do you think about fighting Luke for a third time? You know, you're up two and 0 against Luke, but obviously, this time is for the WNO heavyweight belt. So, I'm just curious what you think about kind of your previous matches with Luke and are you expecting anything different this time? Speaker 1: Um, man, I think Luke is a great opponent, you know. He's really good Jiu-Jitsu. He beat like uh a couple of the best guys, right? He beat like Victor Hugo, Kainan. And uh I did really well against him on on our first two matches. But uh I try to don't take that uh to make me relax, you know. So, I'm training for him since uh uh not being so confident, you know. And uh I think like it's our first match, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I'm super excited. It's uh I really want that belt for a long time. So, uh is the match that Flow wants, so let's do it, you know. Uh and yeah, I'm super excited to do that third match. I expect Luke come uh really hard, right? For for sure like uh when you when you fight someone that you already lose two times, I think that give you extra motivation to prepare, to win and to give everything. So, I really expect uh Luke really well prepared and with uh with a lot of wanted, right? So, I'm prepared of that and I I expect uh a war. Like we're the couple the last times the last fights as well, right? We're really excited like back and forth match. So, I expect and I'm ready for another match like this. Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely those two matches very, very exciting. And just taking a look maybe at that first ADCC match. What do you kind of or what did you learn from Luke in that first match? Cuz it was, you know, in the bracket. Of course, both of you guys kind of had three matches, tough tough matches to to go into the ADCC final. And then like you said, it was it was a back and forth match, but what do you remember from that match and what did you learn kind of about Luke from that first time you guys met? Speaker 1: Um, man, I think a couple of things, a couple of feedbacks, right? Uh he's a really good back taker. He really likes to pass outside. And but uh but I am a really good uh uh I I defend my back really well. I train a lot of defense as well, back, side control and everything. And I I think uh in general, I just have uh a better pace and a better Jiu-Jitsu in general. Maybe more experience as well, you know, to fight uh many, many tournaments so for for so many years. I think Luke kind of uh uh doesn't have the same experience of uh matches and fights and the adrenaline, the mental that I that I have for all these couple years. And I think this makes uh uh a big difference in in a match like uh with a lot of pressure, you know, final ADCC, uh CGI and super fight now with uh Who's Number One. So, but in general, Luke has a really good Jiu-Jitsu, you know, he's very complete. Very tall, very heavy, very strong guy, but uh with a good shape as well. So, good cardio. So, uh I think that's it, you know. Speaker 3: And then that that second match, you know, I feel like sometimes we see uh a Felipe Pena that kind of comes out and and kind of feels the match out a little bit of a slow start sometimes. But that that CGI match, it just seemed like you were so motivated to to get the submission and and you really went after Luke. And it just felt like a little bit of a different Felipe than than we normally see. Was did you have any kind of different intentions or or is that just kind of you your training camp and everything like that was going well, so you went a little little harder? That's what it seemed like to me anyway. You just came out and and just blew the doors off of them. Speaker 1: Man, to be honest, I think uh was more that more like no choice because we were losing on the on the points, right? And if I didn't get that submission, uh was pretty much done for our team. Uh so I had to to get that submission to put our team on the game again, you know? And uh so I I think it was pretty much that way, you know. I went to that match like, man, whatever, I'm going to fight maximum can since the beginning to get that submission because uh if I do a good match or if I don't submit or if I win the match for if it's a draw, uh we're going to lose, you know. So, it's it's out the weight on my back. So, I pretty much uh had this mentality to go there, you know, like, man, I need to give everything now, you know. Doesn't I don't I cannot pace. I cannot uh do strategy. I need I need to go 100% since the beginning. I think it was I think it was pretty much the difference um than normally when I normally fight because when I normally fight, uh if it's a tournament or a super fight, it's 0-0, you know. I I'm not losing, you know. I don't start losing. It starts 0-0 and you keep like pacing, pacing, doing your Jiu-Jitsu, exchange your Jiu-Jitsu, feeling the match. But on on the CGI, I pretty much start the match losing, you know, because my my team was losing. So, uh was similar for me than when you fight and you lose a match, you need to go after it, right? So, I start the match uh with that feeling. Speaker 3: And then you know, you just you just mentioned earlier that you you've been really kind of kind of circling and chasing this Who's Number One heavyweight title belt for a while. And obviously, you you've won everything in this in this sport. You know, your accolades go on forever. But but what would what would meaning what would it mean to you to to win the the heavyweight title, you know, as as a guy who's kind of won everything already in the sport? Speaker 1: And I think I think it's uh another goal for me, you know, because uh nowadays the Who's Number One, it's it's the biggest or one of the biggest events of super fight now, you know. And we live in an era now that the main goal is not uh be a world champion anymore, in my opinion. The main goal is be a world champion to to be able to get in on this super fight circuit, you know what I mean? To have events to call you and stuff. I think that's the main goal. So, uh I already won world, I already won ADCC, but on this new era we're living now of super fights, uh the main goal is get the belt, you know, like beat the best of the best of that event, you know. So, I really wanted to achieve that, you know, and defend my belt many times possible against the best of the world, you know, because uh I think this is this is how you prove today you are the best, you know. It's not anymore you go for uh world championship anymore, you know. You win a world championship, you're not you're not uh you you doesn't prove anymore you are the best because mostly of the best guys, they are not there anymore, you know. So, how you prove you are the best now is getting a big event, getting the belt, defend the belt against the best ones and beat the best athletes, you know. So, that's my goal now. Speaker 3: And and just like, I mean, you've seen the the Jiu-Jitsu world change so much over the years. You've been you've been in this game for a long, long time. Like like you're talking about things have changed a lot recently. I'm just kind of curious what you think of like the the modern Jiu-Jitsu scene out there and the way things have been changing and the way that that, you know, there's more opportunities for younger grapplers and there's so many different super fight shows and stuff like that. Just kind of in in general, how how do you feel about this this change that that we've been seeing in Jiu-Jitsu lately? Speaker 1: Man, I think uh it's very good from the most uh on the most aspects, right? It's uh it's way better than what it was before. You have more opportunities. You have not a monopoly anymore. Like there's many events doing uh great things. So, this give opportunity to to more athletes and this help the uh a concurrency, you know, like uh have one event here, other event here doing the best. This type of rivalry helps the sport grow, you know. So, I think uh I think I I only see that with uh positive eyes, you know. So, I think it's part of the game. We we Jiu-Jitsu is growing, growing, you know, and I'm happy to be part of this new era, you know, because back in the day, uh I I I would fight uh not expecting anything, you know. Not expect a good purse, not expect to change my life, anything. I'll fight just for just because I like it, you know, to prove I'm the best. And nowadays, like uh the athletes can actually live uh have a good life being a athlete, you know. So, that's that sounds a little uh crazy, but in uh a couple years ago, the athletes didn't have that, you know. And I think it's just the beginning. I think it's just uh grow, grow, grow very fast. But comparing to a couple years ago, it's already a big change. Speaker 2: Definitely. I'm kind of curious, Felipe, we Reed kind of asked you about this a little bit. Kind of obviously, you have so many accolades, accomplished so much in the sport and everything. Um but I am just curious, you know, what are some of the biggest motivators for you at this point in your career? Cuz there's different aspects where I could see potentially being motivated for you, whether it be, you know, winning just the title, like getting the the WNO title itself, you know, getting bigger purses and paydays. And then there is a dynamic where it's like, everyone knows you have a history with Gordon. Now Luke is kind of like the next guy up under like Gordon's wing a little bit. Like is there any motivation there for you to like kind of want to keep, you know, smashing people who are coming up under Gordon or I guess just in general, what what motivates you the most at this point in your career? Speaker 1: Uh, man, I think, of course, like this professional uh part, right? Like being being paid good and have a good life. Of course, this is important. But uh to be honest, what really motivates me, it's uh to prove I am the best, you know, because I really think I am the best. I really think when I'm well well training and have a good camp when I can beat anyone, you know, including Gordon. Gordon. So, I think uh on this super fight uh world that we're living right now, uh that's my motivation, you know, get the belt, defend the belt against the best, you know, like Victor Hugo, uh Nikki Roddy and whoever else Flow Grappling wants me to face and prove I'm the best, you know. And hopefully, Gordon come back to fight so we can do the this final fight of our chapter, right? Because it's it's true, true. So, I really hope uh Gordon come back and we put uh a stone on on that history, you know, a final stone. So, it's not not anything against him and I don't have like any motivation to be I want to beat Gordon's students, Luke or anyone like this. Uh but I just want like prove how my Jiu-Jitsu is efficient and and test myself against the best, you know, to find out like if uh I have been on this journey for many years, like I got my black belt in the end of 2012, right? So, since I got my black belt, it's been 13 years already and I I've been 13 years winning, you know, like the best tournaments, fighting the best guys. And I truly believe I I I am not in my best version yet, you know. Now I am in my best version like comparing to 13 years ago, but I really believe like in six months I'll be better and in another six months I'll be better and better and better and better. So, uh I think uh the best for me as an athlete is is yet to come. Speaker 3: And so like, you know, things like retirement aren't on your mind at all or anything like that? You you're you're going for for Speaker 1: Yeah, not really. I think uh I'm going to be here for hopefully, I'm going to be here for a couple more years, you know. Uh I'm 34 now, so I think uh you see many guys with 40, 42, 44 doing really good, you know. So, I take care of myself, you know, my body. I have a good uh a good lifestyle, you know. I take care of my health. So, hopefully, I can uh be fighting the best and winning against the best for for another, you know, another decade. I don't know. Let's see how it goes. But I don't think in in stop now, stop fighting now. Speaker 3: Did you did you watch Luke's last match there on Who's Number One against Victor Hugo? And I'm just curious what what what your thoughts on on that match were. Were you impressed with what Luke was able to do? He was in some bad spots early on. Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, uh I think Luke did great, you know. I uh I watched the I don't remember if I watched the whole match or I watched a couple parts later. But I remember like Victor Hugo got in a good position since the beginning, right? And Luke was very similar from my fight against Luke, right? Like Luke almost got my back. I escaped and then I took him down, took his back and submitted. So, uh it was very similar to that. And uh I was not surprised. I think uh Luke has a really good Jiu-Jitsu and uh in our last match, I see he has a really good defense as well, you know. So, uh was a little different than the way uh he normally fights, the way he's he's fights normally goes, right? Because normally he starts he starts strong. And uh on this match, like Victor Hugo starts strong. But he was able to to recovery, you know, to take Victor Hugo's back and get the win. He did a submit, right? Or he just got the back, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, no no submission. Speaker 1: No submission. He got the back. So, uh I was not surprised. They are two of the best and uh Victor Hugo did some mistakes and and Luke were smart to take advantage of that and and win the match, you know. It was it was a it was a it was an even match, but uh I think they ended Luke won. So, he did great. Speaker 2: Yeah, last I just kind of wanted to bring up one thing. Last time I was in Belo Horizonte uh filming with you and stuff. This was in lead up to ADCC 2024. You talked a lot about how you kind of like had the same hunger you had back whenever you were a colored belt, you know? Like you were chasing something and training hard and just had a lot of hunger to compete and perform at the highest stages. Um are you still kind of in that same phase? Like do you kind of have that same hunger and everything that you did uh leading up to ADCC and all that? Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's different when I was I was the hungry is still here, you know. I still have the same uh hungry and stuff, but it's different when you are younger, you didn't achieve, you know, uh your biggest dream and stuff. Uh so I have more like uh it's uh a more mature uh hungry, you know what I mean? I am like uh it's it's not so excited for me anymore. Like fight, fight, fight. Oh, I'm going to fight. This is not new for me anymore, anything like this. Uh but I have this motivation to to test myself against the best, you know. So, I really think I can beat all them. And uh this is the this is my hungry, you know. This is my motivation like test myself against the best and prove uh hopefully prove I am the best. Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever you go out there December 5th and take on Luke Griffith at Who's Number One, uh do you have kind of like a route to victory? Do you have a prediction for how you kind of see this match playing out or a way that you can get the win in this one? Speaker 1: Uh, I do, but I cannot say. Speaker 2: Can't give away the secrets. Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give advantage. Speaker 2: True. Speaker 1: But uh yeah, but uh I was just going to ask. Go ahead, Felipe. Speaker 2: I was just going to ask. Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think like I like I said in the beginning, I think it'll be a back and forth match, you know. Uh I expect Luke uh come very hungry, very prepared. Uh but what I can say is I'm feeling so ready, so confident that uh if it was not good for him on CGI, I think on this match it'll be not good at all because uh I am like I feel uh way better than I was in CGI, you know. But fight is a fight, you know. You never know 100% what's going to happen, you know. This is in God's hands, but uh I feel really well and really confident for the match. Speaker 3: And then just just uh looking back to to CGI cuz you you know, again, you've competed all over, competed with everybody. Um what what was that experience like competing at CGI? A little different in in the pit? Did that change anything? Uh I feel like a lot of people were talking about you after CGI and everything like that. So I'm just curious kind of what your thoughts overall on that spectacle. Speaker 1: And I think it was a great event. Uh the pit is great, you know. I if if uh in my opinion, I think every event should have a wall, a pit, something like that because that uh makes more entertainment, you know. Doesn't give space for for fighters like keeping run away. They cannot run away, you know. I think uh every event should have a wall or a pit like this. Uh so I think this is great. I didn't like much the rule set uh about uh King Tet, right? Like you you if if if it's match someone but you don't submit is a draw and you fight another person right after that and you you kind of fight on the dark. Uh I don't think this is the best uh rule set to to take the best of the athletes, you know, and you have to have more submissions and stuff. So, I think but the but if is everything for the show, you know, if the people who watch, the spectators like that, I think this is the most important, you know. And in general, CGI like changed the game, you know, like he he really step up Jiu-Jitsu. So, I think uh they are doing uh great for the sport, for Jiu-Jitsu, for for the athletes, for everyone, you know. So, I think uh I only have like the only thing I I would say it's it's about the rule set that I didn't like much. I don't I don't think it's the best rule set. Uh but in all other aspects, like I I only I only can congratulate, you know, CGI, great job, Steph and all the staff for everything they're doing. Speaker 3: And I I did want to just uh get your perspective maybe on the on the Dorian match. It seemed like that was a match that everybody was talking about and everything like that. Just wanted to get your thoughts on that match. Speaker 1: Man, uh against uh this Dorian match, I was I ended up I I started the match like, man, I I just want to draw, you know. I just I just cannot get a submission. And this was pretty much uh what happened because I gave uh 200% on the Luke match, you know. I I normally start really high pace. I know nobody doesn't do that and he was defending very well. So, I really gave my everything on that match to get the submission, you know. So, in my I was pretty much exhausted after the Luke. And when the match starts, my goal was just uh uh take it out him, you know, take it out Dorian. So, if if you don't get a submission, it's a draw, right? Yeah. So, that was like the strategy. I didn't have energy to get a submission, anything like that. So, uh I actually when I started in the beginning, I said, man, let's go. Maybe maybe I can get a submission. But after like 15 seconds, man, I I just uh I just going to take him out, you know. And and that's it. Speaker 3: And and will, you know, this is uh we're coming up on ADCC and everything like that. Uh will we see you back at the ADCC World Championships in Poland? Or is it too early to tell? Speaker 1: Yeah, I really want to do ADCC. Uh it's a little um dots dots uh how going to be ADCC, right? Because uh Mo Isabel, uh I don't know after Mo how going to be. I don't know how going to be uh ADCC next year after Mo is out because Mo did so so good for ADCC. Yeah. Uh so no one reach reach out to see how going to be, but uh my and I we don't we don't know how going to be CGI if going to be in the same date as well then then the last ADCC. So, but I definitely have the intention to compete CGI. Not CGI, sorry. I take ADCC. Yeah, yeah, we would love to see you out there for sure. Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think it'll be electric if Felipe Pena is out there. Um I did what I did just want to say, like on your CGI match with Luke, that was a fun Preguisa to see. You kind of you kind of came out the opposite of your nickname, Preguisa, you know. I was like, oh my gosh, as soon as the as soon as the match started, it was like, whoa, this is a this is a crazy version of Felipe Pena just kind of constantly just going right at Luke and all of that. Um just electric from start to finish. So, that was sick to see, you know. I hope I hope we get a little bit of that action at Who's Number One, you know. You guys just going going nuts like that. But, you know, that was a that was a sick match for sure. Speaker 1: Thank you, brother. Thank you. But that's the plan. Uh that's the plan for for December. I don't want to hold anything back, you know. So, I I'm feeling really, like I said, really prepared, really well. So, I'm ready to to push the pace for 15 minutes, you know. Speaker 2: Definitely. Have you ever competed in in Austin, Texas before? Speaker 1: Uh I think the one I competed against Gordon was in Austin, right? It was in Dallas. Was it Austin? Was it Dallas? Oh, yeah. So, I don't think so, yeah. I'm not sure, bro. I'm not sure. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we would love to see you out there. For sure. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. Speaker 3: Too many competitions to count at this point. Speaker 2: You you uh I feel like before you've talked about how you do like the Who's Number One rules. I'm just curious on your thoughts on the Who's Number One rule set and all that. Are you still a fan of it or what do you think about the rules in general? Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I think uh Who's Number One rule set is it's uh the best rule set, you know, because it's 15 minutes, only submission. It's uh very it's very easy to to figure out who won the match because of the rounds, right? So, if the if one athlete did did better, like uh you say, oh, uh favorite red and stuff. You see you know who is watching and who is fighting, you know who won the round, you know. But it's not guaranteed of anything, you know, because submission can change anything or maybe a more dominant round can change the the everything. So, I think it's just uh a very uh very clear rule set, you know. Very clear rule set. They go in submission. So, fight hard for 15 minutes to get the submission. And if there is no submission, going to win whoever is the best, you know. There is not much like uh subjective, objective rule set, you know. Uh the only thing that I would change is the wall, you know, because I think if you guys put a wall or a pit or anything like that, I think it would be more excited than it is. I think that's the only thing to stay to get the perfect uh scenario rule set for for event, you know. Because there is no the match doesn't need to stop. Uh the athletes cannot like use the end of the match to run away, to to clear the position, to set up, you know, since the beginning. So, I think uh Who's Number One is the best rule set and the only thing is missing is uh a wall or a pit, anything like that. Speaker 2: Yeah, I think definitely, you know, that makes sense. It's like the idea is to kind of take away the judges and the referees as much as you can, you know, and just like let the athletes go out there and just do Jiu-Jitsu and let Jiu-Jitsu decide it. And uh, you know, as as the pit kind of finds more and more success and you kind of realize like the pit does kind of work, you know. Speaker 3: Helps that, yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of does help where then like the like Gabriel Martins, like the head ref who's usually the one yelling stop and all that on the edge of the mat, like now that kind of comes where he doesn't really even need to interact. No resets. Like someone always wins and loses a reset. So it's like if you take that away, it's even better, you know. So. Speaker 3: Are you building a pit? Speaker 2: Yeah, because. Speaker 3: Sorry. Are you building a pit in your gym? Speaker 1: Uh yeah, like uh Tauron, the company, uh Tatami, Tauron, they did a not a pit, a whole pit, but uh a wall, you know, an inclined wall in my gym for CGI. So, I'm not using now, but uh because it's very easy, you know, you put there and take it out. So, they did a great job. But it helped helped me me a lot in CGI. And it's really fun, man, training there, you know, because this creates uh uh a whole new game when you are on this on this wall, you know. And uh because if there is no no no pit, like uh a lot of times the athletes they use that to stop the match or to escape from the submission. But when you have the pit, it's kind of the opposite, you know. The athletes they don't want to go for that because if you put your back there, it's very easy for the guy for your opponent to take you down, you know. So, uh like like you guys said, I think uh the pit even like helps the match get more excitement, you know, more excitement. So, I think it's it's I I'm really a fan of the pit. Speaker 2: Definitely. And then I kind of want to ask you one more thing. But I'll admit, like I sometimes get hesitant always asking you Gordon stuff cuz I'm like, man, at a certain point, I don't know if Felipe is like kind of over it and is like, why is media guys like Trey always got to bring up Gordon when they talk to me? But I know. Speaker 1: No, no. Okay. Speaker 2: Okay. But in the past uh leading up to like you and Gordon's matches and stuff, you guys kind of uh will DM and stuff a decent amount, it seems like. You guys do kind of talk and everything. I'm just curious if Gordon has, you know, talked to you or messaged you, reached out at all kind of in your lead up to this match with Luke. You guys been talking at all in lead up to this one? Speaker 1: Uh not really. We uh he didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. Uh I think uh he's focused on helping Luke, right? And I'm focused on beat Luke. So, I think there is no no much uh reason to exchange message now, you know. But I have no problem at all to talk against Gordon, against my rivalry. And actually the opposite of that, you know. I hope, like I said, I hope he he have a good recovery, you know. He stay healthy. If that's the main reason he's not fighting. And I hope he come back to the to the fight scenario, you know. So, hopefully, we I can I can win this belt, beating Luke. And I can defend the belt against Gordon anytime soon, you know. So, but uh we we have we had a really strong rivalry, really personal back in the day. Like I would hate Gordon. Uh but nowadays it's more we still have a rivalry, you know. And uh hopefully, we fight again. But uh nowadays it's more it's not it's not the same uh personally than what it was before, you know. I think uh it's been a long time when we chat after ADCC. So, I just wish him the best, but I really I really would like to face him and smash him. Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, obviously, you know, that that fifth match between you guys, I still think will be one of the biggest potential matches in the Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu history, to be honest. But it does sound like you have much more of kind of like you talked about, still hungry, but a mature hunger, you know. You kind of it seems like your rivalry with Gordon has kind of it's on a more mature place now where it's not so much just straight up hate, but more kind of just, you know, actual like sport rivalry. At least it seems from my perspective, but Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. It's more like sports rivalry and uh Speaker 2: Do you do you still have the photo album of Gordon on your phone that you used to have? Speaker 1: Uh let me check. Let me check. Maybe I do. Maybe I deleted it. I'm not sure. Speaker 2: Because I'm not going to lie. That was that was also one of the funniest things I've seen is when you busted out the Gordon photo album. Speaker 1: Actually, I do. I still have. Maybe. There's so much picture there, look. Speaker 2: All right. I like how it brings a smile to your face. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. Good time, good time. It's a good time. I think this is the best, look. Speaker 2: Is this going to be the baby one? Oh. This is good. This is good. Speaker 1: This is good. Speaker 2: There you go, Felipe. Speaker 1: It's a good dance as well, huh? Speaker 2: Yeah. Why wasn't he dancing at your wedding? Speaker 1: See, America's know how to dance as well. Speaker 2: Yeah, true. All right, Felipe, well, we appreciate you calling in and everything, man. We're super stoked to watch you uh at Who's Number One 31. I think it's going to be super exciting. I think it's one of the biggest matches, you know, to make right now. You versus Luke for the heavyweight title. Uh the heavyweight title's kind of been in limbo for a while now. So, it's going to be awesome to get it strapped around number one or number two in the world's waist and kind of move forward with the heavyweight division. But any any final thoughts, anything you want to say before we get out of here, Felipe? Speaker 1: Oh, just uh thank you guys for have me here. I'm I'm really looking forward to to fight against Luke and uh to say everyone watching to don't miss the match because it's going to be fireworks and let's go with everything. I'm really looking forward to that. Thank you, guys. Speaker 2: All right, thanks to Felipe Pena for calling in. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed talking to him and everything, you know. I'm excited for that match. It's going to be a huge day in Austin, Texas on December 5th when Who's Number One 31 goes down. Thank you all for calling or thank you all for tuning in, watching the show and we'll see you guys in the next episode.