#365 The Submission Tier List | Top 66 Submissions RANKED

Speaker 1: I suck at jiu-jitsu. How do I suck less? Speaker 2: Hey everybody, this is Josh McKinney and I just want to welcome you to the newest episode, episode 365 of the I Suck at Jiu-Jitsu Show. What's beautiful about that is, unless of course it's a leap year, you can listen to an I Suck at Jiu-Jitsu Show episode every single day of the year now. It's exciting, you know, we're to the to the year mark of a podcast, right? So today, you know, and after 365 episodes, hey, we might have just found something that people actually like. And a lot of people loved the tier list that we did last week. And so, um, we were deciding, well, when should we do another tier list? What should we do it on? You're like, you know what? Let's just try to put together one that's really, really great for people. Let's put all of our effort into it this week and see if we can do it even bigger and better than we did the last time. And so, instead of doing a guard tier list like we did last week, which people really are enjoying right now, that is currently on pace to be our most viewed and listened to episode ever and we're just a few days in, um, having just released it. But, um, that kind of shows me that people enjoy that thought of like, well, if I'm going to put time and effort into something, wouldn't it be nice to know, wouldn't it be nice to not have to turn over every stone to find out that it was a low tier position to dedicate all my time to? And I think that's why people really were attracted to, um, the guard tier list. And I also think doing 28 different guards, there were a few different ones that I think people could argue that I missed, but still very few. Doing 28 different guards really gives you, uh, the full spectrum to be able to say, this is what I should dedicate my time to. Um, and I really try to explain my personal bias in the tier list because every tier list will have that. But today, I decided to bite off more than I could chew and do 66 different submissions. And we are going to do a seven-tier tier list just like we did last week. Um, the worst rank, of course, being F, and then you can go all the way up to A and then S and then the double S tier. And the double S tier is kind of the gold standard and this just means that it meets our criteria perfectly. And so, our criteria is as follows. The four things, and this is in order of importance to, the four things that I looked at when building this tier list that may end up changing as you and I discuss it today. Um, but the first thing that I looked at was application at the highest level. If this is only a move that works on blue belts, it is going to take a horrible hit in our personal tier list, in the tier list that I'm doing. The second thing is risk versus reward. And I'll explain that in depth in a second. The third thing is versatility. Okay? Can this be used in all kinds of different situations? Can this be used in all kinds of different positions? How versatile is this? And then, availability. How often does this actually come up in live rounds? Okay? Um, or is this just something that is just when you get this perfect picture, is this a submission that can work? Okay? So just to go through again, the criteria is application at the highest level. At whatever we're talking about, whether gi, no-gi, MMA, self-defense, can this be applied at a very high level in in the, you know, at the the highest speed that you could be going. The second thing is the risk versus reward, and that is both short-term and long-term, okay? Um, the short-term risk versus reward is, if I miss this move, do I end up in a bad position like almost always? Do I miss this move a lot, right? So the risk versus reward, obviously the reward is, I get a submission, or I could even hit a cool submission, right? One that makes my heart warm, which is part of jiu-jitsu, it's part of the art, of course. Um, but the long-term risk versus reward is, there are some positions, there are some submissions that are hard on your own body. And when you think about it, like, um, there are certain calf slicers that you will put your knee in compromising positions. And, um, if you do that for a long enough time, a lot of times you end up paying a really bad long-term price. And so, if your goal is not longevity in training, if you don't care, if you're just like, hey, I'm here for a short time, but I'm here for a good time, then your tier list will look totally different than mine. Keep in mind though, for me, I've done jiu-jitsu for about 18 years now. And that means, um, one, that I've attempted all these submissions, hit all of these submissions in live training. Um, but almost all, there were a couple, there'll be a couple exceptions that I'll tell you guys about. Um, but, but two, it also is this thing where I love training jiu-jitsu. Training jiu-jitsu is still so fun to me, uh, 18 years later, even though it's the thing I do on the podcast, all I talk about, it's what I do, I I'm a coach, I have three gyms. I am all in on jiu-jitsu. I've been a competitor for the same amount of time that I've been training. And with all that, it it just shows that no matter how much you're like, no, I just want to win big stuff right now, like, I care about that so much less than I did when I was young. And I still just get to enjoy the community aspect, the fun aspect of training jiu-jitsu. And so, that is why my tier list looks at the long-term risk versus reward of trying to master that submission and build a whole game around that submission. Then versatility is, can this be used in gi, no-gi, self-defense, or MMA? Something that was harsh last week was, there's a few gi-only positions that were pretty much double S tier, right? And, um, I did not put them in that. I just kept them in the S tier because they had no versatility because they could because of the gi, they could only be used in the gi, right? And this wasn't a rule set thing. There's going to be similar things that pop up versatility-wise that may be like, it is illegal to do in the gi, but still, I don't think that that should be a tax to its versatility. It's still incredibly effective, even if you're not legally allowed to do it in the gi. So it won't be the same tax. I think that there will be some no-gi only submissions that still hit that double S tier today. Um, and then the, of course, the availability, is this something that actually comes up in training? Is this something that is just so niche that you can only hit it on people of a certain size, or you can only hit it on, um, with with the exact timing when you get like the right three or four scenarios to happen in a row? And so, that's what we're going to look at too. And so, without further ado, we are going to start. And, um, besides the first couple, this list is totally random. And the only reason I chose these first few to start with is just so we could be on the same page of how this criteria is going to work. So we could look at some some higher and lower tier positions that we could probably agree on, maybe disagree on. And that is the most beautiful thing about this is, I spent my whole week arguing in the comments of last week's video. And so, um, yeah, if you disagree with me, I would be happy to chat chat with you about it. If you disagree with me on too many things, you got to make your own tier video and then I'll attack you on it. Um, but, uh, yeah, without further ado, let's start with the American submission, the Americana. And this, we're saying from side control, from mount, when the standard Americana positions, okay? And, um, this, I think some people would consider this maybe a B tier move. This is something maybe we see hit less at the highest levels, you could argue. Um, but for me, this is why I wanted to start with this is because there's personal bias. Um, I hit this at black belt, uh, a few different times over the last few years, um, in the open class with heavier guys, in the gi, in no-gi, um, yeah, I've hit it, uh, and at adult and at master one. And so, um, getting that mixture of like, yeah, I've been able to make sure it's effective. But my reasoning behind having it high enough as an A, I could, again, I agree that you could argue that it shouldn't be an A, that it should be in the B category. But, here's why I put Americana at A is because of the risk versus reward. There is no long-term risk to mastering Americana. You will learn to master the position of side control and mount, which is so much more important than what submission you're hitting once you're there, right? Once you're making people ineffective and you're making them tired. And then you can hit cool submissions, or you can hit super simple submissions like the Americana. The other thing is, the short-term risk versus reward. A lot of the time, people's defense of an Americana sets you up, even though it's generally, people can eat it, they can have some good flexibility, they can then start to turn their body and use their free hand to protect. But that opens you up to all kinds of other even higher tier submissions. And so, that is why I put the Americana as this kind of like lynchpin when you get to some of these attack positions, right? And you can probably put the straight arm lock and the Kimura in a very similar category there, or even better than the Americana, maybe they're more effective. Um, but still, it's because of that risk to reward. And that's where we put, um, Americana to start. And then, I thought it would be important to show, well, what's the top? What is the most important? What's what's an S S tier position? And this is when I was saying, this is effective in a fight, this is effective in MMA, this is super effective in no-gi when it's legal. And I have competed in rule sets in the gi where this has been legal. And so, I know that's absolutely crazy, but the inside heel hook. And the inside heel hook, if you've ever been inside heel hooked by someone good at it, and someone with really good entries, a lot of times if they can catch you with the first entry early in a round, they're probably going to heel hook you over and over and over again. And so, that to me puts inside heel hook where it should be in that double S category. And so, um, I thought, again, this is why I wanted to start with these couple is just so we can all agree on like, these are what the categories should be. And now, I threw one in that really shouldn't even be here, but just so we can understand what the F rank, what the F tier is, is, um, we have the Americana again, but this time from closed guard on top. If you're going for Americanas from closed guard on top, the risk versus reward totally changes. Its level of effectiveness totally changes. You're probably going to get your back taken and most likely you're not going to submit anybody with it. And so, anyone with any skill at all. And so, um, that is going to be our first inductee into the F tier. And now, we're going to look at the loop choke. We're cruising right along, guys. We're probably going to we're probably going to holy smokes, we're only four in, like 13 minutes in. This episode's going to be three hours. Um, loop chokes. Loop chokes, there are different styles of them, different types of them, obviously gi only. But, man, they can be effective because of how versatile they are. They they set you up for so many other submissions. And you can hit them in bad positions. Uh, shout out to my buddy Nick Curran, who went on Fight to Win last week and, uh, hit a hit a loop choke, spoiler, hit a loop choke finish. Went out to just show how good he was. He like pulled mount immediately to show his skill off. Bridge and rolled out and then somehow ended up like passed, but had a loop choke. And, um, the best part is like, I, uh, on the video, uh, the commentator is like, yeah, this is no big deal. All he's going to have to do is push that hand off of his head and he'll get out of this. And then the guy tapped. I'm like, come on, commentator, get it together. That's the beauty of the loop choke is it can be effective from so many different positions. And that for me puts loop choke as our second inductee into an A tier move. Little problem with loop chokes for a lot of people is if they can't get their opponent's head position right, which is hard to get it first, you hurt your own shoulders doing loop chokes and then you go, man, I can't do loop chokes because of my shoulders. Um, so, I don't know, maybe you switch to guillotines. Uh, let's look at our next one. So, here was another one that I separated by position, okay? We could have just said triangle chokes, but here's the thing is, the different angles of the triangle, and the different positions you can be on the triangle, really determine how effective it is and how consistent it is. And, I mean, it's pretty much always pretty effective, but there is still going to be some, um, difference in effectiveness. And so, now we're going to look at the rear triangle, okay? The only real negative, in my opinion, that you could make the claim on the rear triangle, obviously, the choke is harder to finish. Um, there is no doubt. It is harder to catch that same angle and finish the choke. But it leads you to a really cool like, you could go for like the Suloff stretch, which we'll talk about in a little bit, we'll rank in a little bit. Um, we used to, see, they call that the Suloff stretch. We used to call the triangle Suloff stretch, then the triangle, we used to call the triangle Suloff stretch, the Weenie Hut Junior. And, um, like from SpongeBob. And then when you keep that knee bar leg and then you turn it into a toe hold also, we called that the Super Weenie Hut Junior. And so, yeah, that's what the Suloff stretch should be called. No offense to Suloff or whoever invented that. But anyway, we're not even talking about you right now. Quit entering our mind. So the rear triangle, we are going to put up to, drum roll, please, S tier. We're going S tier, our first inductee into the S tier. If you start to master the arm lock off of it, but you also understand where the position typically comes from, it typically comes from you getting an arm trapped on your opponent when you're on their back already. And sometimes you can end up hitting them from falling off their back, uh, to some extent, going for a Kimura, there are other entries. But, um, it is just once you get there, you get so much control of the person and there's a lot of good offense that you can do from there. And so, that is why we're going to keep it in the S tier. So now we're going to look, number six, we're going to look at the banana split. Banana split's pretty good, okay? I'm not going to say that if you were there, it doesn't destroy people's lives and it's not the most embarrassing thing to get caught in. But, I will say this, a lot of people can be flexible enough to eat that position. It's hard to get into that position. It's just, I'm sure there are people that master it, but I just don't think that it's super valuable to go over the top. And I understand there's good offense you can go for if you miss it. One time, one time, when I was a brown belt, it was my first brown belt tournament ever. Um, in my division was the current adult brown belt at my weight class, world champion. And then the current at my weight class, master one, world champion, okay? They drew each other first round of the tournament. I was like, oh, this is interesting. I'm going to get to see the difference of the two. The adult world champion was Renato Canuto, okay? And so, this is him at brown belt, this is right before he gets his black belt. And once he got his black belt, he was dominant immediately. He beat Garry Tonon like that first year. He was unbelievably good immediately. I got to experience it first. Let's not talk about that. Um, let's talk about what happened in the match before when he fights Master One World Champion. He goes out and I'm like, man, I wonder if this is going to be close. Guy pulls guard on Renato. Renato goes for a back take. Guy looks like he's defending it and then he gets tapped with a banana split. And I was like, holy smokes. I hope I lose my first round so I don't have to fight that guy. And then I won. And then we won't talk about what happened, but I didn't get freaking banana splitted, you know? It's a C tier move. Dude, he was doing it to embarrass the guy. So that's what we got to look at. That's what we got to realize with the old banana split. So we're dropping it in the C tier. Now, let's look at one. This is going to offend some people. Okay? This is going to make some people mad for sure. And, I can see your argument, but the D'Arce choke, I'm going to not put in the double S tier. I think a lot of no-gi guys, and you can even in the gi, hit D'Arce chokes. A lot of people will think, no, a D'Arce choke should be double S. I'm going single S. I think you could make the argument of even A. I love D'Arces. I use them on occasion. They're very hard to learn to defend, and that's I think a big part of, uh, their effectiveness too. They're very translatable to guys who wrestled. You know, you can teach them that on pretty much day one. So there's a lot of good things behind the D'Arce. My only hang up in it is, there's an arm length to body size ratio that is just even harder to deal with than a triangle, right? Um, like, there are guys that avoid triangles because they're like, oh, my legs are too short. Those guys are definitely having to avoid the D'Arce, right? And so, um, and I just would argue the bigger your opponent, you know, the harder it is to finish. And that is why, when when the conditions are right, it's overpowered, though. There is no doubt about that. Um, it is just an absolutely overpowered move. And that's why we're going S tier with the old D'Arce. And now, man, I would love, I personal bias, I would have this as an S tier move because I do hit it quite a bit and it's just because I I go for north-south Kimura a lot. But the head scissors. Pretty much the only place I've ever really seen it from is like when you're going for a Kimura and you fall off the person. But this thing happens when the person bridges to come up on top of you and you have your Kimura grip and you straighten your arms, like you're trying to push them away, is their chin opens up for a second. And a lot of times your leg is already laying on their chest and it can just slide right up under their neck. And I would argue with this, I do hit quite a bit of head scissors. When I say quite a bit, it's just like, it's guys that I'm actually struggling to finish are the ones I tend to hit with the head scissors because I had to I couldn't get the north-south Kimura. I couldn't get them with anything from side control or mount. And so, I'm having to go one step past north-south Kimura and, you know, risk something else, risk going for an arm bar, whatever. And it's this catch. But even though I have a personal bias, as much as I like it, it's like, is it really a whole lot better than a banana split? So I'm going to put it down here. I'm going C tier right now for the head scissors, even though it's awesome and it does, just like the banana split, it's embarrassing. But, we really didn't put in any of our criteria, we didn't talk about like Instagram views, right? And so, that's why if that was part of the criteria, these would get you way more views and we could push them up. But, we're just talking about effectiveness at the highest level. Yo, so, I got a new gi. It's really, really sick. Datsusara just sent me their Fun Gi number two. And, um, has a color stitching that I've never really seen before. It just the the gi looks really cool. The the, obviously, whatever artist they had design it took special care on this. And it's just such a unique design. I have worn it twice now and I have probably gotten 20 different comments on the gi. Everybody's like, hey, why is this shiny? Can I touch this? Can I put on your gi top? It's can I choke you with this a little bit? And so, um, it's definitely been the talk of the town. Only problem I had is I trained in it the other day, jump in the car. It's like one of the last nice days of the year out. And so, I got the windows down. Jump in the car, still gi on, still sweaty. I got leather seats, no big deal. Um, and I'm going to drive home. And on my way home, I end up having to roll up the windows because women were literally just trying to jump into the car because they were so impressed by this Datsusara gi. And so, if that interests you, if, um, being, you know, the coolest looking person on the mat interests you, being in one of the most comfortable gis that there is interests you, um, be sure to check out Datsusara. Um, be sure to check out DSgear.com and use promo code I suck at checkout and you'll get 10% off of your gi, your backpack, whatever you want from them. But be sure to check them out. level. Now we're going to go knee bar. What do you mean I can't knee bar? I drove all the way here from New Jersey. Uh, knee bar. I put in the A tier. I could argue that some people definitely have it in the S or even the double S tier for their own game. But I think that the angle, the positioning tends to be harder for people to understand than some of the other leg locks. I think other leg locks can be put into your game more effectively and caught more consistently. Now, I think that a lot of people, I think if people if the meta went back to knee bar is like, hey, let's just get really good at knee bars. Um, I think that it could be brought up, but right now, considering an A tier position, you know, it's just a little hard to catch your angle to keep guys from spinning and to learn how to do that consistently. Um, still important to put into your game as you start to learn leg locks and just have an understanding of, know how to defend too. Um, sometimes, man, I almost got Josh Everett, friend of the show, almost snapped my leg off on Sunday with a knee bar. It was so fast too. I kind of thought he was going to go toe hold, but he just didn't even have that intention. He started to hip in and I'm honestly, I even told him after, he just I think he thought he didn't have it because it was a little low, but it was so dead on. I think if he would have just hipped in and stayed on top, he would have finished, but he's like, oh, I got to adjust. And then when he went to adjust, it gave me that inch to get out. But, man, that was tight. That was a we're going to call it A tier. We're calling the the knee bar A tier. Now we're grabbing our bow and arrow choke. Really, it's a gi only move. If we just a gi only list, it's double S tier, it's not even close. Bow and arrow choke, one of the most important things to put into your game if you're doing if you do gi because it allows you to suck at controlling from the back and just still have a crazy high submission rate. There is a little risk of position. You can lose it, but to me, the bow and arrow, we got to throw into the S tier. I just I just don't even see how we can make that argument against it. Uh, where are we at now? We're at the straight arm lock. We also are tying this in with shoulder crunch, okay? So we have like the, you might call it the arm wrench that from your guard or from a triangle choke even where you pin the wrist between your ear and shoulder. There should be visual cues on the video if you're not seeing this. If you're listening to this, obviously it's a podcast, we're audio first, but I highly recommend this video on video because, uh, the tier list itself, getting to see it and actually see, you know, Brian Allen and Bryce Allen sacrificed their body so we could get actual pictures of all of these things. And so, um, they're at least a little bit better visual cue, hopefully, for you. Um, but we're saying straight arm lock and, you know, that also could be from top side control, you know, when people defend an Americana or Kimura, you hit that same straight arm lock. And, um, to me, I think that I'm putting this in the A tier. But I think you could easily argue it's S tier. Um, the straight arm lock is such an effective attack. Let's, you know what? I'm doing it. I'm putting, I know I had told myself, my original, I've went through all these, obviously, already, but my original thought was putting that in the A tier. But when I think about it from top side control and how what's the risk of going for it? Even when the guy straightens his arm and you're going for an Americana from mount, what's the risk in going for it, right? A lot of times it leads to good stuff, it leads to other attacks. Um, and is people get tired. I finish like with the Kimura setup grip, I finish straight arm locks from top half guard all the time. I don't go for them as much anymore, I just try to pass anymore, but I used to do it all the time. Um, and so, I think that straight arm lock, we will put up into the S tier. Now, here's a niche one. This one's fun. Um, when we had the list together, Bryce didn't know about this. He was like, bro, neither of the Allen brothers, they were like, hey, is this is this right? Is this right on the list? What's this? The Diesel Squeezel. I don't know if you guys know of the Diesel Squeezel. Shout out Jim Kelly. Um, they are, uh, in Iowa. They are, uh, uh, a tag team affiliate, Jim Kelly. There's a good, I think Keenan has a video teaching the, um, the Diesel Squeezel, but it's basically, it's solving the problem of being able to cut off the blood flow with a front headlock guillotine without having to change position, right? So, I'll get way too detailed. If you go for any choke that is a blood choke, as simple as this sounds, we don't think of it this way. You've got to touch both carotid arteries. That is incredibly essential. That is the only part that actually matters. And you have to close them off. That is how you put people to sleep, okay? And so, a lot of times what happens is, we do these guillotines that require so much angle and pressure to close the other carotid artery off, okay? Because what happens is, we dig our arm in and our bicep is closing off one side, okay? And then it's so hard for us to get our arm around and get our forearm to close off the other side. So we do things like grab the chin and try to use our fingers, all kinds of other things. The Diesel Squeezel was just a move that was used with a certain grip where you can use your fist from the other hand. So it's basically a punch choke on your free hand. Your, if you were doing an arm-in guillotine, the one that would be over the body, or over the arm, I mean, um, the one that would be, you know, kind of overhooking the arm to be arm-in. That's instead going to be in front of the arm and you are going to go fist choke with that hand. And that is a, um, uh, very, very very tight choke. And the thing, again, just because we're going to describe a million chokes and they're going to be spread throughout. While I'm on this this podium or whatever, um, this high horse. Uh, with a choke, you with blocking a carotid artery, it doesn't actually take a whole lot of pressure. And so, um, the amount of pressure that I've heard used as an analogy and Chat GPT says that this is true. Um, is that, uh, if you were to grab an avocado and you were going to test to see if it's ripe, it takes the amount of pressure with your hand to squeeze and decide if it's ripe or not. More than that is more pressure than you need to cut off a carotid artery, okay? So you have to understand this. Choking somebody has way more to do with contact with that carotid artery than how hard you're squeezing and what grip you have and all this. And so, to tighten up any choke that you're trying to do that puts that's supposed to put people to sleep, make sure you kind of just follow along where his carotid artery is, or her, everyone goes to sleep, and how can I block them using this choke? What angle makes sense? And we'll get way deeper into that, but let's just move on and we'll say, we'll take, I don't even know if I said this. I've got a little I've got some bias. I want to even put it up higher. But we'll take it, we'll put the Diesel Squeezel as an A tier position. And I would say probably one of the most underrated moves that we're going to talk about, uh, today because so few people know about this, but, man, there is, uh, um, it can be effective. It can make people make really bad decisions. It can be a really and it's so low risk, right? You're still not losing the front headlock. And so, big fan of it. Now let's look, another front headlock position is we're going Anaconda choke. And I did put this just one tier, um, uh, below our, wait, have I done that one yet or am I lying to you? Oh, never mind. I almost just revealed something to you guys that I hadn't said yet. But, we're going to grab our Anaconda choke. And we are going to put this in the A tier. Um, and the Anaconda, I don't know. I think, I I just put it a little lower than D'Arce. That's kind of where I have it at. It it controls the person, it can be really effective. It can gas your arms out if you don't do it right. It can be hard to get the right angle, though. Um, but it can be versatile in any situation, right? In a fight, in in gi, in no-gi, you can use it. And so, that's what puts it keeps it up in the A tier. Um, as a guy with arms that aren't crazy long, just normal size arms, not my favorite. Doesn't hit for me, not something I really would rather master. I would again, rather go with something that just attacks the neck. Um, so, here is our next one. And this one is hard for me because I love it so much. I really do. This is one of my favorite positions. But, again, I'm trying to not be biased on this. I want to put this A tier, S tier, double S tier. People should just be mastering it more. And I agree that people should just learn how to play this position more. But tapping people with Kesa Gatame pressure. If we were doing a tier list of how it feels in your soul, it's a triple S tier. It's the best feeling, yeah, it's the best feeling that you could have. It's like, if you, if you are going with somebody and you're in side control, and they're getting tired and you're beating them from everywhere, but you can't submit them. And then they win the far side underhook and they're like, haha, I've done it, but they're getting tired. And you fight the far side underhook. You just don't let it don't let them come up on their side. And you just keep them flat, keep them flat, keep them flat. And then at one point you hook behind their head and then you set up your Kesa Gatame. And then you put the pressure. You can just ruin people's lives with that, bro. And it's just it's so they get this choice. And I've been tapped with it. You get a choice. I've gotten the choice of like, I suppose I could die here. And that's why I love it. Here's the problem with it. If you miss it, man, if you miss it, if your timing's off, the risk is your back gets taken or you end up on bottom. And so, it just it's I'm going to have to drop it into the B tier. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just don't I don't know what else you want me to tell you. I just have to. I have to do it. And it's a apologize to friend of the show, Jeremy Brick. I know you're just furious. You're literally drive you to set Head Nodd HQ in Granite City on your GPS. You're driving to my gym right now to start Kesa Gatame pressure tapping people. I'm not saying it's ineffective. I'm just saying the risk to reward. That's all I'm saying. Now let's look somewhere else. I'll pair it. Now we're I think we're going all B tier. Okay. B. I won't even get into it. Let's just let me just put it out there. Arm bar from bottom. An essential move, we all agree, right? You can't do jiu-jitsu without knowing the arm bar from bottom. But I would argue very few people are actually good at arm bars from bottom. Very, very few people. Um, like once you get to purple belt, people stop really hitting many unless they're like defensive, unless they're from guard retention. But still, it's like most things you're seeing a lot more triangles as finishes off the back there. Um, or leg locks, right? But arm bars from bottom tend to be harder to set up. Now, I think it's informational. I have an arm bar master class free on the YouTube. I'll make sure we link it in the description. Um, but, uh, I think that if you understand how to control the shoulder, you can hit an arm bar from anywhere, it doesn't really matter. And so, that being said, most of these positions, you could argue that somebody has brought it to a very high level and you can use it at a very high level. It's just, you know, we got to bash some positions, right? And I would say in general, most people lose position more than they hit the submission going for an arm bar from their back. And, um, I agree that it is partially just because they don't understand it, but I still think that that puts us in the B tier. And I'm sorry to you guys who've drilled tens of thousands of arm bars, dead pan with no resistance. I apologize. I'm sorry that I offended you. Here's the thing. I know you're not going to arm bar me for it. I know you didn't, you know, gain the skill from those 10,000 reps of no resistance and no timing. So, I'm not too worried about it. But if you watch the arm bar master class, you would get the information to arm bar me and you could get your payback. So, I don't know, do that. Let's insult somebody else. Ninja choke, stupid D. Do I need to say more? Stupid. It's stupid. Why are we going for these? You see them like, oh, we see them in MMA. Yeah, that's because guys suck. That's because guys don't know how to just like shrug their shoulders. Like, what are we doing, dude? How would you why are you letting people do ninja chokes to you, dude? Ninja choke is like if you took a guillotine and a D'Arce and you combined them together and then you got rid of all of the control. And, um, that's what the position is. And so, yeah, I just Ninja choke D. There's no more to say about it. Uh, ooh, cross collar choke. Again, essential jiu-jitsu position. I love the cross collar choke. Super hard to master. I felt maybe two guys and gotten to roll with like two guys that I feel like actually had a mastery of the cross collar choke. Just so hard to get good at. And so, um, not that it's not an effective move, uh, but and not that I don't love it, not that I don't think it's cool, but we still got to put it. We got to put it in the B tier. I'm so sorry, my friend. I am so sorry, old friend. Now we're going to look at and people are saying I was hating on Tenth Planet last week, but I feel like giving I feel like giving rubber guard an A tier position last week was not hating at all. I didn't, you know, I was just being honest about lockdown, but whatever. Um, so this week, now let's look at gogo plata. This will probably surprise people. People will probably be like, Josh, this is going to think this is the stupidest position in the world. And yes, there is long-term injury risk to this. But, but, there are Omoplata entries from top or gogo plata entries from top that, um, um, like from Monoplata setups and stuff that are way more effective and I would argue you get you don't have the person's pressure on your body and so so much safer for your knee. And so, for the gogo, I'm putting it in the B tier. Like I said, could be a little biased. I I think it's a cool submission. I could have dropped it, you know, people would have been excited if I dropped it in the F tier. If I wanted comments, I would have said it's an F tier move. But, I feel like B tier is fair. I feel like it's like, that's this tier list. This my goal is like, hey, this was just but it was fair. Um, now, let's look at, oh gosh, why did I put these two together? Um, so we got two Tenth Planet. Now we got the electric chair. Um, the setup to it is hard because it risks being in smash half and that is or in bottom side control. And that's why all you Tenth Planet guys want to try to master the buggy choke is because you play too much lockdown and you get passed. Like, not getting passed keeps you from having to use the buggy choke, right? And so, um, with the electric chair, it's like, if you use it wisely, if you use it as part of your guard retention, meaning like, you have me in dangerous threats while I'm trying to even with your rubber guard, you're threatening me with your rubber guard. And then I start to get inside and I start to put you into a half guard and then all of a sudden you're threatening me with your electric chair. I had to fight to get to the position where you go to your electric chair, then electric chair is effective. And here is the thing about electric chair. It hurts like the dickens. I, yeah, I have a student, won't shout him out, tore his ACL in an electric chair. Obviously, getting it done to him, not doing it. Um, but, rough, rough position. Not a fan, uh, of being put there. But, I'll also say this, with the Allen Bros, who are the guys we were, you know, taking these pictures with, uh, they had me, uh, they were pretty much resisting certain things at full strength because they're crazy. And, uh, the electric chair was one of those things. And so, um, and it was pretty easy with just even slight resistance to keep me from being able to destroy Brian's leg like I wanted to. It's just like the setup is so hard. That being said, it keeping it out of the C tier is just how OP it is once you get there, dude. Your life's ruined once the guy gets there. And so, um, and I know it was the vaporizer, but listen, let's not even let's not split let's not split hairs. Um, when when Eddie Bravo did that to Hoiler, the the second time they competed, like when they were old, the Metamoris time, that was sick, dude. But, we're dropping electric chair in the B tier. Yeah, how Hoiler just ate it was pretty wild too. Um, but it's just, yeah, that was that was a crazy match. Anyway, now we're back. Rear naked choke. Rear naked choke. Step it up now. Walk the tight rope, rope, rope. Do the moonwalk. Rear naked choke, choke, choke. Name that in the comments. Don't Google it. Come on, be cool. Give me the comment. What song is that? Literally for the longest time, that was the greatest song in rap song in jiu-jitsu history, right? Jiu-jitsu rap, no doubt. Um, I don't think it is anymore. I don't think it is anymore. Um, lyrical, lyrical, lyrical, lyrical jiu-jitsu rapper, gift the gift rap volume one and volume two. I think that's the albums on Spotify. Available on Spotify, available on probably YouTube. I don't know. There's one that's really good. He has one song. It's a banger. He's he's a Midwest guy. I think Michigan is Michigan Midwest. I don't know. Um, but Lyr, Lyr is his name. I've coached against him at jiu-jitsu tournaments before. Uh, but while I was coaching against him, I'm like, oh, dude, this guy's raps. This dude's beats are sick. Anyway, I'm off topic. What am I even supposed to be talking about right now? Um, oh, yeah, rear naked choke, double S tier. Uh, master it. Most people don't and it ruins their life, but master it, dude. It is so, so, so, so, so, so effective. Master it. What are you doing? Get it together. Why are we even having this conversation right now? Master it. You should be good at the rear naked choke and most people suck at it. Most people are absolutely terrible at the rear naked choke. And it's not because it doesn't work. It's just because you don't know you don't understand how to hand fight. You don't understand your hand positioning, where you should be. You don't understand your head positioning of the back. It's because people don't understand the back. But when it comes to a fight, when it comes to a jiu-jitsu match, the rear naked choke is effective in every submission or every situation at the highest level. You can't be tough to it. It even works over people's chin if you want to be mean. Uh, yeah, just totally overpowered. For the art, for the art is the song. That's the Lyrical, Lyrical for the art on Spotify. I should have just linked it. I wouldn't have had to remember that, but maybe I'll remember to link it. Um, rear naked choke, yeah. Also, give me that quote. If you if you give me the quote, guys, if you if you know what I quoted to get on that crazy tangent, um, the walk a tight rope thing. Let me know. I want to hear about it. I just want to talk to somebody about that that experienced that with me, you know, back when it was cool. Now let's look at Peruvian necktie. Cool move. Useless. We'll throw it in the C. Useless. Right? AOKI lock. Hard to not put this in the double S for me. I think you could argue it. I think we could all argue it. Obviously, illegal in the gi, but there was this golden time that you guys may have not even heard about. It's probably like six years ago now where a pretty much one, maybe two competitors were doing were illegally doing an AOKI lock in the gi with the lapel. You would grab your own lapel and you would shelf their heel on your ribs. And then from like while guys were still on top, you would just twist your body and hit them with the most vicious inside heel hook pressure for like no freaking reason. Just just destroy people's legs. And you would get they would pretend it's a straight ankle lock. And, um, because people didn't understand the position. And it was just it was a golden time to have that information. And I would argue I was probably one of, you know, I was one dude that had that information at the time and I stole it from a competitor that will just let let we'll let his legacy remain untarnished. Um, but if you look back, it was definitely doing it. I definitely stole it from one specific person and it was super, super illegal. And now it is illegal. But, AOKI lock, it's so hard to not put this in the double S for me. It's just so overpowered when you use it. And technically, you can still use it in the gi. If I'm going for a straight ankle lock and you are actively pulling your own heel out like you're trying to get away and then that's why I start the attack and I start I'm like continuing my first attack. That, I believe, don't quote me on that. Don't get DQ'd on my account, but I'm pretty sure in the gi and the IBJJF that is legal still. Um, you know what, screw it. I talked myself into it. We're going double S for the AOKI lock. Are we going double S? That's too much. It's too much. Is it as a I'm going S. I'm back down to S. We're going S for the AOKI lock. We're putting it with the D'Arce, the rear triangle, bow and arrow, AOKI lock, clock choke, arm bar from top, our what does that say? Our outside heel hook. Sorry, I can't read and my eyesight isn't great. Um, our Bravo chokes, our toe holds and our triangles from mount. Those are all S tier, meaning you're going to get great value out of dedicating time to any of these submissions. You can build a game around any of these submissions. Now we'll drop it one more tier. We'll go into our A tier. And so, we have our low risk Americana. We have our loop chokes. We have, of course, our great and effective, again, low risk. You'll find a lot of low risk moves in the A tier because there's a lot of like tricks that we're throwing in this one. Like the muffler, that's just a it's really just a trick if you can't get under the chin if it's allowed. Um, and muffler is in the A tier. Then we have our north-south choke. We have our straight arm lock. We have our Tarikoplata. We have our Monoplata. We have our wrist lock. And we have our paper cutter choke. And so, we've got, man, we've got the whole gamut there. We've got all kinds of great things in the A tier, but remember the A tier is still, you're not you're not going to go wrong building a game around these and and adding these to your game. And a lot of these too about the with the A tier is a lot of them don't require crazy amounts of dedication of time still. Um, that's when we start to go to the B tier. That's that was something that hung me up with a lot of things that get pushed in the B tier is the time dedication. That long-term risk to reward just was not there. And that's what pushed certain things into the B tier. And so, the B tier was Kesa Gatame pressure. That was just short-term risk. Um, I think it's a great position to learn. Arm bars from bottom. Um, obviously, we separated the choy bar. We didn't do uh, choy bars from bottom. I think that's a much more effective arm lock that more people could implement into their game quickly. Uh, even though it's not essential jiu-jitsu move, you know, it's not day one jiu-jitsu move that's supposed to be being taught. Uh, then we have the Estima lock. Again, effective, but we're seeing it be less effective. We have the Ezekiel choke, effective, seeing it be less effective. And these are things that you're not going to go wrong. You're not wasting time. But just the effectiveness of them is they're they're starting to get there. They're they're catchable, but they're just getting too niche. You just shouldn't dedicate a lot of time. You can learn these, you know, go to a class that teaches these. Don't dedicate six months to them, though. Um, don't dedicate years of your jiu-jitsu to them. It doesn't make sense. Uh, honestly, we could do without these. The D tier. We have our ninja chokes, our hammer locks, our buggy chokes, our Japanese neckties, our Conto chokes, and our scorpion locks. All D tier. Throw them out. Learn a video. Google each one. Watch a five-minute video on how to defend each one. Never have to worry about them again. Um, you're not going to get surprised from them. And then F tier, if we wanted to, could just be stuffed full of stupid stuff that people do. But F tier right now is just Americana from somebody's closed guard when you're on top and then guillotines from bottom side control. If you wanted one more that we would throw in F tier, it would be when you do a bow and arrow choke, but you try to choke the person with the grip under their armpit. So you're not choking them at all. Um, and like sometimes you'll even get the tap from the actual just broken spine that they have from you trying the bow and arrow choke so horribly. But if you wanted one more F tier, that's one. Uh, besides that, that's all I have for you guys today. If you guys enjoyed, um, today's episode, I hope you did. Um, uh, I enjoyed making this. This was fun. It's fun to do this tier list and just have a different format that we're doing. If you guys like the format thing, let me know. Give me some other ideas on what formats or or what tier lists we can, uh, we can run with. And what tier list we can, uh, for jiu-jitsu can use. It just seemed like people found the last one helpful. And that's what I really cared about is that like, if we can have guys feeling like this is helping them and the podcast is like, each week there is is fun as and entertaining as it is, but each week you know you're going to get a piece of information that can help you look at jiu-jitsu in a different way and that can ideally help you in the long-term. That's what I hope for each time we do a podcast episode. And I feel like the tier list really hit all those notes, right? So, um, if you're new here, which it seems like a lot of people are, I really appreciate you guys tuning into the show. Um, but, uh, how the show works is, we pretty much go off of your guys's suggestions and your guys's ideas. And, um, we just present. And so, uh, the other thing that we have coming up soon is I've just about enough hot takes for a hot take hotline, the first ever hot take hotline episode. Meaning, if you were to call 951 hot take right now on your phone, you would hear me say something like, hey, it's Josh. I need a hot take from you. Tell me your belt, tell me where you're from, or keep it anonymous and give me a hot take. And I've gotten some really funny ones from people who are kind of getting the idea. And they can leave a hot take that will be played on the show and then, of course, I'll interact with it to some capacity. Um, but also, there are hot takes and suggestions being texted to us too. And we're just using the hotline for all that. So, again, that's 951 hot take. And, uh, yeah, I would love to hear from you guys and, of course, I would love to hear from you guys in the comments. I would love to hear what you thought about this list and what where were my big misses? What were the, uh, parts of this list that you're like, no, that shouldn't be an S tier, that shouldn't be an F tier, that's you're totally off on it. And so, uh, yeah, if you guys can see where I was wrong, I would love to hear about it. Uh, but besides that, thank you guys for checking out today's episode and I hope that today's episode helps you guys suck just a little bit less at jiu-jitsu. Have a great day, guys.