#59 - From YouTube to WNO: Jordan Teaches Jiu-Jitsu on Xande Ribeiro Match

Speaker 1: On this episode of the Flow Grappling show, we're bringing in Jordan Teaches Jiu-Jitsu to talk about his upcoming match with Shanji Habero. And then we're going to preview ADCC East Coast trials. We're going to do a little draft, you know. We're going to figure it out on the fly, but we're going to draft some people that we think are going to some runs, could accumulate a bunch of submissions. So hopefully you guys can play along at home. But as always, this show is presented by IM8, the all-in-one formula for fighters, built for performance, trusted for recovery. Use code Flow Sports for 10% off and visit IM8health.com/flowsports to get yours today. That's code Flow Sports for 10% off at IM8health.com/flowsports. Now let's get into the episode. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Joey Gilps right there. Big Uncle Reed right there. Slack Barrett back MIA, dude. Dude's nowhere to be found. But we got a very special guest calling in. We got Jordan Teaches Jiu-Jitsu, aka Jordan Preisinger. Everybody give it up for Jordan. Speaker 2: All the way from Canada, Jordan, welcome. Speaker 1: Yeah. Our our not our first Canadian guest, but our first guest calling from Canada. So, you know. Speaker 3: Yeah, I was I'm glad to be here. Thank you guys for having me and uh oh yeah, hopefully it's a good show. Hopefully yeah, it should be good. Speaker 1: Hey, well, you know, there's no high expectations. We're the worst show on the internet for a reason, you know. We got to we got a reputation to uphold here with not putting on too good of shows. But uh we're obviously getting you on because you have a a big match coming up against Shanji Habero. So we'll want to dive into Shanji, talk about him, talk about how this match came to be and everything. But I think to start, you know, I think you're coming from an angle of jiu-jitsu that maybe there's there's probably a lot of crossover with our current fan base. Probably some people who maybe aren't as hip on probably not as hip to Flow on your side and maybe vice versa for us. So could you kind of tell the people like the lane of jiu-jitsu you've found yourself in, what you're out there doing in the jiu-jitsu world? Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm a YouTuber that mostly focuses on like concepts, fundamentals, uh I break down roles that I do and uh yeah, I'm like I think I'll I think a lot of beginners and a lot of uh more casual people kind of watch my show and seem to enjoy it. So that seems to be like mostly my demographic. Like I think higher belts do watch it, but you know, it probably is a little bit of a different demographic compared to like Flow that uh you know, more like competitors and whatnot like to watch other competitors compete where I'm I think I'm more of a casual kind of audience. Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think an interesting thing about Flow, I feel like we're we we make a lot of very deep cut uh competition jiu-jitsu world type of stuff, you know, but I feel like we've never really captured kind of like the newer like uh like the person who's newer in their jiu-jitsu journey. It's almost like, you know, you kind of get to a point and then you start realizing like, oh, there's this like kind of deep cut sports world uh where where then they find Flow Grappling and all of that, you know. But, you know, guys like you are definitely holding it down on the other other end of that with your content, you know, it's a it's a mix. Like I've I've watched your stuff before and everything. I got some favorite videos of yours I'll bring up and I got some questions about uh later on. But, you know, it's kind of like a mix of you're learning a lot, there's technique stuff and then it's also an entertainment aspect. I'm curious, you know, when you approach content and stuff, how much are you leaning into like I want this to be very informational, very technical, or is it like I'm trying to make entertaining jiu-jitsu videos for the jiu-jitsu world? Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's kind of both depending on like what type of video that I'm trying to make, but overall, I always want to entertain people because, you know, when I was coming up learning jiu-jitsu as a white belt to a blue belt, like I consumed so much jiu-jitsu content. Like I was just so obsessed with jiu-jitsu and I kind of try to make my channel something that I would want to watch when I was coming up and uh that's kind of the way I approach it. Like, you know, what do people want to see and what are they interested in? Because like for a long time people were just showing like techniques only on YouTube and, you know, techniques are great, but from day one I was saying that I want to teach you not just techniques, but how to actually do jiu-jitsu and I think that's what I've accomplished like by really leaning into concepts and that kind of stuff. But, you know, I also like to make funny videos that are funny like challenge videos and whatnot. Like I have prank videos, I have like um yeah, different challenges like the guess my belt challenge, for example, where I rolled with a bunch of people then after like a one-minute round I had to guess their belt. So it wasn't like educational. I mean, I guess it was in different in a different way, but yeah, I would say overall I try to have a balance of both because jiu-jitsu can be boring and uh I try to avoid it being boring as much as I can. Speaker 2: How how'd you get into this lane then then uh Jordan? What's your kind of your origin story? How'd you start training and and when when did the kind of YouTube uh come into your life? Speaker 3: Yeah, so I started training in 2012. Um I was like I don't know. I basically just decided I wanted to start this now and like I told my wife like I'm going to be a jiu-jitsu champion and all this stuff before I even started because I just knew I was going to like it and I knew I was going to succeed in it. And like I might not be a world champion, but like I think that I'm pretty good and I've accomplished a lot. So like I feel like I've held up to that uh like what my goal was from the beginning. And uh originally I wanted to be like doing MMA and uh I did get into MMA, but like the like the town I was at only had jiu-jitsu. So I just started with that and just fell in love. And uh that's been it ever since for jiu-jitsu. But in terms of the YouTube channel, it was basically coming off the pandemic. I was like it was really hard on me as a gym owner and like financially, mentally, everything. And I was just like super depressed and like I needed to do something. So one of my friends had you know, he's talking to me about a YouTube channel and I was saying like, yeah, I wanted to do that for a long time, but like so saturated. Like how do I like why would anyone want to learn from me? And he was telling me like, um, you know, people want to learn from you specifically. Like your personality, this kind of stuff. And, you know, everyone kind of has their own niche because everyone's different. It's Greg King, by the way, if if he's watching, I appreciate you, Greg King. But yeah, he kind of put that in my head of like, you know, yeah, it's like you're the niche. And I realized, okay, well, maybe I can do this. And then I just went 100% forward trying to succeed and um yeah, you know, a cool thing was I I told myself I'm going all in on this. I spent $10,000 on equipment like cameras, laptops, all this stuff. And I told myself like, you know, I'm I'm doing this. I'm going to I'm going to I'm burning the ships. I'm going to succeed and it'll be a cool story to tell one day that like I went all in and succeeded and now I get to tell that story. So I think that's I think that's pretty cool. Speaker 2: YouTuber kind of a a glamorous uh job title these these days. Speaker 1: It's the number one job kids want to grow up and be now. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I'm just wondering, did you did you ever think that you'd find yourself being a being a YouTuber? Maybe what's what's the best part now now that you're here? Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of a funny thing for me because like I have a very laid back kind of introvert personality. So I don't think I am the typical guy to become a YouTuber. I guess it's kind of funny that uh I've done that. But I I don't know. I always kind of wanted to do this and yeah, like I don't know. I always had in my head I'd be like making a YouTube channel or something like that. I I was just going to wait till like I was a brown or black belt, but then I just never got around to it. And then, yeah, the pandemic happened. I was like, well, now's now's the time. It's now or never. I got to I got to figure out a way to make money online and like, you know, boost my um presence and make things easier for myself and my family because having a gym only isn't the best strategy when things like pandemics can happen. Speaker 1: And so basically you started up your or kickstarted your channel like 2020, 2021, sometime there during the pandemic. Now it's only 2025. What's been like the process of growing that channel? Did it kind of did you immediately drop some stuff and it started getting traction or was there particular videos that that ended up, you know, getting you more growth or anything? How did that growth of your channel kind of work? Speaker 3: Yeah, so it took about like three or four months until I until I started seeing growth. Like I was just posting kind of similar stuff to other people of like technique and whatnot. And then I was just always thinking, okay, what can I do better? What can I do different? Because to succeed on YouTube, you need to either be first, you need to be the best, or you need to be different. So I really took that uh idea in mind and I thought, how can I like I I felt like I'm the best. I'm pretty confident. I'm like, how can I be different? And that's what got me thinking of, okay, I'm going to get like a really nice camera. I'm going to like record rolls and, you know, I got actually I got the idea from MMA Shredded, Jeff Chan, because he would record his sparring rounds and they were like, I really like watching them and then he'd use them to make videos like all his sparring rounds. So I figured, okay, why can't that be done for jiu-jitsu? And some people were kind of doing it in the sense of like there was some rolling commentaries like rolling narration, but not quite to the level that uh yeah, not not as much as I as I kind of started it. Like I kind of just did it more, did it a bit different and really like wrote scripts and whatnot and before like, you know, recording the audio, not just like talking um, you know, off the cuff. So, yeah, it only took like three or four months. I actually I actually used like YouTube ads in the beginning to help like propel myself, like put myself in people's faces and that helped a little bit. But then it was really I did a roll with uh 315-pound uh blue belt. I don't know if he was purple. I couldn't remember. purple belt. He has 315 pounds and someone posted it on Reddit and ever since like when that happened, it just it went on the algorithm like crazy and I just got like so many subscribers like in the next like weeks like after that and well months really. It was just like non-stop uh going up in subscribers for a while and it all started from that video. And, yeah, from there I just like just kept trying to think what kind of different videos can I make? How can I entertain people? I'm always trying to figure out like what can I do better? What can I do different? And have like new ideas, like new exciting ideas because I can't just do the same thing over and over and expect people to keep wanting to watch. Speaker 1: Whenever whenever that video started catching some traction, you know, you're watching the views go up, the subscribers roll in. Was that an intoxicating feeling? Was that like a good feeling just kind of seeing like some hard work pay off a little bit? Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like pretty like indescribable. Like that was like uh it was crazy. I I felt kind of like like, oh my God, like all this hard work, all this like hardship I've been through because again, the pandemic was super hard on me. It was like, wow, it's like really paying off now and I can really see myself having like uh a real solid go at this. Like people like this video and I can make a lot of videos like this and a lot uh more for years to come. So that was really like when that happened, when I hit the algorithm, that was really showed me that uh yeah, this can be like a real thing. It was quite it was quite the feeling. Speaker 1: Definitely. And I we will get into, you know, some of your more competition background, all of that and stuff too. But you brought up the uh guessing people's belt rank video. And I would say that's probably one of my favorite videos of yours because for one, it's just well made in the sense that like you kind of get to play along, you know, as the viewer and you can kind of guess as well. Um, but it was also a somewhat impossible task, you know. I feel like for anyone who's done a lot of training, done a lot of jiu-jitsu, it's like one minute is a hard amount of time to like really identify how good someone is at jiu-jitsu, especially like because who knows how that roll's going to go? Are you really going to get into a game or anything to showcase someone's skill? And there were a couple where it was like, oh man, it ended up being like a black belt, but I think you said he was like either felt like a purple or a blue. So, I don't know, maybe you could talk to us some about that video because that was not a place that I would have wanted to find myself in trying to have to like identify these belts, you know. What what was that video like on your end making that one? Was anybody mad at you afterwards? Speaker 3: Uh, I'm really glad no one was mad. People like understood that it was such a tough task and uh they were good sports about it. But it was definitely a very emotional experience for me because I felt so bad. Like it was crazy. Like uh, you know, I guessed two black belts. I said they were blue belts and one black belt I said was a purple belt. And like uh when I turned around and saw they were black belts, like it was like my whole like world was like crashing. I'm like, oh my God, this can't be undone. So, um, yeah, that was very, very stressful for me. And just in general, you know, like I don't want a lot of like, you know, praise or anything like that. Like I'm not looking for that. But one thing I do appreciate or I hope people understand is that like I do put myself in situations that are very tough for me. And I do it for the audience and I always appreciate when they kind of recognize that. So that's the only thing I ever want like kind of recognition for is just the fact that I will put myself in these tough spots and um, you know, and good content comes from it. But, yeah, basically like I had the idea for it, but I'm thinking like, no way. No way like a gym's going to agree to this. And then uh Karma Jiu-Jitsu, they they messaged me on Instagram. They're like, oh, we're down for this. And I'm like, well, let's do it, you know. Like but then, you know, it's it's crazy because like leading up to it, I didn't really think much about it. But then when I get there, I'm like, holy shit, this is like real. I got to actually do this. And I feel like they felt the same way almost where it was like the whole tone shifted uh when I did the first roll with uh a white belt that I thought was a purple belt. It was like you could just feel in the air like the excitement, like the nervousness and just everything after that. Like they real I think they realized, I realized we have like 20 more of these to go. And like it was just it was like such a wild experience. I'll never forget. And, you know, I want like I might do it again sometime, but I would really need like a gym to be really like kind of convincing me to do it because I don't know. I would never want to feel like I'm convincing someone else to put themselves in a situation where I don't know, they might make like they feel obligated or I wouldn't want to make them feel bad or anything like that. Like I never want anyone to feel bad on the channel. Like that's like my worst nightmare, someone feeling bad after. And that was a tough one because, you know, yeah, it's got to hurt like being told that you're a lower belt when you're a higher belt. But, you know, it is only one minute. And the kind of uh visual factor impacts a lot too where, you know, they all have white belts. They're all wearing white belts. And it's like my mind couldn't quite grasp that they were more than that. Like because it's just like visually they're just a white belt. And uh that really messed with me a lot. And just the whole thing was a cool psychological kind of experience. And it's funny like in the video, I like take like uh almost like it's like 40 seconds where I'm just like my hand's over my face. I just need like I'm just like what's it called? Like uh disassociating or something. And it was like because again, it was just such such an emotional experience. Speaker 4: I want to start doing that to guys in the gym so I can have better rounds against them. Is like, hey, could you put this white belt on? Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I feel like visually that would help me. If you're if you're wearing a white belt, like I'm going to smash you. Speaker 4: This would really help me out. Speaker 1: You're you you boys are going to fall fall into the uh fake black belt or fake white belt prank lane. You guys are going to fall victim to one of those videos. Speaker 2: Maybe. Speaker 1: Yeah. Not not me. I get smashed by all colored belts alike, bro. You know, doesn't make a difference to me. But I I I also want to talk to you, Jordan, just kind of about some of your background when it comes to competing and kind of, you know, jiu-jitsu and everything. So you're in Canada, obviously. What what uh like city or town are you in in Canada? And what's the jiu-jitsu scene like there? Speaker 3: So I'm just in a small, tiny town called Trenton, Ontario. And it's like a town of like 20,000 people. It's very small. But like the Toronto scene, like the Ontario scene, Ottawa, pretty good uh jiu-jitsu people. Like uh we've had um like Oliver Taza, Ethan Crelinsten, uh Dante Leon comes from this scene. Uh like, you know, a lot of good guys. So it's a good scene and, you know, I I always did well in competition. Like I was a competitor before I was a jiu-jitsu guy and uh I just kind of stopped competing after um, you know, the pandemic, having I had twins and just like a lot of stuff going on. So I just kind of fell off of competing. But I was competing all the time as a as a lower belt and always consistently doing well. So, yeah, and in MMA as well. Like I'm undefeated in amateur MMA, undefeated in Muay Thai. Like I was I'm always like I'm a guy that wants to win. Like I'm not just like coming to like, you know, just I'm not I don't want to do a tournament just for the experience. Like I'm coming to win. So I think sometimes people don't realize that like not that I'm saying like, oh, I'm not just a YouTuber, but like some YouTubers or some content creators like they are more so like uh I don't know, like they're not like competitors and that's fine. That's absolutely fine. But like, you know, I'm a competitive guy and I believe in myself. So I think that's one thing that kind of stands out uh to people sometimes is like I totally believe in myself. I think I'm going to win this match against Shanji. I think that I can hang with anyone. And I was telling Ben that. I think that's what kind of uh, you know, got him the idea in his head, okay, I'll put I'll give him someone good for this match. And uh, yeah, like I'm I was a competitor for a long time and and did very well in a in a tough scene. Speaker 1: Definitely, yeah. We've we've had uh Carson and uh Ryan Giuliano on, but they kind of fought each other. This is the first time we've kind of brought somebody from like the YouTube jiu-jitsu world and is actually fighting like an established like known competitor in Shanji, who, I mean, honestly, is arguably one of the greatest of all time. Like when you look at his his accolades and, you know, he beat Roger Gracie in his prime, all of that stuff. You know, so I'm wondering, is there like an any sort of added pressure whenever it's kind of like you're representing the YouTube jiu-jitsu world in a way, you know, where it's like, all right, let's see if these YouTube jiu-jitsu guys really are that good when it comes to like high-level competition. Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say there is pressure because, you know, I do want to make the content creators out there look good and not like, you know, why this guy get a a match against someone so good and he just get he just gets his ass kicked, right? Like I I don't think that'd be good for the content creator kind of community. So I feel like there's pressure, but at the same time like I don't know. Once like whenever I compete, like once I'm like doing it, I'm just locked in. All I care about is getting the win. So like I don't think that pressure is going to kind of get to me. But um like during the match, but definitely like beforehand. Like I always get nervous to compete. Like that's one reason I don't love competing is because I get so nervous because I just want to win so bad. And this match against Shanji's nothing different. I'm definitely nervous. But again, once I'm in there, like I'm locked in and, you know, I don't put anyone on the pedestal. Like I respect Shanji. I think he's a legend of the sport, but like, you know, he's a man with two arms, two legs and a neck and so am I. And, you know, he's good at jiu-jitsu and I think I am too. So like I think we're going to have a good scrap. Speaker 2: How how familiar were were you with Shanji? Is he somebody that you you watched a lot growing up in in jiu-jitsu and everything or was it a lot a lot left field? Speaker 3: Yeah, like pretty familiar because, you know, when I was a lower belt, that's when I really like cared more about like I don't know, competitions, competitors and like that kind of stuff. Um, but, you know, I used to read Jiu-Jitsu University every single day. Like I'd be eating my breakfast, my cereal and just at the table reading Jiu-Jitsu University. Um written by his brother and he was in it for a lot of it. So like I saw him a lot and I definitely knew who he was and I knew how good he was. And uh so it's kind of a cool thing for me. Like, you know, someone that like uh, you know, I watched coming up so much and like, you know, when he was winning world championships, I was just a white belt and like, you know, I was in high school actually when he when he won his first world championship. So like it's uh it's a cool thing for me and I'm just I'm just excited and grateful for the opportunity. Speaker 4: Have you since you found out that this match was on the table, uh and, you know, since signed the contract and everything, have you changed up your training at all? Are you doing more like situational stuff trying to get ready for some of the things that he's amazing at, you know, the closed guard, things like that, the arm bars? Uh or is it just kind of like focusing on what you're doing? Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just focused on myself. Like uh any like jiu-jitsu match or MMA fight, I never cared what they're going to do. Like I'm not a guy that has a game plan. Like I just like I I feel like I don't need it. Like I just I feel comfortable everywhere. And I just need to make sure that I'm in shape. And if I'm in shape, I think that is going to be a good night for me. So, yeah, I just been training harder, training more, doing more cardio and just uh preparing as much as I can. But uh, yeah, no like specific game plan. I I have some things in mind that I want to, you know, I have like kind of a loose game plan, I guess, but I I'm comfortable wherever it goes. Speaker 2: And I was sorry, I was going to ask. Um, you know, is there any moment from from kind of Shanji's um past that really sticks out to you and was there any apprehension to take the match just just because of, you know, the level of of Shanji? Were you thinking maybe maybe I'll start a little lower, work up to Shanji or were you gung ho about it right from the from the get-go? Speaker 3: Yeah, so in terms of moments, so nothing specifically kind of sticks out. Like he's just got such an amazing career other than like beating Roger Gracie. Like that's like that's crazy, you know. Roger's really good. But like so is Shanji. But like, you know, Roger's Roger's like the, you know, one of the goats. So like beating him is a big deal. And uh, yeah, I didn't have any apprehension. Uh, the name was sent to me. I said, absolutely, I will. Like let's go. And I didn't have any doubt in my mind. You know, I wouldn't take the match if I didn't think I was going to win. You know, like I think I'm going to win. That's why I took the match. And uh, yeah, I was just excited. You know, I wanted someone tough. Like I asked for different people. I asked for Kit Dale. I like respect Kit Dale. Like, you know, he's that that's why I wanted him. He's really good. And he's also a content creator. Like, you know, or kind of like one of the first kind of content creators like making like funny videos, that kind of stuff. So I thought it would be kind of funny or not funny, but like interesting, kind of like the old guard versus like the new in a sense. Um, there's other people I asked for too. And uh, but then when they offered me Shanji, yeah, I was like, I can't turn this down. This is amazing. And uh, I think it'll it'll just be a really good for me to win. And even if I don't win, you know, I think that I'm not going to get my ass kicked. So, like I I think that's what I think at least. I'm pretty sure. So I think that'll maybe look good either way. So I just think it's the perfect matchup. Like kind of uh people might think like, you know, in a sense it's kind of high reward, low risk, but like I hate losing. So like doesn't matter who it is. It's like I the risk is losing and I don't want to do that. So like it doesn't matter, yeah. **Speaker 4: You mentioned uh watching people coming up uh and uh uh, you know, seeing Shanji coming up, looking at some of the Jiu-Jitsu University stuff. Uh, could you tell us, Jordan, you don't have to talk about, you know, contemporaries, but when you were coming up, what are some of the Jiu-Jitsu channels that you would watch uh that, you know, uh uh uh that you really enjoyed? What were some of those early channels? Speaker 3: Um, yeah, I liked uh Jason Scully. I liked uh Stefan Kesting. Uh, who else? I don't know. I I I just watched everything, honestly. I just watched like I'd be like interested. I wanted to learn something. To say like, for example, I don't know, like butterfly guard. I would look at every single video on YouTube. Like not even joking. Like for butterfly guard or if it was like uh the truck or like Kimura trap. I would look at every single video I could find until I couldn't find any more. So like I probably watched more YouTube than uh probably anyone else in like my generation. I think like or at least like up there. I was just like obsessed with jiu-jitsu and, yeah, just like looking up to these like guys of like I thought it was so cool that uh, you know, they could teach jiu-jitsu on YouTube and um, yeah, like I I learned so much from it. So I'm just happy to give back and be able to do that too. And, yeah, there's just so there's so many great creators before that are kind of like forgotten about just by the current generation. But there's like so many great guys and it's just hard to like even think about them specifically just because again, like I just I watched everything. **Speaker 1: Is there outside of just the jiu-jitsu YouTube world? You got any uh any YouTube channels or anything you're you're super into? Speaker 3: Hmm. Not really. It's funny. I don't really actually watch a lot of YouTube anymore. So uh, yeah, that's a tough one. Um, yeah, not really. I like Dan Co. I don't know if you've heard of him. He's like uh he talks about like business entrepreneur entrepreneurship and stuff like that. But uh, yeah, I guess I don't really watch a lot of YouTube anymore. Mostly just like Netflix. Like the new Squid Game's pretty good. **Speaker 1: Gotcha. There's a jiu-jitsu guy in the new Squid Game. **Speaker 4: I watched I watched the first episode. I want I wanted to try to see if I could see Ferris. **Speaker 1: Yeah. **Speaker 4: Bad news. Ferris gets eliminated in like the first 20 minutes of the episode. **Speaker 1: Oh, spoilers. Ferris is this uh London-based grappler. I don't know if you know him or not, but he he trains at uh Lo's Banditos. They're kind of like this kind of wild crew of lads over in London. Uh they make a lot of stuff cool stuff too, honestly, on YouTube. But uh, yeah, I don't know. It just came out of nowhere. All of a sudden it's just like he started posting how he was in the new Squid Game. So a little jiu-jitsu representation in the new Squid Game. **Speaker 4: Oh man, if if he was in more of it beyond because like they just basically split the the room into two and then half the people leave like immediately. And he's unfortunately a part of the half that leaves immediately. But like, man, if he was in for for more of it and stuff as it kept going, I was like, dude, this would have been clutch for Ferris to kind of like scheming and and doing his thing. **Speaker 1: Yeah. **Speaker 4: You know. **Speaker 1: Cuz cuz dude, Ferris ultimate troll. He can cause a lot of mayhem. Like, you know. **Speaker 4: Well, there's there's one guy in it who convinces everybody that it's his birthday. Which is a pretty funny bit and it's not his birthday. And so then he's just like going around being his birthday. So everybody's like kind of like, you know, cowtowing to him a little bit and stuff like that. But it's just not his birthday. It's just everybody's just lying. Like I I I found that to be a new element of Squid Games that now everybody just lies. Like before everybody was like honest about who they are and stuff. But now everybody's just lying about who they are. **Speaker 1: Well, dude, not to get too much into a reality show uh rabbit hole here. This is why we're the worst show. We kind of we'll go off on some other stuff. But I am a huge proponent of lying in reality shows. I think every competitor should be lying all of the time. No truth will thank should be said. Like back in the OG Big Brother days, when people just came in with elaborate lies and they had this huge plan of how they're going to lie their way to the finish. That's what I liked. At some point it took a turn and it's like if someone found out you were lying, now everyone was like, that is horrible. No integrity. You're out. We're never voting for you to win. It's like, no, dude, that's the game. You're supposed to do that stuff. **Speaker 4: You'll like Squid Games then. **Speaker 1: All right, cool. We're we're back to lying. **Speaker 2: Jordan, has there been any consideration about lying and saying it's your birthday at WNO 31? So that maybe Shanji will curry a little favor, anything? Speaker 3: Well, actually, it is three days after my birthday for real. So. **Speaker 1: How could we ever believe that now? **Speaker 2: A likely story. **Speaker 1: Real convenient, Jordan. **Speaker 2: A likely story. **Speaker 1: Not not me. Yeah. That's our main goal is to make sure the internet has no idea when your actual birthday is. But. **Speaker 3: Just lie to them. Exactly. **Speaker 1: Yeah. **Speaker 3: Exactly. **Speaker 1: Yeah. **Speaker 2: And we can move forward here a little bit on on the uh the match here just to kind of walk through the the finish. **Speaker 1: So I know Jordan here and yeah, we can go back a little bit. **Speaker 1: Keep going back just a little bit more. **Speaker 1: Like 30 seconds more or so. There we go. Talk to us about this sequence, Jordan. Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think Shanji's a really tough guy to like have on top of you in side control, especially with an underhook. But then I also feel like I don't know. Richie seems like he could have done a little bit more um to like continue to defend at this point. Like you can see he's not really like trying to get to his knees. He's like uh yeah, he's kind of letting him sink in that Kimura. I would like letting him is the wrong word because obviously he's not. But like, yeah, like here, I would really be working to get to my knees like absolutely as fast as possible. And whereas like, you know, it's like six minutes into the match. So like definitely fatigue plays a factor. But uh I think he waited a bit too long to try to get to his knees. **Speaker 1: Does uh does a 15-minute match like is that something you're used to? Like kind of longer rounds like that or is that play an aspect at all for you? Speaker 3: I I'd rather not be 15 minutes. That's like way too long, you know. Like for yeah, for anyone. That's a long ass time to uh compete for. Like it'd be a lot better if it was 10 minutes, I think. Just because, yeah, my I think that people they they kind of get gassed after like 10 minutes and then it's kind of like who's got better cardio at this point. So like if I had it my way, it'd be 10 minutes. But like, you know, 15 minutes is fine. I'm working really hard in my cardio and it should hold up. **Speaker 1: Gotcha. Have you talked to to Shanji at at all since the match has been announced? Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked on Instagram briefly. He said that he uh spent like an hour watching my videos like like uh being entertained by them. He said he was laughing at a bunch of them. So I really appreciate that. Hopefully they were the they were the the entertaining videos, not the educational videos he was laughing at. So like uh he didn't say exactly yeah, exactly which ones. But like, yeah, he said he liked my channel. So I really appreciate that. I think that a lot of like the old guard, I don't want to I don't know how that sounds, but like, you know, kind of like the older Yeah. **Speaker 1: Shanji's old guard for sure. Speaker 3: Like, yeah. **Speaker 1: He would say that. Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I don't want to say like old, you know, it sounds like weird. But like, yeah, like I think they might not really watch a lot of YouTube jiu-jitsu and kind of realize that there is like good content out there. Like good entertaining stuff, good like educational stuff. So a lot of them don't know who I am. And uh so I just appreciated that Shanji kind of checked me out and kind of like, yeah, gave me compliments. He said it was funny, entertaining. So that was really nice of him. **Speaker 2: Yeah, Shanji's a really good guy. There's going to be no no bad blood or anything like that. Um he'll he'll have a beer with you afterwards for sure. Good guy. **Speaker 1: Definitely. You like obviously we know you're you're pretty confident, you know, a lot of self-belief and all of that too. Is there anything just like particular that stands out whenever you watch Shanji that you were kind of like, this is kind of where I see something that I could, you know, you know, capitalize on or something that kind of helped give you some of that confident? Was there anything specific you saw when you watched some of his more recent matches? Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just honestly the speed. I think I'm just a very fast, dynamic grappler and that's just a hard thing to deal with um for, you know, for a lot of people. And I think that I kind of have the advantage there and um, yeah, I think that's what's going to help me the most. **Speaker 1: I heard that you uh trained with the Flow Grappling GM Ben Kovacs. How how'd that go when you guys trained? **Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty good, you know. He's uh he's pretty good black belt. Yeah. **Speaker 4: Did you smash him? **Speaker 1: All right, we'll leave it there. **Speaker 3: Yeah, like I don't know. I don't know if like kissing and telling, you know what I mean? But like, yeah, like definitely uh smash him pretty good, you know. Thank you, Ben. **Speaker 1: Good. No, he told us you you uh. **Speaker 4: You smashed him. **Speaker 1: Yeah. Which we would expect. You're competing on who's number one. So, you know, you got to smash Ben if you roll with him. **Speaker 3: Yeah, I also had to show him like I don't suck, you know. Like so it's kind of a balance. I don't want to like, you know, go hard on him and be like a try hard. But it's also like, you know, I'm pretty good, Ben. Like you can see like, you know, you don't have to be regretful that you put me on the on the main card of who's number one 31. **Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to show him show him what's up a little bit for sure. Do you this maybe this is a content creator to content creator segment. But I'm curious, do you find because obviously we put a lot of videos of us doing jiu-jitsu out into the world as well. And, you know, it's kind of like you said, like like you don't really do it for recognition, but it is nice when people acknowledge that it's like you put yourself in a hard situation. Like one example is like we do these fixed my games where we roll with like kind of like some of the best in the world. And obviously we get smashed. Like it's like if I went out there and rolled with Adam Wardzinski and did anything, then either I'm super elite or like Adam's not as good as we think he is. And Adam is as good as we think he is, you know. So it's like put yourself in these hard situations. But one thing I've found is that whenever I'm dropping in at random gyms because like obviously we just train a lot too. So it's like we travel, we go drop in and stuff. But if people know I'm Flow Grappling, they go so hard. Like they they like usually don't tell you before the roll. They kind of roll really hard, try to like, you know, show you, I guess, that they know good jiu-jitsu. And then afterwards they're like, yeah, I watched you some of your videos. Do you kind of come across any of that in the wild where people who maybe are hip to to your content creation and all that, like uh give you harder rolls when you're in the wild rolling? **Speaker 4: Try to prove something to you. **Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely that happens. Like they'll either try to go like really hard or like really conservative, like just like kind of hold me in their closed guard or something. But like, you know, I welcome it. Like honestly, like uh if anyone wants to roll hard with me, like I'm I'm happy to oblige. Like let's go. Let's have a hard let's have a like a tough roll. Because like that's what I like anyways. Like I like hard rolls that are like uh, you know, they're trying, I'm trying and we're not I'm not trying to like, you know, slow the pace down and not be like a try hard. Like let's just roll hard. Let's have a go at it and, you know, if they think they can beat me, like they're welcome to try, but not going to happen. **Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, whenever whenever you're in Austin, I don't know how many days you're going to be here, but you got to come through, get some training in with us or something. We train at uh a spot in South Austin called Paragon, but mainly in the ghee. I know you're probably are you more nogi leaning or do you do a lot of ghee also? **Speaker 3: I would say more nogi leaning, but like I like both. So I'm more than happy to come roll and and do do some ghee training. **Speaker 1: Definitely, bro. That would be sick. Get some training in, you know, maybe we could talk some content stuff, some more ways we could collab in the future and everything if you're down. But um we appreciate you calling in and stuff. Do you want to kind of promote some of your stuff? Where can people find you? Where can they watch? What do you got coming out coming out next, you know, that people should keep their eye on? **Speaker 3: Um, I have a beginner course coming out soon. So that's something for people to pay attention to. If they're beginners, they can pick that up. But, yeah, like in terms of like where to go to, yeah, Jordan Teaches Jiu-Jitsu on YouTube, Instagram, and uh that's pretty much it. Yeah. Like check me out. **Speaker 1: Definitely, bro. Well, we're excited to have you on who's number one. It's going to be uh it's going to be crazy watching you take on Shanji. We'll be there obviously. And uh best of luck, man. Thank you for calling into the show and everything. **Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see you then. Yeah, looking forward to. Thank you so much. **Speaker 2: Yeah, no, great having Jordan on. Um, you know, truthfully, it's just it's I just I revere Shanji Habero, to be honest. You know, I I I he says, you know, don't put these guys on a pedestal, but it's hard not to. It's hard for me not to, especially just watching, you know, and and over the years, especially, you know, since since Shanji's kind of like, I don't know, maybe come out of retirement. I don't know if he ever retired, but retired. Yeah, in this kind of later half of his career. I've seen Shanji take losses, you know, over the years and stuff. Yeah, once we didn't expect at all. Yeah, exactly, you know. So, um, you know, I definitely think he obviously has a chance. Um, and, you know, I I I think he's very confident, which which is going to bode well for him. You know, definitely I think coming into it being being the more um athletic kind of fast guy with with confidence, you know, that that'll do really well. But it for me, it's it's hard for me to kind of take Shanji off that pedestal because I just think so much of his jiu-jitsu. But it definitely is a interesting match. I mean, a lot of question marks around it and I'll be I'll be watching for sure. **Speaker 1: I think one of the my biggest takeaways from talking with Jordan just right there is just how competitive of a dude he is. Yeah. It's it's like, you know, whenever you talk to a guy who is like a super competitive guy, you can kind of just feel that. And I'm like, okay, I didn't maybe realize Jordan was winning is a skill in his own. Yeah. Yeah, and you kind of have to have that drive. You have to have like a love for winning and a hatred for losing, you know, to really like compete at that level. And I kind of talking to Jordan, I was like, okay, all right, I didn't I maybe didn't know you were such a like like no, I do want to win everything I do. So I'm like, all right, that's that's a good dynamic to have if you're going to compete in such a big event and everything. So. **Speaker 2: A lot of question. **Speaker 1: We're going to take on one of the greatest of all time. It's always a good thing to win that match. For sure. 100%. But, you know, we got to dive into some other stuff now, all right? So drop a comment, let us know. If you guys are you guys out there watching Jordan Teaches Jiu-Jitsu, let us know what videos you like of his or go check out his channel if you haven't checked it out yet. Get hip to it because he's taking on Shanji. That's going to be a crazy one at who's number one 31. But this weekend, we got ADCC East Coast trials. It's it's ADCC season, baby. You know, and this is a fun season to be in. Trials are some of the most fun events in the world and uh it's going down this weekend. But I'm thinking today we last episode we did a general looking at the registration and everything. I'm thinking today we do a little draft, all right? We do a little draft presented by Athletic Brewing Co. You guys you guys heard me talk about it last week. This is a non-alcoholic beer. So you can get this bad boy. It's tasty. It I mean, incredible taste. I was shocked the first time I tried it how good it tastes. They got all kinds of stuff. This is the pumpkin and spice, the dark and goody. I love me a little dark and goody action. But this draft is presented by Athletic Brewing Co. Uh go to askforathletic.com if you want to get some of yours today and enjoy this not going to tank your cardio, no hangover. You're going to keep training, but also enjoying a little bit of the finer things in life. But I'm thinking we set up a little draft right here. We can talk through this. We don't have all the details ironed out yet. We go through, maybe we each draft two or three. You want to do three? Two. We draft two athletes from each division that we think is going to make a deep run. And then we kind of have like a little bit of a point system set up. Maybe I was thinking we could go like we could go 3-2-1 or we could go like five for a gold medal, three for a silver, and then one point for a bronze. No points if they don't podium. And we try to draft and see who can uh accumulate the most points from these divisions. What do you think? **Speaker 4: What about that plus you get a point for every match they win? **Speaker 1: Okay, so just people who go deep bronze. **Speaker 4: Like if you make the quarterfinals or whatever, I feel like you should like if I pick uh uh yeah, Tristan Zanes and he makes the quarters but doesn't medal, I should still get like four or five points from that. **Speaker 1: What about point for submission? So it's so it's they're a little harder to come by. **Speaker 4: Deal. I also think that gameifies the it gameifies it because like, okay, well like Tristan's a wrestler though. So like is that as good of a pick as like somebody I don't think is going to go as far, but like, you know. **Speaker 1: Does does do we need to adjust the scoring at all then for for like a bronze being one, but also uh I guess like submission equal one point. Everyone at home, put this in the chat GPT and tell us the best tell us the best scoring method for this. Um, I don't know. What do you think? **Speaker 4: What about like a 4-5-6 for bronze, silver, gold? So it is like super competitive like super impactful to get that. **Speaker 1: So okay. And then like you get a point for every submission win that one of your guys gets in the tournament. All right. I'm into that. 4-5-6 for uh. **Speaker 4: 4-5-6 for placements and then one point for every submission win that one of your guys gets. I feel like if we do that, whoever gets the most points in that probably did the best job picking. **Speaker 1: All right. That's fair. Let's do it. We're doing East Coast trials draft. How are we going to decide? **Speaker 4: We're doing it live. Uh yeah. **Speaker 1: Yeah, we are doing it live. You guys are watching us create this in live time. Drop a comments. How are we going to do it better? 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