The Real Reason You Prefer Gi Or No-Gi (It’s Not What You Think)

Speaker 1: Are you a no-gi guy or girl? Or are you a solid gi person? Does it matter? Is it important? What should you try? It comes up a lot, Joe. People come to me and they say, "I want to try jiu-jitsu, but do I train in the gi? Do I train no-gi? Why? How? What's important?" Because there is a definite split in jiu-jitsu culture around the gi and the no-gi. And I want to talk about the archetypes, you might say. Speaker 2: Hmm. Speaker 1: Talk about, hmm, what kind of a person is attracted to training in the gi? Speaker 2: What has Jungian psychology taught us about gi folk versus no-gi folk? Speaker 1: Um, more of the shadow self is attracted to gi. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: As been revealed. No, I I think it's one of those things that I had been thinking about this because I had been going, I had a few chats with uh, the Raspberry Ape about gi, no-gi, who like, why is it important? And I believe certain people prefer a certain type of training. So let's break this down as to you're someone who you already you're early in jiu-jitsu, you're not sure. Because I've even had people who've trained for a little while and they're like, should I choose one or the other? What should I choose? What's going to be better for me? And I think this is a a pretty personal question, but it does come down to a few personality traits or preferences. Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe. Speaker 1: So, what do you what for you, Joe, when you're thinking about the gi, no-gi, because you've been doing more no-gi lately. Is that right? Speaker 2: Well, that was sort of the thing for the last couple of years, but but no, lately it's been more gi because that's what I'm that's what I'm teaching, yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, I'm like, all right, fuck, I got five techniques to teach you guys. It's a new wave shit, guys. It's X-guard and there's like one sweep from X-guard and then there's closed guard and sit-up sweep and we're done. Speaker 1: Just get really good at that. Speaker 2: Um, no, but I this actually makes me reflect on part of the conversation we had with Raspberry Ape, which was when I made the point about that I don't think most people I don't think what drives most people in jiu-jitsu is to get to black belt. I think what drives them is just to be a bit of a savage. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And it's just like, I want to be I just want to be a tough cunt. I want to be a hard roll. I want to beat some people in the gym. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And I was thinking more about that and I and I think that that clearly shows you guys how my mind works. Speaker 1: Perhaps, perhaps. Speaker 2: Right? And there's a bias there because I think if you have the potential to be a bit of a savage, a bit of a hard cunt in the gym, then that's the thing you start to desire because you're like, Speaker 1: That's the inclination. Speaker 2: Yeah. But as we know, there's a whole bunch of people that that's not on the table for. Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: Right? People who are naturally less athletic, people who maybe just don't have the confidence. A lot of females, right? In a male-dominated environment, right? And and and and a whole array of other folks who just their mind doesn't work like that. Speaker 1: Yeah. Or maybe they've they've got other priorities and jiu-jitsu is just a nice part of their life. Speaker 2: That's right. But but even to that, I I would even maintain that you can have that sort of driving force and still just train twice a week. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: It's just like when I'm there, I'm like, how do I see myself in this world? What do I want to be? Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: And so it makes me think, well, there's probably a bunch of people with other driving forces. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: And some of them might be like, and I mean, you know, we have that archetypal kind of nerd in jiu-jitsu, right? Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Speaker 2: They're they're they're knowledged up on all the shit. They're like fucking, you know, like beautiful mind type. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: You know, like minority report with their fucking game plans and shit. Speaker 1: Zach Gandalf and Arcus, all the stats. Speaker 2: Yeah. And and they're and like, don't get me wrong, in the world of jiu-jitsu, they're a tough cunt, they're a savage because technically they're so fucking good. Speaker 1: They'll mess you up. Speaker 2: They're all over you, but but they're not doing it because they're driven by that kind of necessarily that egotistical kind of masculine thing. Speaker 1: It's more intellectual, perhaps. Speaker 2: That's right. It's like, I want to be the fucking best at this. I want to know all the new shit. I want to be on JPS's new fucking squeeze the puss guard, whatever the fuck. Speaker 1: Atomic Pussy Dojo. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: No, no, Atomic Dojo, shout out to our boy JPS. Speaker 2: JPS, love the guy. Um, but the but so I think then in that regard, when I'm thinking about that kind of person, I'm like, seems to me they'd probably love the gi. Speaker 1: Potentially, yeah. Speaker 2: If you have that kind of intellectually sort of intellectual approach. Speaker 1: Hmm. Speaker 2: Whereas, and this is talking more about myself, Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: If you're the kind of person that and this is a simple way, we use a little test you guys can do at home. If you finish your training session and then at some point as you're getting changed, when your gi top is off, you check your rear guard in the mirror when you got a sick pump. You are the no-gi archetype. Speaker 1: The bro. You are an you are bro-jitsu. Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, fuck, damn, I never get a pump like this at the gym. Shit, my forearms. Yeah, I didn't know I was that big. Fuck. And you know, Speaker 1: There there may be some of those people who are in the gi too, but what no, I I I agree with you in the sense that there are certain aspects to the gi that are not present in no-gi and vice versa, right? There's and it's not even pros and cons, it's just elements there in. And I believe if for all my folks who love the gi, there's a degree of control there. You know, you have more ways to control your opponent. There's more ways to fuck them up. There's more ways to slow the game down if you want. Not that you have to. I mean, there's you see some crazy furious cartwheels and all kinds of stuff. You know, plenty of people move like that. But I I believe people who are very dedicated and love the gi, shout out to back. They really like all the grips, all the control, like they're just so hard to deal with because they have really studied the nuance. But if we then go to the freedom of no-gi, which is someone's kind of got you in an armbar and you're like really sweaty and you're like, pretty sure I can just fucking explode out of this. And you're out, you know, it's just like, Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Hey, I'm free. And I think, Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, my jiu-jitsu is sick. Speaker 1: So good. My escape was so technical. Explode. And that's the funny thing, like that is also a frustrating thing when you're like, I've totally got this fucking armbar. Gone. Yeah. Shit. And that also means you have to be very like tight with with certain things. Like you can't you can't kind of half have a hold and be like, yeah, I've got this person, I'm chilling. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Because if they do burst and twist, you're like, I totally you go from I've got the back to shit, I'm in guard again. Like, I worked so hard to get the back and now it's here we are again. So I think this idea of like, at least when it comes to movement, the freedom of no-gi really appeals to some people. And when you talk to people who are like, oh, I don't I just feel so much friction. Even Gordon Ryan, who, you know, for for I don't know, maybe eight years, 10 years, definitely like the best, had it's I think, you know, probably, I can't remember what year it was. He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna get in this gi shit. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take over. Two posts later, man, fuck the gi. Like he was just like, nah. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: He was just like, no, fuck that. And and I think that's one of the challenges that when you first start jiu-jitsu, it's so confronting how big it is and the gi just adds a world of um, friction and restriction, which many people don't vibe with. Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's it's very foreign when you first put it on, isn't it? Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: You know, versus versus no-gi like it's it feels very natural. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: You're like, oh, we're just like wrestling here. Like, you know, Speaker 1: This is Yeah, but the whole, I mean, I still find that sometimes, I guess when you yeah, maybe if you've been in a bit of a no-gi run and then you and then you jump in the gi again, you're like, ah, fuck, like the restriction in it, the grips and everything. It is hyper-specific. And I mean, maybe you told me this, but guys like um, uh, Nico, he mentioned this, right? Um, whereas like it's way harder to be a gi world champion. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: 100%. Speaker 2: Like, and so, you know, conversely, going to no-gi is like a much easier pursuit. Speaker 1: It it is. I I I think and and some people are gonna some people are not gonna like this, but you don't it's okay. Like this isn't personal. It's like, don't take my don't take my word for it. Look at the best of all time. You do not find someone who came up in no-gi who becomes a gi world champion. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Doesn't happen at the black belt level. But you do have uh, black belt gi world champions who are also no-gi world champions. Speaker 2: You do, yeah. Speaker 1: It doesn't go both ways because the gi is harder. You do not have to take my word for it. Even Demetrius Johnson, who's widely considered one of the greatest MMA competitors, champions of all time, recently said, gi jiu-jitsu training is harder than training for MMA to be the champ. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 1: That's what that's what Mighty Mouse said. Speaker 2: Yeah, well. Speaker 1: You know, and he's, you know, he's as athletic as fuck because the gi takes away certain elements. Like, even if we look at um, and you know, you might hate this too, but like worm guard, like the invention of worm guard or that whole system from uh, Keenan Cornelius, it he beat Leandro Lo and Lo could not get out of there. He couldn't quite have the same control over he subsequently after that match lost to um, but Keenan is a bit of a genius and he's a super nerd of jiu-jitsu and he just came he came up with this idea of like, how am I gonna tie people up with this fucking gi? And it really people can say they hate it and it slowed jiu-jitsu down, but it it was effective. Speaker 2: Yeah, because it because it fucking worked against you. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: I hate it when cunts do it. Speaker 1: And it's also because you have to you have to you do the reverse de la worm. Speaker 2: Oh, god. I don't even know what that is. Speaker 1: You got to study. That's the hardest thing. Like if you if you come to jiu-jitsu and you're like, I'm not here for a fucking science project. I'm just here to have fun and move around, then maybe the gi is not that vibe for you. Speaker 2: Yeah, especially well, I mean, yeah, especially in its current incarnation. And if you were training at one of those gyms that really takes that highly technical approach, right? Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: We probably we I slotted in well at the time when we came up because it was just way less technical back then, right? Speaker 1: Possibly, yeah. Speaker 2: Um, whereas these days it has evolved a lot. It makes me think of something I heard Keenan say, which was like that winning like being the best for him were uh, you know, or like being in the top five, 10, whatever, uh, was all about being able to have a new a new fucking strategy that no one had seen for every comp. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Or like for every season. And so it's like, you come up with a new thing, it works for a while, but then next year rolls around, you got to have a new thing. And so he's like, well, once you don't have any more new things, you got to stop. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But that that kind of implies it's like an arms race of of technical knowledge. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: Right? And if someone knows what you're bringing, then they're shutting it down. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Whereas sure that still applies in no-gi. Yeah. But you can like where the gi often requires a you often encounter a technical problem, it requires a technical solution. In no-gi, you can just circumvent that and provide a physical solution. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: And that's like, and if, you know, and if you're that way inclined, I you don't love doing the studying shit, you're like, fuck yeah, this is where I'm at. Speaker 1: Snap down guillotine every time. Big Harris. You're spamming Americanas. Shut up, Big Harris. Um, no, it's so so here's the thing because people get upset when um, I I've had this before where I've said, oh, the gi is more technical. And it's not that no-gi isn't technical. There's a bit of an arms race in no-gi too. Like, if you don't know the latest entry to leg lock, you get leg locked. Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I do think leg locks is almost has become like an exception to that in like that just became such a system of control. And and there's so much evolution that's occurred over recent years that you're like, okay, that that almost kind of goes against what I just said, but Speaker 1: No, no, but but that said too, like if before that, it was like passing upper body control. Speaker 2: Well, no. Speaker 1: I I do believe that, you know, the the language of jiu-jitsu has become more technical, but if we think about the gi and we were to compare it, it's like, not that I'm a linguist, but, you know, uh, Mandarin is one of the hardest languages because of the tones, right? So, you could say the same word or character, but if you say, like, if you say it differently, it could mean the difference between like, mom and dragon or like, fuck. Like, you you can you can really create mistakes there. And there is so much more nuance in the gi. It's just like, and maybe you just don't care about that. And I and so that's where I wanted to talk a little bit about like, structure and hierarchy because I feel that for many people that can either be appealing or off-putting. So, I was having a chat with our friend Simone Strongman. Speaker 2: Oh. Speaker 1: Shout out. And um, we were talking about old school and saying how jiu-jitsu used to be very much um, you know, Brazilian in origin. Like the BJJ, that idea, that feeling is that, oh, there was a Brazilian coach or there was this influence that that was the source and how you learned it. Whereas now, Speaker 2: That's why counts to 10 in Portuguese when we're doing the star jumps. Speaker 1: Of course. Or even just the accent, you know, there's these things and he's saying that we were just chatting and saying that that actually feels more old school because because jiu-jitsu has become so much more diverse and you have different uh, influences and schools and philosophies that you go to a school and that's not part of it. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: There's there may be no bowing. There is no and and some people love that. And and then some people are like, oh, I kind of there's something about that which is not even nostalgic, but they they would like some structure. They want to know where they sit in the order and they're happy to um, try and work through that. Whereas for other people, they're like, man, I just want to learn how to like you say, be a savage, move awesome and just fuck people up. Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by the makers of the greatest electrolyte in the game, Sodi. 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So it was really nice finally, you know, I had to offer him a couple of uh, Macca's soft serves to get him over the line. Speaker 2: Bribes. Speaker 1: Yep. And uh, and then and now he's loving it, right? But what I like about it is that they're really big on the the structure. So it's like, you know, class starts now, kids, get on, hurry up, you know, don't make me wait. If you're late, run. Be here. We all bow to each other, do the drills. And the coach is like really really big on teaching them like to listen, to pay attention, you know, just like manage themselves well in that environment. Uh, at the end, very big on the handshakes and the eye contact and all that stuff. And I'm like, this is totally what I'm here for. I don't I don't give a shit about the jiu-jitsu as such, right? They do a little, you know, they do stuff, but I'm like, whatever you'd I'm just glad that they're doing he's doing some some some bodywork with another person. Um, you know, the actual specifics of the technique, couldn't care less. Um, and so that's what I'm there for. And I can definitely identify that that's what I went to jiu-jitsu for originally. Yeah. And we got a little bit of that when I started jiu-jitsu because my coach was a fucking hardcore motherfucker of a Brazilian. Speaker 2: Old school. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there was there was control and discipline, a little bit toxic. Totally went off the rails many times. You know, and it wasn't necessarily in that like strict kind of Japanese way of what we envisage traditional martial arts to be like. Speaker 2: Sure. Speaker 1: But I contrast now to like sometimes at some gyms, you turn up and it's just super relaxed. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: And it's almost like, I don't know if our American listeners are familiar with this, but the run it straight challenge. Right? Speaker 2: No, I think most people are across run it. Yeah. Speaker 1: So if you if you if you're hearing this and you don't you haven't seen the run it straight challenge, you're in for a treat. Just fucking chuck it in Instagram. Speaker 2: If you if you just Google how to get CTE in today. Speaker 1: Instantly run it. The but basically what it is, right? Is we have this awesome game of of football, rugby league and rugby union, two different codes of football and people is this there's collisions and tackles within that, right? Run it straight challenge has just taken that one one part of the football game and gone, you know what? The collision is what the people love. So let's just do that. It's the power slap of football. Speaker 2: It is. Speaker 1: Right? And so it's like you stand here, you stand here, three, two, one, go. One guy's got a ball, the other guy's got a tackle and it's like, you just have to run straight. Speaker 2: Bounce off each other. Speaker 1: You're trying to go through him, he's trying to put you down. And it's it's exhilarating and it's perfect for the TikTok age that we live in. But it's just this isolated part of the thing, right? You miss out on all of the other beauty of football. Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Right? If we if we were to say, this won't happen, but if we were to say that football players all loved run it straight so much that they stopped playing the game and they just went to run it straight and then we lost football. You'd be like, oh shit, we actually lost something really awesome there. Yeah. Like, this is fun, it's like eating junk food, but it's not what I want to I'm not going to sit down for 90 minutes on a Friday and watch my two favorite run. Yeah, right. So, so in a way, I think that it's easy for us once you get into jiu-jitsu and you fall in love with rolling and the sparring bit is fucking sick. It's easy to just go like, I just want to do more of this. Yeah, just give me the open mat. But actually, in the long run, you are I think you're often turning your back on a lot of the things that you really love about it. Yeah. And so I I in that way, I'm like, the structure piece, I think it's I think it's valuable and important. Speaker 2: Just give me that. Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I think it definitely I benefited a lot from getting like I was a very undisciplined child, doing Taekwondo. I got a lot from the stand still, don't interrupt, like, you know, you know, there was there was plenty there that gave me a lot more um, tools personally to just control my behavior, basically. And and yeah, I think there's something to that structure. And for many people, they don't necessarily have it in their day-to-day lives in terms of like, especially if you work at an office where it has a fairly flat structure. Even though you might have a manager, there might be a ton of people who are all about, you know, there's 10 different people who do similar things. And there is no hierarchy there and you actually in some to a certain degree, humans crave um, a degree of like, uh, not being noticed, but um, I'm trying to think of the word. Save me, Joe. Um, Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: Acknowledgment slash you know, I put the time in, I want my stripe, I want my credit. Even though you can say it's Speaker 2: Status. Speaker 1: Yeah, status. Of sorts, but it's kind of it's not just arbitrary. You it's this sense of I earned something. Yeah. Because everything in life is very feels very flippant. Yeah. It's, you know, like it's one of those things that it's with jiu-jitsu, even though there's lots of different arguments about belts, you know the time you put in and so therefore the effort you applied, you can derive satisfaction from that. Whereas if you go to a gym where they're like, oh, we don't really have belts and yeah, everyone just kind of just gets at it and watch out for that guy. He'll rip your leg off. That is maybe a little bit harder for certain people, whereas for for some, they're like perfect. I don't give a fuck about status. Don't really tell me what to do other than how to, you know, let's let's do some constrained space games and let me body slam someone. Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that to my original point, I think that it that there's a connection there whereby like, I remember when I trained at um 10th Planet in LA with the Dark Prince, it's a fucking mad gym. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Um, I can't remember the coach's name, but lovely bloke, ran a great session. Bunch of killers in the gym. Typical 10th Planet joint, right? Bunch of colorful characters. Speaker 1: Mhm. Speaker 2: And uh, I didn't fucking know who was good and who wasn't and then you'd find out when you roll. Speaker 1: Did you see did you see someone in the corner just like, you're like, is he gonna be the old days? Like, no, he's high as fuck. Speaker 2: Oh, there's definitely some blazed individuals. There was this one like gay guy that was just like on the mats talking about like, just making jokes about people fucking him. Just like in the middle, like, yeah, I fucking, you know, and I was just like, oh, this is so hectic. And I'm like, I don't I like, I don't think I want to roll with that guy. I just it didn't seem like Speaker 1: He's just he starts playing like Donkey Guard and you're like, hey man, I didn't I just hey. Speaker 2: But but it was but it was really it was a really cool, it was a fun joint. But but um, if you are kind of extroverted and also if you're a bit of a bit of a motherfucker on the mats, I like you got some shit, then you'll fit in there. Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: Because they were high level, right? Everyone had everyone was good. And so I could go there as a visiting black belt and like have a good time. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But if you were a traveling white belt and you were a little bit introverted and you had, you know, trained at your neighborhood academy in fucking, I don't know, country Australia and then you found yourself in LA at 10th Planet, you would just you would probably just wither away in the environment like because you're like, oh my god, like I don't And that's and that's and so you wouldn't be successful in that. And so it's that same bias of like, people who are biased towards a thing would be like, oh, this is cool, I can work with this. But if that's not your jam, Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Like if you if you it doesn't support your learning. Speaker 1: If you can't handle a lot of beer, you shouldn't be doing shots at a gay bar. Like, and I'm not no, no shade on today. I I I'm big fan of 10th Planet. Shout out our boy Frank Barker. Speaker 2: Big fan of gay bars. Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a good time. They're the best parties. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Boys know how to party. But I so I think the thing is here, when we kind of circle back to, you know, someone coming up, I, you know, maybe you've had this or maybe you haven't, Joe, someone's like, oh, what should I choose or like, we got to kind of get into what appeals and and why. And I think the benefit, it doesn't matter where you go in the world, even though there's obviously a varying degree of skill with um, different belts, you know, like you see see the purple belt with four stripes and it's just withered. You're like, that guy's a black belt. Like, that guy has murdered so many people. Whereas someone's like, oh, I just got my purple belt. You're like, everything's purple. You're like, you're in trouble, buddy. You know, that guy that guy has gotten silver and bronze at every like his coach is keeping him there till he wins the world championship, you know. And so I think even though this does exist in the whole belt hierarchy. When you travel the world, even if you go to a place where you they don't speak the language, you don't speak the same language as the people there, you show up in your gi with your belt, that also it's a form of communication in terms of they can the gym can then put you maybe appropriately. You know, like I I think there is a Speaker 2: Yeah, it allows them to kind of know where you're at and what's appropriate. Speaker 1: And and and for the best part, usually you can say they'll say how long have you trained or blah, blah, blah. And this kind of gives you a a very rough reference. But with no-gi, you know, like, oh, it's just it's just James Tohuna. Just, you know, he's retired. I mean, he did fight in the UFC, he did compete in strongman, he also boxed. Um, you know, like just light roll. Just jump in. He's like, what? Speaker 2: Don't look at him in the eyes. Speaker 1: No, don't. Don't try and pull closed guard. He's fucking No, no, no, but that's what I'm saying. I think that the difficulty is that um, and you know, not all we're generalizing a fair bit here, right? But if you are someone who prefers the freedom and you are quite confident and you're happy to go with the flow, then I feel just going to a straight no-gi gym, even though many no-gi gyms do quite well at their beginners and intermediates and they'll usually kind of try to uh, ballpark you when you're experience. Um, those who crave structure and are less sure, I feel the gi brings more certainty, even though that has its own drawbacks. Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. For sure. And I mean, look, you know, we we say like, do it all. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Do it all. But if you're in that situation where you're like, I got to I got to choose, like, yeah, some considerations there. Speaker 1: And and maybe maybe it's maybe this is an old school point of view. I believe you should train both. Like that's I I I think for just general development because they present different problems. Yeah. And so in that way, it it makes you think about grappling as a whole. You know, like I had a guy I was rolling a guy the other day, he's trying to take spider guard grips on my wrists. I just kept like just I was like, you play a bit of spider guard. He's like, yeah, and like, yeah, I could tell. We're doing no-gi, bro. Like, it's a hard ask. You got to have such good grips to pull that off. You know, um, Speaker 2: So your wrists are the size of like my upper calf. Speaker 1: Well, no, I think it's more like I'm like, you're not you're not the Raspberry Ape, bro. You ain't got the grips for this. So that that's it's one of those things that by doing both, it does get you thinking differently. You're like, I can't get away with that and I can get away with that here and it it it it gives you perspective. But um, generally, if you if you're that free spirit and you want to just just want to bang, bro, I think no-gi is the choice. But if you are someone who who wants to take your time a bit and get a bit more control and slow it down a bit, the gi affords you that. And so the beauty of it is, you don't have to choose, but you have a choice. Speaker 2: Yeah, and and always find your reflection after training because you never look better. Speaker 1: Get get that good downlight. You just need good downlight, back a little bit, shadow, mint.