Modern Men Are Missing This

Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, you may or may not know, Joe is an outdoorsman. Joseph Worthington likes to get busy in the outdoors. When I say busy, I mean camouflage, I mean rifles, I mean hunting, I mean building huts, survivalist type shit. Yeah. You may not know it, he's touched on it lightly before, but we are going to find out the intricate details of Joe's preparation for the coming apocalypse. Speaker 2: Wow. Let me take you there. I um, I'm not an outdoorsman by any stretch. I um, I think I think part of it was is that I grew up with no, we didn't camp or anything when I was a kid. So I I think as I got older, I wanted to do a bit of that, you know? And so anyway, the hunting thing sort of come around. Speaker 1: You've been on that for a little while though. Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it takes a little while. You know, like it takes a while to get your gun license and go through all that and then kind of learn how to use the thing and then and then, you know, get with some friends that can take you out and it's kind of like a multi-year process. I feel to get to the point like as a city slicker. Speaker 1: Gun license. Speaker 2: In Australia. In Australia, in Australia, and particularly if you don't like, you don't live in the country and your mates don't go hunting every other evening. You know, like if you're if you're living there, it's like it's you've been doing it since you're a kid, but if you're for me, it's like no one in my family ever owned firearms, especially. Yeah, you know, or or like or hunted. So I've had to like make the connections. Speaker 1: In Australia. Speaker 2: But uh I went um I had a few days out in the state forest, took Jonah and me. I don't know if you know Jonah Brown belt from Vantage. Yeah, we went together. Speaker 1: Actually, that's it. Speaker 2: I went with Alan, right? Speaker 1: I went with Alan a few weeks ago. Sorry, right. Speaker 2: Yeah, we went out to a spot. Speaker 1: Shout out Alan Chan. Fucking legend. Speaker 2: He's been a he's been a really good uh good mentor to me, you know, in this process. But yeah, Jonah and I went, we spent three days in the state forest like, you know, and um fuck, man. We didn't see a lot. We saw we saw like we it's so because what you get in these state forests is you get a lot of hunters go there, right? So there's a lot of pressure on the animals that live there. So the animals that live there are extremely reclusive. They've learned over multiple generations, don't fucking be here out in the open, right? Whereas you go to a private property, you know, someone that owns a fucking a million acres of bushland, and they're like, yeah, we uh we allow a few hunters every few months to come out. The animals are just cruising all around. So it's like it's like a game park, you know? Now, just to clarify for folks, my whole impetus to get into it was to um harvest meat from those animals to eat, you know? Yes. To eat. And of course, I'm not going to make the argument that it's cheaper because it's really expensive to get into hunting. Speaker 1: Wow. Right. Speaker 2: So much effort. Yeah. Yeah, it takes that. We spent three days and we got nothing. You know, but but it's really enjoyable as well. And and you know, the like the deer, right, that we're hunting are like a they're a pest. They're they're they're problematic for this environment. They're not meant to be here. Um and so, you know, so I I kind of see it as a net positive. Um but we did see one on the we we saw one on the first night. Okay. As we were leaving this spot, like nothing going on, we're leaving and we're just shining a torch. And then I was like, fuck, there's one right there. We weren't able to to to get organized in time. It disappeared into the bush. But um on the third day, we're at a spot and we're like, fuck, feels pretty good down here, you know? We're like trying to keep super quiet. And then this this doe, this big fucking impressive like strong doe female just popped her head up and she was an albino. She's all white. Yeah, and it was like, Jonah, this one there. Shit. And then it it kind of looked uh I think it I think it caught wind of us cuz it was or maybe it maybe it saw us. It's it was fucking cluey. It it kind of sussed. Yeah, realized and then just disappeared. You know, and that was it. But so it was it was mad, but we didn't get anything. Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Speaker 2: Wow. Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of like fishing in that same way, right? You've got to be out there amongst it. But that process in and of itself is enjoyable. And you'd love to be able to catch the fish or you know, but that's not most of the time, right? Like you you you'd mentioned before about stalking and can you talk us through that a little bit? Because you've it doesn't have to be this most recent trip. You've you've kind of been playing around with this for a little while, right? Speaker 2: Every time. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, so when when I went with Al, so there was there's four of us and we he's got like this this private property that we go to. I've it was my second time there, but he goes there regularly. Um and it's basically someone owns the property, they use it for breeding cattle. Um and so no one lives there. And there is there is like a neighboring, like there's a bunch of properties around, but there's a neighboring like big section of bushland. And so there's a herd of deer that make their way through that bushland to a dam that's at at the at the sort of low end of this property. And so he's got this position sort of at the top of this hill where you can see you can kind of get a good vantage down on the dam and the sort of, you know, the hillside around there. Um and so we met out there in the evening and it's pretty incredible. You look down, there's nothing going on, you you're looking through your binos, you're like, I can't see much. And you keep looking and then all of a sudden you're like, wait, there's something. And then all of a sudden you start to see and then there's like I think we counted like eight deer in this herd, right? Cruise around. Eating some food, drinking, whatnot. It was a it was too far away to take a shot. So we Alan and I stalked in closer. So then it's like, all right, get into a position where you can where you can make a shot. And so, you know, we stalked in and so we're kind of going down this hillside trying to get to this fence line that will give us a little bit of cover from them visually. Um and where you could hopefully set up to take a good shot. Cuz this like you can't you can't just like hold the rifle and shoot like you want to be like leaning on something, have it rested on a branch or a fence, whatever. Or bipods or some shit. Um the shooters out there are laughing cuz I'm talking like an amateur. But um Speaker 1: Hey, you you are. Speaker 2: I mean, I told that's fine. But so we get we get to a point and then and Al's and then Al's basically like, you go. Like he's like, yeah, this is this is a good but like, you go cuz you just you don't want to spook them, right? So I'm get I'm I'm I'm like my knees are a little bit sore. I'm in this low gate position trying to like duck crawl the show. I'm like, oh, fucking knees swelling. You're like, fuck, jiu-jitsu is not good for this. You're like, you're trying to stay low and shit. You know, it's all this all these Joe Rogan fans who are they're like, Joe told me to start jiu-jitsu and kettlebells and deer hunting. Yeah. And fuck him. Yeah. I can't afford the peptides yet. Yeah. But you but it was kind of, you know, it was it was it felt high pressure to me cuz Alan's behind and then the other two other boys are watching. They're watching, you know, and they're like hunters. And so you're like, don't fucking blow it. They let they gave you the honor of, you know, doing the thing. And so I I get down to this fence line and I kind of peep over and the herd are just uh uh feeding. But then one of them sort of looks up in in my direction and then just puts its head back down and keeps feeding. And that's a good sign, right? Like if they're feeding, they're relaxed. They're relaxed. Yeah. And so and the wind the wind was good. So I was like, okay, the wind's not going to catch me out. Um and then I I think I start to position my rifle and then it picks its head up again and I made I remember seeing it look up and I made a decision to just keep setting up. You know, I can't remember what it but it maybe it was like loading a round or something. Yeah. And then they just went and filed out. Single like it's like all of a sudden, they're just leaving. And they leave, it's it's really incredible. They leave almost it seems to be like they leave in the exact way you don't want them to go. Like they know exactly where you are and they go and they use the trees that are between you and them for cover. Yeah. And they and then they get to like this little road crossing and then they're like, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, and they're gone. And so I fucking blew it. Speaker 1: You're watching. Don't fuck it up. Speaker 2: Dang. But it was super exciting, you know. But yeah, it was just one it was cool. It was cool to um it was cool to fuck it up and uh you know, whatever, that's part of the thing. And so I was like, I got hasty. I wanted I'm like, no, I think it's good. I think I can I can position. I was like, no, I should have just sat still and done nothing for five minutes and then gone again, you know? But it's that patience, right? You know, you're so close to the thing. And then I mean, yeah, and then you got that whole thing of like Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. Interesting. Speaker 2: You didn't think back to your Speaker 1: You your your days in the in the uh in in the uh the the back streets of uh in the wilds of Gladesville. Speaker 2: In the yard, yeah, with the slingshot. Speaker 1: How patience. There's nothing stressful there cuz you're just shooting some kid in the back of the head with a rock, you know what I mean? Just taking it. Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't see you. Speaker 1: Class bottles not going to. Um today's show is brought to you by our good friends at Raised Nutrition. Raised the bar. They've got all the flavors. They've got tropical acai. If that doesn't speak BJJ, I don't know what does. They've got salted caramel, which is delicious. 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They say that Speaker 2: Oh, someone. Yeah, I'm not up for that either, bro. Speaker 1: No, no, no. But I'm no, people in the military. I'm I'm this is where I'm going with the the sniping thing. Like stalking. This is all terminology that's also used in in the military to a sniper training. And they say generally snipers were hunters as kids. Like they were raised to stalk. They were raised to set up. They were raised to be very patient. Like it's so integral to the success of the kill. Yeah. Right? This is all very kind of um cogent with from hunting to military training. Yeah. Right? And so for me, you know, like I I remember the first time I fucking went fishing, I had a little hand reel and I did catch a fish and the hook went through its mouth and out through its eye. And I was like, oh, God. Oh, wow. And then I was trying to like unhook it and throw it back and pulled its eye out. And I was like, oh, God. I'm too soft for this shit. I can't even catch a little fish, you know? I'm and look, I I've been roo hunting and, you know, like stuff like that. But Speaker 2: Roo shooting. Speaker 1: Roo shooting, I should say. They're just fucking just blasting bodies. But I think the thing about it is um there's so much skill involved. And it just you can't it's not something that can be faked because there's so much effort. Yeah. To lead up to one shot, one opportunity and Yeah. Yeah, that's that's tough. Speaker 2: It's true. And I mean, it's kind of ironic, right, in that way because there's like, you know, like we have like high-powered rifles, high-powered scopes, binoculars, the whole shit, you know? You got all this technology on your side and still I fucked it up. Still get. You know? And then you and you, you know, I've been reading about like some of the more old-school hunters and I mean, you know, I mean, fucking the Aboriginals for many hundreds of thousands of years were hunting with fucking spears and you know, and many other indigenous peoples. And you just like, Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Wow. Jesus Christ, that is high skill. Speaker 1: So skillful. Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like to hit something that is probably smaller than a deer, you know, like hitting hitting roos or wallabies or Speaker 1: From some distance say. Speaker 2: Yeah, with a or running or Yeah, like it's it's it's immense to think about the kind like the depth to which we were able to develop to develop a skill set in a you know, um in a more ancestral world. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: We I don't think we I don't think we even get close to it these days. Speaker 1: No, I think wayfaring, which is pretty much gone, but still wayfaring is um Polynesian cultures could Oh, navigating the ocean. stars, like hand in the water. A bit warmer, sweeter. No shit, like it it I think to a very small degree, there is some still some uh parts of a Polynesian culture. I'm not sure whether it be in Hawaii or Samoa where they actually still have that wayfaring skill that is taught. Yeah, right. But it's pretty much almost completely gone. But that's how people got around. It's crazy to think that you could remember, oh, stars are there, you know, at night. Yeah. You know, the wind, you know, I I can't even I can't even fucking swim. You know, I'm not surviving shit. That's why I don't go to the water. But um no, I think it's just it's it's immense to think of human capacity to learn and survive and yet we're just kind of Uber eats it, you know? Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Wow. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, so much is handed to us. And I think that is the that's the appeal, at least for me, is like doing something that is like even though it does have you got all this technological side of it, it's like somehow feels like a much more human and wholesome thing to do. You know, to be and even when you're like butchering the animal and then you you know, you're bringing it home and then you're cooking it and like that that is all extremely satisfying on a level that is like somewhere in our DNA. Speaker 1: Real. Speaker 2: Real experience. Yeah, you know, like but real experience but but also like providing like harvesting food from nature and providing that for the people you love. Yeah. You know, there's something there's something really satisfying about it. Um who said this? You know, Jonathan Haidt, that guy that he's like he's the American researcher who's very um had the did all the studies around social media and the current generation of teenagers. Speaker 1: Real experience. Speaker 2: No, I don't know. Speaker 1: Please enlighten me. Speaker 2: Did a lot of the really good stuff on just how we've kind of ruined, you know, this current generation with social media and here's some things we could do to start to undo some of the damage. Um but he he he said he play he played paintball for the first time and he realized what I think he said he realized he had a room in his heart to which the door had been locked for this activity. And it was the whole hunting, being hunted, shooting thing. Yeah. You know, which is a very human thing, right? Like whether you're throwing rocks, you're throwing spears or or it is with firearms. I mean, we've been fucking in battle with firearms for a few hundred years. But take it way back, yeah, thousands of years. Yeah, like like but that that whole stalking thing and like fear and, you know, whatever is like um it's there in our soul. You know, and it's not part of our day-to-day. It does have a little crossover in jiu-jitsu, you know, something spoken about, but but yeah, I thought that fascinating, right? Cuz he's just a totally he's just like an academic dude, probably a mad geek. And then he went and played paintball. He's like, holy shit, there's a part of me that like really wants to do more of this. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah. Speaker 2: So I I don't know. It's funny, right? Like you you talk to people who have been in the military and you're like, wow, they've lived they're like and I mean, particularly the ones that have served. You're like, for someone as someone who's never done that, you're like, whoa, this person has a whole experience of life that I'm completely oblivious to. Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Speaker 2: You know, like a real fucking experience. Speaker 1: And there's people I I find, you know, I've got a few friends who've who've served overseas, done a few a few tours. And there's obviously trauma there. There's like levels of PTSD because of what they've experienced or seen. But there's also a lot of no bullshit. Cuz it's you've got to really trust the people you're with. Yeah. You know? Your life's in their hands, their life's in your hands and not only do you see some shit, but you do some shit and it's really full on. Like it's really it it's it's you're not playing video games. It's not Call of Duty. It's fucking um yeah, I think most people I know who've done military service are they've got a lot of character. You know, and you can see that they've seen some shit and they they they hold it together, you know what I mean? It's very hard to comprehend if you've never been in those positions. Yeah. But um but mate, I wanted to switch gears a second. Um just just to kind of I actually did want to ask, do you feel there's something that the hunting thing has given you that you didn't get anywhere else? Or is there something that you've not that it's unlocked a door in your heart, but I mean, is there something more recently that it's taught you? Would it be the patience thing or would you what what is it? I mean, about that process or that experience. Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not yet, cuz I think I'm still too amateur at it. Like of course there's the patience thing, but I'd be embellishing if I said it carries over into other areas of my life and you know, just when I'm in there about to make that business deal, JT, and I think back to when I'm about to pull the trigger on that motherfucking buck, you know, and I just like fucking Speaker 1: When I got the super soda. Speaker 2: And exhale. You know, it's Speaker 1: Keep the body still. Lower the heart rate. Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Remember the Coriolis effect. Yeah, you know, I don't I don't think yet, right? But but there's there's definitely something about like, I don't know. There's something about just being more outdoors and making time for that. Like there's almost like a call to like, oh, I want to get back out there, you know, kind of thing. I don't know. Maybe it's probably doing something to me over a over a slow gradual period of time. Speaker 1: Do I see more manly or some shit? Speaker 2: Mm. Speaker 1: No. No, man, you you've always been a you've always been a man's man, Joe. I've never never thought that less of you except when you're fucking harp on at me about emails. But apart from that, um no, I the thing I wanted to go to, which I was interested in, which I had no idea about was the uh the building. Speaker 2: Fuck, bro. So so. Speaker 1: Tell let the people know, Joe. Speaker 2: All right, so I'm I'm a I'm a woodworker. I'm an amateur woodworker. This we know. Um and I've always been looking for opportunities to like get better and do more. And um a course popped up on my Instagram that was like showing showing these cats like out outside in the sun, moving huge bits of lumber, putting these huge joints together and building a fucking timber cabin. Right. You know, they're chiseling away material, they're hewing like hewing a log with an axe. Speaker 1: I love that. Speaker 2: I regularly send Joe Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: TikToks or Instagrams, which is just like either someone creating the most intricate wooden joint that just Yeah, like that, which is ridiculous. Or here's a log. Dude chopping down a tree. guy builds a thing. Now now mud. Now brush. Now you're like, fucking hell, this guy's building a house. How long did this take? Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And you see and cuz you see that, I mean, you see that cabin one and you're like, I want to do that. I want to do it. Speaker 1: It's so cool. Yeah. Shit's cool. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fucking cool. And I I I mean, I've always wanted to build like some kind of cabin, like not a house, but I've always I've always thought like I'm going to build some kind of basic dwelling, right? That's always been a goal of mine. And so this thing popped up and it's like traditional timber framing fundamentals workshop. Three days. Book it here. And I'm like, cunts, I'm all in. Speaker 1: Amazing. Speaker 2: I'm in. So it was on the South Coast. Speaker 1: Son of a bitch. Speaker 2: Like five hours from here in Bermagui. Oh, yeah. Which is a stunning part of the country. And um it was with this group who are basically a traditional timber framing business called Heartwood. And they that's what they do. They build cabins from fucking bits of wood using traditional methods. And these are traditional methods that have been part like refined over centuries. Um I don't know how far back it goes, but it's like Northern European. I mean, you see it with Japanese, like they'll use a lot of that they'll do a lot of that same cabin or like not cabin, that's the wrong way to say it, like framework. So basically what they build is a frame of a house that you could then put walls on. So in a modern day, you could put like fucking, you know, timber walls or fucking weatherboard or whatever you like. But in the old days, you know, you might have used, I don't know, some fucking thatching or, you know, mud brick walls or whatever. Um but the beauty of it is is that the structure should stand for centuries. Wow. And that you can disassemble it at any point and move it and just knock it back together. Cuz the joints are all built with that in mind. Speaker 1: Oh, so this is no nails. Speaker 2: No no nails. Speaker 1: Wow. Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, that's the thing, right? It's all hand-cut joinery. No metal involved. Speaker 1: Oh my God. Speaker 2: And so and so what you have to do, right? Because if you think about it, you're building a structure. This was a huge learning for me. When we do woodwork conventionally with dressed timber, you're always referencing square off the outside of the timber, right? So if I've got like lengths of wood and I need to cut a straight line, I use my my build, you know, whatever my set square or something and I put it on and that references the side of the board, gives me a 90-degree line, I fucking draw it, grab my saw, cut it, right? Speaker 1: Tidy. Yeah. Speaker 2: But when you're working with this not perfect dimensioned timber that is often green and fucking Speaker 1: I'm fucking lucky if I can foot fucking IKEA together. Speaker 2: Right? Like I I have instructions and tools. I'm in a fucking living room with the heat on. I'm not like this fucking bookshelf. How the hell are you going to be out in the wild with green timber and a fucking plum line like chalk. Speaker 1: It's the worst. Speaker 2: But that's the that's the beauty of it, right? Like I was seeing I was seeing and I was the I was the biggest amateur at the thing. A lot of the guys there were like builders, like home builders, fucking, you know, there was there was a couple guys that were just like Speaker 1: Tradies. Speaker 2: Timber framers. Yeah, yeah. One guy was like a timber framer, but he's like, mate, I just all I use is pine from Bunnings and a fucking circular saw and a drill. He's like, all this shit is brand new to me. So he it was blowing his mind from a different point of view. But you you realize you're like, like the the the techniques were really like you understand it, but it was really fucking tricky. But like if I was practicing this all the time, I'd get a lot better at it. Um but yeah, it's mad. Speaker 1: Dude. It's fucking sick. Speaker 2: Mate, I think the oldest I think it's one of the oldest buildings in the world is in somewhere it's either in Norway or somewhere in Scandinavia, which is a no nail uh wooden construction, which had been grown over by grass. Oh, wow. And someone's like, that that that that pile out the back like it was just like a little mound. And then they pulled the grass away and there was a door and it's still like Holy shit. Inside is like really good. Preserved. Yeah, and I think it's over 700 years old, 750. It's so cool. It's look yeah, it's one of the oldest man-made constructions that's just standing and it has no nails. And I always get blown away. I watch like I I I've tried to be more careful about what I watch on social media because obviously as soon as the algorithm sees you look at a like even if you don't like it, if you pause on a video longer than three seconds, it's like gotcha. Gotcha your ass. And then you're just getting served up video. And so there was a while there when um when you know, when you were talking about chisels and stuff like that, I started like going on this mad Japanese carpentry bender and all the non like the real tricky things where they like slotted in and then they put in a little bit of timber and it just brings it together, yeah. Oh, man, it's the skill. I think this is the thing I admire passion and skill. And I think you can't have high-level skill without being very passionate about that thing. Yeah. You know, you've got to be in in something for 10 years, 20 years, a lifetime to be able to do it. And um Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like we're saying with the hunting piece, right? It's like you kind of literally have to give your life to these crafts to to achieve mastery. Yes. And I mean, you know, most of us simply are not willing to make that sacrifice, you know, but but you can get a little taste of it. And I'm like, oh, shit, I'm getting a little taste of this, you know? And I'm and I'll Speaker 1: Gotcha. Speaker 2: Is it the heroin that you're now getting addicted to, Joe? Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's but it's sorry, guys. Joe no longer does the podcast. He has built his uh hide uh with no nails and he's up there now hunting. Speaker 2: But I mean, that's the thing, right? Like I I I will take little bits from it and incorporate it into my kind of more hackish approach that I will continue to refine. Um but but you know, cuz you cuz you you meet that like you meet that when you meet that level of mastery, which was the three guys facilitating the course, you're like, I can't be these guys unless I'm prepared to give what these guys have given. And that's a lifetime. I mean, they're actually young blokes and they're trying to grow the thing here, you know. Yeah, awesome. Um bro, some of the chisels we were using, they're called slicks. Okay. They're like this long. Wow. And they've got a like a like a big long handle and then a little perpendicular handle off that. Okay. And basically you and then a you know, like a big big chisel face like maybe an inch and a half or two inches. Right. And you you just you huge you kind of connect it into your whole body and then you just like pair you don't hit it with a hammer. It's like just for pairing. So you're just taking off shavings, but you can brace it against your whole body and just take off. Speaker 1: What size? Speaker 2: Yeah, and just take off like these you almost taking off like it's probably like a millimeter or two. A quarter of a no, it's like a quarter of a millimeter. Like how sharp must they be? Oh, they're sharp as fuck, son. Like the guys are like, guys, like please just don't fucking stab yourself. Like no, yeah. Speaker 1: Holy shit. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It was amazing. No one did. But but yeah, like all that, bro. The tools were epic. Speaker 1: Wow. There it is. It fucking makes you it makes you uh it makes you wonder what you're doing with your life. You're like, man, I could I could be mastering something. Well, you know, fuck, sometimes you got to go to work, right? Sometimes you got to fucking do those emails, folks. Yeah. You got to sit in traffic or some shit. No, I I think it's great and um, you know, most of the time we keep it on the health and fitness thing, but we do do other stuff and for sure this is a a great passion of Joe's and I do respect that about him that he is about this thing because I um, yeah, I'm a I'm I'm vicariously living it through you. I'm just like in my head, I'm a fucking master craftsman. We're out there, son. Well, thanks thanks for letting me indulge. Mate. It's a beautiful thing. And I mean, for any of you folks out there, if you're if you're deep in the um the hunting world or you you're getting into the woodwork, right? Sound off in the comments. Yeah, and fucking send me some tips, fam. Shit. Or need a little help I can get. Send him some chisels. Something like that.