441 - The Science of Fighting and Training MMA, with Ian Harris

Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm Stephan Kesting and this is the Strenuous Life Podcast. Mr. Ian Harris, you run Fight Science and that implies that you believe that science has a role in training, in fight training, in jiu-jitsu training, in MMA training. So, give me an example of how you're trying to do things scientifically and maybe without crapping on individual people, tell me what people tend to do wrong. Speaker 2: You know, my my main thing is MMA, so, um, you know, I have a background in all in wrestling and yeah, black belt in jiu-jitsu and all that, Muay Thai kickboxing and boxing and all that. My personal philosophy is I I feel like when I started this, there was like two camps of MMA guys. There was either the guys who just do MMA, right? Like the Lion's Dens, the Shark Tanks, those guys were they're MMA. They don't they don't teach jiu-jitsu, they don't teach wrestling, they don't teach boxing, it's MMA. And then there were the the schools that were like, I gotta I do jiu-jitsu here and I do Muay Thai here. And then once a week I get together and I fight somebody and try to learn how to put it together. And I and when I started, I'm like, why did all these pieces together? You know, eventually I boxed and I fought Muay Thai and I did all these things. And I also thought, MMA is its own its own thing, like it's its own art. Wall work and ground and pound and all of these things that are that, you know, it's not just jiu-jitsu and kickboxing, it's the transitions, you know. So, I started teaching MMA 23 years ago and my my goal was always, I want people to be black belts in jiu-jitsu, I want them to be world-class boxers, world-class Muay Thai, know how to wrestle at least on a good high school level, and then how do I teach MMA to transition those things, right? Because, you know, being on the ground, all of a sudden if you're just doing jiu-jitsu, it's jiu-jitsu. It's not it's not MMA jiu-jitsu, which is different. You can't posture the same, you can't, you know, you can't put your head in the same spot, you can't you get hit with elbows, you know. Speaker 1: Well, I have a strong jiu-jitsu audience, so can you give me some very specific examples of how MMA BJJ is different from regular jiu-jitsu? Speaker 2: Well, I I think, well, the first part obviously is getting punched in the face, right? So, whether you're on the top or on the back. Like if I'm on my back, I'm a guard player, um, which I would not teach anybody in MMA to to to work like I do. I'm just going to I'm good on my back, so I I've learned to adapt there. But I mean, from the back, there's elbows and there's, you know, and there's there's, um, you know, uh, elbows to the even if you're not going to the head, you can go to the clavicle, you can go to the, you know, if you're on top, you can elbow to the thighs and to the wrists and to the all the muscles and all the places that just kind of wear them down. And I feel like good examples like guard passing. And I know in jiu-jitsu things have evolved from when I started jiu-jitsu, but it used to always it was just closed guard, sit in the, you know, posture up, and you can't just posture up because if the bottom person wants up and you posture, all they have to do is put their feet on your hips and stand up. And in jiu-jitsu, we're not always used to, and again, maybe now it's changed a bit, but we weren't always used to just standing up. It was like, you know, your goal was to be on the ground. So if you're on the ground and I'm playing guard and you posture and I I don't just kick you off and stand back up and start wrestling. And, um, so I feel like things like that, I have I have to put my head down more, I have to lock my hands to hold your hips in place, which allows me to the, you know, it it changes the game. Like if I'm on top and I'm and I'm not posturing and I'm holding on to your hips, now I'm setting up other things from the guy on the bottom, the omoplatas and and, you know, like I said, elbows to the back of the to the to the shoulders and those sort of things. So, you just have to transition them better, right? I have to know when to posture, I have to know when to lock down and control, I have to know when to, um, you know, controlling the hips like wrestling, but I have to be able to move to get to a next position. And there's a lot of standing up and pressuring in MMA, which people don't always do in jiu-jitsu. And nowadays a lot of a lot of this like, you know, when people start doing 50/50 guard and leg locks, I don't want to do that in MMA because unless I'm really good at it, I'm just going to they're just going to sit up on me and punch me in the face. You know? And then wrestling, same thing. Right? I can't just shoot a double leg or a single leg. I've got to punch my way in. Speaker 1: I think there was an era, an MMA era where training each art, each modality individually made a bit of sense where you would go to your jiu-jitsu classes and do your jiu-jitsu, you might do a wrestling class, and you might do a boxing or kickboxing class. And the reason for that, I think, at the time was that your level training would be much higher. If you went and did a jiu-jitsu class, you'd be training against really good jiu-jitsu people, and then you'd go over to your kickboxing class and you'd be training against really good kickboxing people. And there wasn't a whole lot of really good MMA training partners or high-level MMA instruction. And I think that's changed now. So, before, to get high-level training partners was comparatively more of an advantage than training sport specific. But now, if you can have high-level training partners and train sport specific, then I think it begins to make a lot more sense. Speaker 2: No, absolutely. And the thing is that, you know, I remember those days where they go, oh, I'm going over here to get my wrestling and going over here to get my jiu-jitsu. But you may have a really high-level jiu-jitsu guy. Like I've had that where where they're where I they would say, you know, I'd say, I don't want you going into this place or when you go there, you keep coming back with these bad habits. And they go, that guy wrestled D1. You're going to tell him how to how to wrestle? And I'd say, no, that guy would wreck the wreck me in wrestling. But in wrestling, you don't put your head here, you put your head here. And in MMA, you don't ever want to put your head there. So his wrestling is absolutely correct, but his wrestling for MMA is incorrect. So, even though you're getting the highest level wrestling or jiu-jitsu or kickboxing, you know, whatever it is, it might not translate well to MMA. And at the time, and I still think there's a lot of this, but there was weren't a lot of there weren't a lot of people who who trained everything. Like there was a lot of, you know, that guy's my coach. He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu. Does he strike? Never strike done a kickboxing in his life. He doesn't wrestle, whatever. Or that guy's my MMA coach. He's a world-class wrestler. He knows nothing else. Um, you know, and then it was like, he might be a good coach, but it's always going to be coaching to wrestling or coaching to Muay Thai or coaching to whatever thing is. And I feel like you have to understand MMA to and and all of the elements. And that's that's hard. A lot of people haven't done that, you know, and, um, I feel I feel like also you have, you know, like I said, that other group, you know, the Lion's Den. I remember that whole group of those kind of people back in the day where they just did MMA. Right? They would punch everything was with MMA gloves and it was punch and kick and takedown and and all that sort of stuff. And and those guys got really good, really fast, but I felt like there was a peak. Because their jiu-jitsu was never fine-tuned jiu-jitsu. Their wrestling was never really high-level wrestling. It was always just MMA level stuff. And and that's good, but but then if you can get that good and then also be a world-class black belt, also be a world-class boxer, then you're then you're going to have something that you can specialize and beat guys at, you know? Speaker 1: So then how do you put it together in a meaningful training block? How do you structure a fighter's week? You've got a fighter, it's he's might have a fight coming up in three months. So he's not in the in the final training camp phase of it. How do you structure his training? Speaker 2: Well, I mean, for me, it obviously each each fighter is slightly different, but, um, I'm a big fan of, you know, this is the hard part, especially living in Los Angeles, is that it's so expensive to live here and people have to have two jobs and then they've got to train full-time and it's really difficult. But I I personally like at our gym, we have we have team training. And team training is is always the transition stuff. It's always, you know, the wall work and the ground and pound and these sort of things. And we have one day a week where we spar. We always spar MMA. We don't do the the old school big gloves, kickboxing to takedowns because I don't think I don't think you it's I just I think you need to get used to little gloves. I think you need to learn to control yourself. So, we have one day of sparring that's 60, 80, 70%, you know. And then I think on those days what I'm doing is I I'm very big into game planning, but I'm not big into telling the fighter what the game plan is. And that's evolved for me, talk about science. It first started out where I was like, game planning is everything. You got to be smarter than them and this and that. And then I found guys waiting for the game plan to happen or expecting the game plan to happen and then losing because they're like, we worked the guy throws a right hand in every fight and I I drilled and drilled and drilled the right hand and the guy didn't throw the right hand. Or all of a sudden the guy comes out southpaw and and, you know, and he wrestled. And like, I never expected this guy to wrestle. Like that's happened. And so now what I do is I study the tape. We talk about it briefly. Here's a couple things that we need to be aware of. And then what I do is I just make the drills and the training partners and that sort of stuff how I think this guy's going to react without telling the fighter, watch out for the right hand, watch out for the takedown. We just do a lot of get up drills, we do a lot of, you know, sprawl, whatever the drills are for that opponent. And then I tell the other guys, this is what I want you to do this round. I want you to attack with this, okay? I want you if this guy throws a lot of spin kicks, I'll say, hey, throw a lot of spin kicks. And I tell my the fighter, watch out for the spin kick because they end up waiting and losing because they're they're not they're not being active. So, I I feel for me it's like that's our team training. And then at nighttime, we do the regular classes with the regular people. Jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, boxing, wrestling, all that sort of stuff that's at a mid to any, you know, anybody can come to those. And I force my fighters to go to those and help teach and also learn the basics and stay with the basics of today we're just doing jiu-jitsu. Today we're just doing boxing. Um, because too many guys they get to the fight team and they don't want to do anything but fight team training. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, again, having a jiu-jitsu centric audience, how much jiu-jitsu with the gi versus no-gi are they doing? Speaker 2: So, at my gym, we have gi only two days a week. It used to be three. I try to force my guys to do gi. And and people always say, like the biggest thing every one of these young kids comes in and goes, yeah, but there's no gi in an MMA fight. I go, sure, and there's no rash guard and there's no shin shin guards and there's no boxing gloves. But you do kickboxing classes and with boxing gloves and shin guards. You do, you know, you go to your no-gi class with your rash guard and your spats on. You're not wearing those either. I go, these are all training things. And the way I say to him, I go, look, name a world-class grappler, like jiu-jitsu guy that's in MMA, you know, from the from the Charles Oliveiras to the Damian Maias or whomever. Name one of them that isn't a gi black belt. That doesn't they they all have done, even the high-level, you know, the the the regular jiu-jitsu guys. Yes, they might do a lot of ADCC, no-gi, but all of them also do gi. And the thing I try to explain to these guys that don't want to do gi is my perspective, by the way, is that I believe that gi jiu-jitsu teaches you it it focuses not focuses, but it allows you to focus your defense, whereas no-gi allows you to focus your offense. And the reason I think that is that using something like a basic armbar or armbar defense. If I'm in a if you're in your guard and I'm in your I'm in your guard and you throw up an armbar and I've got the gi on. For me to get out of that, I have to stack properly, I have to protect my arm, I have you've got a hold of my collar maybe, you've got a hold of my sleeve, and I got to get my arm out of there with the right technique. If I'm slippery and I'm sweaty and I just rip my arm out, I might not be using the proper technique, right? So for me, defense, if you can hold on to my pants and hold on to my belt, hold on to my collar, and you can pass my guard and you can put armbars on me, my defense has to be stellar to to to escape those things. And conversely, if I can get that guard armbar while we're slippery and you're not wearing any shirt, then that means I've got really good hips, I was probably quick, I've got good control, my setup was done was was done properly, and you can't escape with fully slippery arms, then I'm doing good offense. So I tell the guys, I'm like, don't think of it as what you're going to wear in the fight. Think of it about of as as the tools you are learning to better your game. And when you're doing gi, put yourself in bad positions. Escape, let them take your back, let them go mount. Work your escapes, work your work your defensive skills. And vice versa, when you're on your no-gi, attack, attack, attack. Speaker 1: Okay. That's really interesting. Gi for defense, no-gi for offense. Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it works. Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, uh, it's not what most people are doing, but that's a really interesting model. Now, there seems to be a movement in modern, uh, jiu-jitsu to try and separate conditioning from the training. And the idea is that if you push yourself really, really hard in training, if you and I are trying to get all our condition just by sparring, let's just say jiu-jitsu, so we're not dealing with, you know, brain damage, then the odds of one of us getting injured are pretty high because we're really going to be pushing ourselves and we're really going to be pushing ourselves when exhausted in order to improve our conditioning. So, the idea of almost completely separating the conditioning from the sparring. So, you'll spend time on the air dyne, you'll spend time doing hill sprints, you'll spend time basically punishing yourself aerobically and anaerobically, and then the training becomes much more tactical. It's it's a little bit analogous, I think, to how many strikers are now trying to separate going hard from getting hit in the head a lot. Like how do we separate the most likely mechanism of injury from the actual training, but still be able to get that training stimulus. How do you navigate those those areas? Speaker 2: Well, I I think that there's a time for all of it, to be honest with you. I think I think there are time one of my biggest things that I did, you know, we talk about science a little bit. One of the biggest things I did that I swear by and the fighters that have been with me for a long time swear by it. And I've had guys where I've argued for years. Do what I'm telling you to do. And they go, no, no, I like to do it this way. And when I finally get them to do it, they go, I should have been doing this the whole time. And that is when it comes to conditioning for MMA specifically, what I do is I have a treadmill routine where it's it's a combination of sprinting and jogging and body weight because in a fight, and this goes for wrestling or or anything or or jiu-jitsu or anything, but in a but definitely in an MMA fight, you're going from heart rate at 170 because you're scared, the bell rang and thousands of people watching you, or you're just going sprint speed. Sometimes you're in jog speed. Sometimes you're using your your explosive muscles. Sometimes it's sometimes it's it's isometric, right? Um, so sometimes you you need to to be able to go for a long periods of time. And aside from practical application, right? Like aside from just doing it, right? Like people will say, oh, the best conditioning for wrestling is to wrestle. Sure, except for you are often like you said, injuring yourself or whatever the deal is. So, I have come up with these like treadmill programs that mix the body weight and isometric weight while your heart rate is up and then down and and it's about manipulating the heart rate for for the amount of time that rounds would be and then activating your muscles because what really happens is when your heart rate goes up that high and your cortisol and your adrenaline and everything are spiking, what happens is you end up getting a lactic acid buildup in your muscles, right? So, you have to be able to train through that while your heart rate is very high. And and also with the guys on the they don't want to do the treadmill because the treadmill's boring. And I'm like, that's why it's the best mental training because if you can sprint at, you know, 11, 12 miles an hour, whatever your sprint speed is, and you know you've got 20 more rounds of this and you're sitting and you can't and and then you got to do 100 pushups and jump back on and do it again, then and you want to quit, you know when you quit on a treadmill. Because you either have to hit the button and go go lower or you have to grab the rails. Out on the street, you might just slow down and not even realize that you're slowing down and and cheat without knowing you're cheating. So, I'm like, and and you're out in fresh air, you're loving. In a on a treadmill, it's the is the best mental training, which ups your cardio because half the time your cardio or your strength and conditioning is comes from the self-doubt, comes from the from the mental anguish and the anxiety that also creates cortisol in our bodies, right? And so, I feel like same thing goes with with anything, jiu-jitsu or whatever. I think there's a you have to find the right ways to mimic that stuff outside so that there are days you can come in and just train the technique, right? So, you're not killing yourself. And then there's a couple days where you need to come in and and and go hard and and and see if see if it's working and and get the practical application of it. But I don't I really am not an all or all or none kind of guy. I I feel like you kind of have to do a little everything. Speaker 1: Can you give me an example of one of these treadmill routines? What would you start a fighter on, uh, who's who's not done this before? Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I have three basic ones I do. So, one is is a 20-minute, it's the number one. And what they do is they they sprint and jog for a minute. So, on average it's like, let's say, let's say your jog speed, I'm I'm old and fat. So, my jog speed is like 7 miles an hour. My sprint speed is 10 miles an hour. I had guys that their jog speed was 10 miles an hour and their sprint speed was 13. I can't even stay on the treadmill at 13. But let's say it's so you run for one minute at 7 miles an hour. And then you go one minute at 10 miles an hour. And you just go jog, sprint, jog, sprint, jog, sprint, jog, sprint. And it's got to be that one minute. A lot of people want to do 30 seconds or 20 seconds. A minute is is enough to be to to really get your cardio going, but it but it's also it's not too much to where you can't sprint for two minutes. It's just too much. So, it the minute is like the most you can get at that. And it's not a full out sprint, but it's like a 90% sprint where you're going. And when you start getting into 45 seconds, you are wanting to turn that button down. And then boom, it's seven, but you don't get to stop. It's still a clip. You're still jogging at seven. So, it's 7, 10, 7, 10 for 20 minutes. And then as soon as it's as soon as it's over, they have to jump off and they have to do three sets of pushups, abs, which are like usually twists or leg lifts or situps or whatever whatever their stomach thing is. I usually do twists. And then squats, like air squats, like not without weight. And they have to do 100, 200, 100, three sets of that. So, or or 50, 50, 100, 50 depending on if they're building up. So, you got to jump off and do 50 pushups, 100 twists, 50 squats, and then again, 50, 100, 50, then again, 50, 100, 50 while your heart rate is coming off a 10 mile an hour sprint for 20 minutes. So, um, that's one that's one that we do. And another one is a pyramid where you you start at a five-minute run and you start at your jog speed, 10 miles, 7 miles an hour. And then you jump off, you do a set of pushups, you know, 50, 50, 100, 50. Jump back on and each time you go up 1 mile per hour and you run for one minute less. So, it's four minutes at 8 miles an hour. Jump off, 40, 80, 40, back on all the way up until you get to the last one, which is 1 mile, one one minute at your sprint and back off. By the time you're done with that, you've done something like 300 pushups, 600 ab exercises, 300 squats, and you've run for like 25 minutes, building up to your to your sprint speed. And I've got two or three others, but those are the two that I put people on most of the time. And it's just a matter of the goal is being able to get their heart rate up and then level it off without dropping it and then push your muscles. And then a lot of times after all that, when they do all that sort of stuff, then I'll make them get a medicine ball and they'll have to squeeze a choke on the medicine ball in each arm for like 30 seconds and they'll do like three sets of that just to hold that that isometric when they're have when they're blood is, you know, when they have when they have no cardio and their blood is all the all the, uh, cortisol and all cortisol all that stuff's in their muscles and their lactic acid build up, then I make them squeeze the choke holds for, you know, for many seconds. Speaker 1: That sounds absolutely miserable. Speaker 2: It is. Speaker 1: But better than gassing out and getting, uh, punched into oblivion. Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to me, I I say everybody, I go, the biggest submission, I think the the most undefeated submission on the planet is cardio, right? I mean, I I swear that's it's I'm 50 almost 55 years old now. And I'm like, I when I start getting tired, I'm going with a blue belt and I'm getting tired. I don't even want to be there anymore. And I'm like, I don't want to get tapped out by a blue belt because I'm fat and out of shape and old. But it's like, man, there's nothing that makes me want to get on that treadmill more than when I'm rolling jiu-jitsu with one of my students and I'm gassing out and I know I can't go any faster or harder and all of a sudden I'm losing. And I'm like, this sucks. And it's like, you know, and and and to me, it's like that's the number one thing in any fight sport is is being in a shape that you know you can go from bell to bell without without thinking about being tired. That's the biggest thing. Not even getting tired. You don't even want it to cross your mind. Speaker 1: You don't want to be worried about getting tired. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Well, I'll I'll quote Dan Inosanto that the endurance is the most important physical attribute because you might be strong, you might be fast, you might have great balance, you might have great coordination, you might even be smart, but if you're tired, everything else goes out the window. So, the core of it all is endurance. But there are a lot of people who might disagree. And I also think some people are just genetically gifted and they're built for endurance. So, maybe for those people, maybe that 5% of people should probably be working more on the strength training component. There there are some people are just born with heart and lungs and their biochemistry that goes forever. And so, so maybe for those we we train them a different way, perhaps. Speaker 2: And and it's it's funny too because people like you said, that sounds miserable. I would get it was like a running joke at the gym for a while. We had this one one fighter who's UFC guy and he's he's retired now. But he was known for having incredible cardio. And people would always come to him and go, yo, man, how did all the other fighters go, how's your cardio so good? And he'd be like, I do the coach's treadmill. And they'd be like, ah, yeah, but what else do you do? And he'd say, no, that's like, Well, but fighters are a funny bunch. I mean, they they're all looking for an edge. And I think that's why they're so susceptible to, you know, I heard on Joe Rogan that cold plunges followed by sunning your taint are going to increase your testosterone by 500%. It's cold plunge for five minutes, sun your taint, cold plunge, sun your taint a second time. It's very important to do those two repetitions there. Or, uh, they're listening to Huberman pitch AG1 or or whatever it is. And and I mean, they're desperate for an edge. And then again, they're also edge from the ultimate alpha male Jordan Peterson. You have to be a monster inside. How how dare you go after a fellow Canadian, sir? How dare you? Although he's recently moved to the states and you guys can keep him. Speaker 1: I yeah, we don't want him. Uh, yeah. A significant percentage of your countrymen and his Russian paymasters would disagree. Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. But it's, um, yeah, it it's it is true. They're always but so many I've so many don't want to put in I mean, isn't that life though? I mean, that's kind of life in general. Like that's why the the the scam supplement companies are so good. Everybody wants a secret way to get something done or a secret way to be beautiful or a secret way to to get lose weight. And it's like those almost don't exist. I mean, there's a couple new medicines and whatever, all scientifically proven, but all the ones all these other ones magic doesn't exist. It's it's it's crazy to me. But it's it's funny because one of my big things that it's just like the biggest pet peeve. And I've been asked multiple times, like, you should write a book. And I'm like, well, it'd be more of a pamphlet. The biggest thing that everyone in MMA especially, but I think it goes to wrestling and jiu-jitsu and other things, is it like weight cut. I get this all the time. Like I've had people, like fighters that I've worked with for years and I've explained it to them and they agree with me and I wrote I wrote out I did write out a pamphlet on how to do weight cut and all that sort of stuff and how to lose weight and all that sort of stuff. And I give it to them and I'd explain it to them and they'd understand. And then a month later, I'd hear them say the same things again and repeat the same things. Well, when I was in wrestling in high school, I used to do it like this. And the biggest thing I just don't understand is we're still seeing people kill themselves, having, you know, pull out of fights because they've had renal failure and, you know, and and all these sort of things because they're they're 20 pounds overweight and they've and they just start cutting water and I've I've been there. I've watched guys come in on Tuesday at the UFC and I'm like, that guy's not going to make weight and he's going to end up in the hospital. And it's like three times that's literally happened. The guy I pointed out on Tuesday, that guy's not making it to Friday. And because I see these guys now, my gym, there's a boxing gym down the street from me. And I see these kids run by and they've got all the sweat the the sweat stuff on and all that sort of stuff. And I sometimes I stop and I go, hey, are you are you weighing in tomorrow? No, what do you mean? Well, why are you running around in LA 100 degrees with all this stuff on? I'm losing weight. No, you're not. You're sweating. Speaker 1: Oh, they're they're doing that like weeks before a fight? Speaker 2: No, these these are what people do in the not even in not even they aren't even fighters half the time. These are people just they think they're losing weight. Speaker 1: Oh my God. Speaker 2: But I have fighters that do the same thing where I go, I go, you know, they're like, I got to go to the sauna. I go, it's Monday. You're weighing you're not going to the sauna on Monday. Are you not going to drink water? Like, and I try to explain they go, yeah, but I'm losing weight. I go, no, you're losing water. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. A calorie, which is what our, you know, it's yes, there are other things. It's not 100% calories in, calories out. But it's weight loss and cutting are two different things. Weight loss is losing the fat, losing the body weight that you have to do that for your eight weeks leading up to the thing. That's diet and exercise. And that's it. It's cut your calories, increase your exercise. Calories in, calories out. Wearing a rubber suit doesn't decrease or increase your calories. Right? Sitting in a sauna doesn't change your caloric intake. It makes you sweat. But people have conflated that sweating when they're doing work, they are sweating. So, therefore, sweating is what gives them the the weight loss. No, the work is giving you the weight loss because a calorie is a unit of heat or a unit of work. One calorie is what it takes your body to raise its temperature 1 degree. So, you're actually would lose more weight sitting in the snow. Literally, they did a study years ago. They put a guy in a car in the snow. Um, I wish I could I haven't been able to find it, but I years ago. And he drove for two hours with like the windows down, no clothes on, just drove. And then, you know, they tested his body. At the same for the same amount of time, they had a guy running in the heat. And the guy driving burned more calories just because his body was shivering to keep itself warm. Speaker 1: I know when I've come back from winter expeditions, my appetite is just through the roof. And I'm probably consuming easily by the end of being out. There's a period of acclimatization, but after five, six, seven days out in the cold, I'm probably eating 5,000 calories a day and losing weight. So, because your body is trying to generate heat. So, the the problem there is I'm not I think the potential problem is using cold for weight cuts is it might spike the hormones that are responsible for appetite way more than it would spike the amount of fuel burned. But as a that would depend, right? That's why I I've heard bros say that swimming's no good for weight loss because it stimulates your appetite more than the amount of calories you burn. And that may or may not be true. I I haven't looked at the research of that, but I could see that argument potentially. Speaker 2: And I understand. I agree with that. But also, it's the same thing with like, there's an argument out there where they say, you know, and again, I'm not going to go into the weeds of like, what's better, sugar or fake sugar or no sugar or whatever. But the fake sugars, which I consume, I don't promise. Fake sugars don't have calories, so they don't cause weight gain. But you'll see you'll see people say, fake sugars cause weight gain. No, no, no. Fake sugars do increase your appetite and they can give you an insulin spike because because your body thinks it's getting sugar because it's sweet, but it doesn't get the sugar. So, your sometimes your pancreas will will will, you know, produce something and create make you hungrier. So, it is true that if you have a lot of diet sodas or drink things with fake sugar, your appetite does increase and therefore you eat more, for sure. But if you are logging in what you eat, you might be hungry. But as long as you're logging in what you eat, you're not going to gain weight. And that's the thing when people go, oh, the those are going to make you lose gain weight. No, those are going to make me want to eat more. But as long as I don't act on that impulse, I'll be fine. And but and I'm not even suggesting like working out in the cold. But it's amazing to me what the on top of that with the with the with the sweating thing, as I tell guys, your body functions better when it's hydrated. We didn't know that when I was a kid growing up doing football practice and they'd be like, you don't get water. And they're like, it's 100 degrees outside and we're wearing full gear and the coach would, you know, use water as a punishment. And now we realize, well, that was really stupid. Speaker 1: Especially if you're dealing in a sport that has concussive trauma because now your brain is taking impact in a dehydrated state. And you know, there's no good brain trauma, but we do know that dehydrated brain trauma is worse than regular brain trauma. Speaker 2: And it also when you're dehydrated, when you're severely dehydrated, you don't it's takes at least, you know, after a fight, you get 24 hours usually to rehydrate and you can get pretty rehydrated. But if you're severely dehydrated, you're really not without an IV and without the proper stuff, which they don't even allow you to do IVs anymore because it's masks steroids. So, for just doing a a proper rehydration, if you're severely dehydrated, you are more prone to getting knocked out the next night and then you're more prone to getting severe, you know, like you said, brain brain trauma when you're dehydrated. So, for me, I'm like, I make everybody be insanely hydrated. And I know that's a lot of people do that nowadays, but I've been doing this for 20 years. I'm like, they're very hydrated, like overly hydrated almost. I mean, I don't I don't go over hydrated, but but very hydrated all the way up until the day before the day they're cutting weight. They're drinking a gallon and a half of water before the day before they do weight cut. And sometimes they're, you know, they and then we do salt loads and we do all these other things like as to hold on and then to dump and blah, blah, blah, all these things. But I almost never have anybody miss weight. It's very easy for them and they're and they rehydrate really easily the next day. But I still have guys I'll come in and they've got the set the rubber suit on on like Monday. And I'm like, what are you doing? And they're like, I got to cut weight this week. I'm like, you're not cutting weight. You're cutting water. Stop doing that. And it's it's bizarre to me because I see these guys, they stop drinking water five days out, they start cutting the water. And then they think when they've got one day left that they can still cut five to 10, 15 pounds. And that's really freaking dangerous. Speaker 1: That's just what big water wants you to think. Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Oh, it's got to be alkaline water. Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, that's right. Yeah. It, uh, the water that magically changes the pH of your blood. Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. In a in a stomach that is that is acidic, that is so highly. Speaker 1: And basically hydrochloric acid. What's the stomach pH? It's like pH1. It's some crazy super, super, super acidic. Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a little a little pH balance water is not going to change your stomach acid. Sorry, people. Speaker 1: I can vouch the stomach is acidic. You know how I know that? I was reading a book, it's on the shelf here somewhere of, uh, sodium bicarbonate loading. This was a a trend in the late 80s, early 90s. And the idea was something like, as you exercise, you get lactic acid. Lactic acid makes your muscles burn. Therefore, if you can buffer lactic acid, you're going to be able to go longer and faster. So, I I read all that. It sounds pretty cool. And I, uh, it's quite a bit of baking soda that you're supposed to take. If it's per unit weight. So, for me, I swear it was like an inch or two of baking soda at the bottom of a glass. So, I gulped that down on an empty stomach for breakfast. And let's just say that, uh, the high school experiment where you make your baking soda and vinegar volcano works even better if you have hydrochloric acid sitting in the stomach. And let's just say it was a volcano out both ends simultaneously. Speaker 2: No way, really? Speaker 1: And oh, oh, it was horrific. It was awful. And then I read went back to the book. I was reading like, warning, may cause severe GI, you know, you just read the benefits because you're young and dumb and you don't read the warning, this may cause part of it, right? So, there's again, big baking soda hiding it. Speaker 2: Big big baking soda. Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, yeah, I I think that's also a thing of being young and dumb. I mean, look at how many cases of liver failure there are a year from Tylenol. Tylenol doesn't cause autism, but it does cause liver failure. And it's thousands of cases a year in the United States. And, you know, people just read the benefits. Oh, it's going to reduce pain, it's going to reduce inflammation and not the warning, may cause liver damage. Uh, it's it's I don't know. I think fighters are so again, they're so motivated by gain and so terrified of loss, especially loss in the competitive arena or loss to their training partner, that one guy who keeps on getting the edge on them, that they're willing to roll the dice and try anything. Like, here's undetectable steroids cooked in a bathtub in Mexico. Okay. Done. Yeah. Here's dimethylglycine to pick a supplement that was all the rage in like the early 1980s. Here's some old bodybuilding magazines. Yes, I've got some 300 pound monsters like, all my gains are because of dimethylglycine. And, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that, uh, you know, steroids and, uh, testosterone had nothing to do with it. It's dimethylglycine that's done the trick. Speaker 2: Yes. Exactly. It's it's funny. I remember back in the day there was a a supplement in the late 80s, early 90s, supplement I was taking, a protein powder supplement that they pulled off the market for a long time. There was allegations that they were putting D-ball in it. Speaker 1: Oh, really? Speaker 2: Everybody had crazy gains on it. Everybody did. I was freakishly strong and like when I was like 19, 20 years old, I lifted weights all the time and I never got very big, but I was I was always skinny, but I was like really strong. And, you know, like powerlifting level strong. Like 148 pounds and benching like over 310, you know, like, yeah. And, um, and it was it was a protein powder called Hot Stuff, which is kind of ironic because it was hot stuff and hot being, you know, like maybe it was they swore up and down that they that there was nothing wrong with it. Or that there was nothing, you know, but everybody was using it and it had all these new ingredients. It was the first ones to put like Yohimbe in it and all these different things. And I remember the ingredient said like, the protein comes from Argentinian bull testicle. That was where the protein came from. Speaker 1: How expensive was this stuff? It must have. Speaker 2: What's that? Speaker 1: How expensive was this stuff? It must have. Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was because it was the late 80s, but it was it was it was like the high-end, you know, protein. It was wasn't any more than like, you know, later on they became like, you know, Met-Rx and all those ones that you use the protein powders you could buy. But it was, you know, it was pretty expensive, but it it, um, I don't know if it worked or but everyone I knew that was taking it was getting massive gains and then everyone said it's tainted with steroids. And they swore up and down that it wasn't, but it was pulled off the market. And then it came back on the market and everyone's like, doesn't work anymore. So, the rumor was always that it was had something like D-ball in it and then they got they got in trouble, pulled it off, reformulated it, put it back on and it was never the same again. But man, I used to use that stuff all the time and and I would not be surprised if there was if there was something completely I mean, those things are so unregulated, especially in the 80s. Like we had no idea what was in that job, you know. But, um, Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's it's funny because you're right. I mean, people just want they want the easy answer too because I give them the answers. They go, how do I get this edge? And I go, here, here's what you got to do. And they're like, oh, that's a lot of work. Yeah, it's a lot of discipline, it's a lot of work, you know, you've got to, you know, your cardio, you got to do the right cardio, the right strength and conditioning, you got to you've got to eat the right things, you got to or or at least the right quantities, you know. And you've got to you've got to monitor what you're what you're eating and your calories you're in putting in and the calories you're putting it out and and you've got to be willing to write that down and and, you know, and, uh, and track it over your eight weeks or whatever. And yeah, and same thing. It's weird to me with the with like the whole sweating thing. It it's still so pervasive. I still see it in movie and I get it. Like if you're doing a period piece, you know, you're you're doing a movie about wrestling in the 80s. You know, you're watching Vision Quest and Loudon Swain's got the got the rubber suit on and he's getting the nosebleeds and they never really explained that that's because he's dehydrated, completely dehydrated. But that was what we did back then. And it was wrong. Speaker 1: Well, I I seem to be wanting to drag this into the contemporary environment. Uh, but there's lots of old things that are becoming new again. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a movement in the next couple of years to use leeches to heal or bloodletting. You know, straight out of the Middle Ages. You know, oh, you have an infection, we're going to bleed you. Oh, you have syphilis. We're going to apply mercury and we're going to bleed you. And then leeches, right? And then you have the Joe Rogans advocating for measles parties, which haven't been a thing for like fucking 70, 80, 90 years and don't need to be a thing. So, people are there's a there's there's two prongs. Number one is, this is so new that they don't want you to know about it. And then the the other prong is, this is ancient technology from, you know, whatever. The Aztec Empire or from the Middle Ages that they don't want you to know about. Speaker 2: You know, you know, when they knew so much. I I always love that. Well, you know, the cavemen, you mean the life expectancy of 27, those guys? Speaker 1: The Middle Ages where half of children died before age five. Speaker 2: The science denialism though, it it's it's I I'm it's crazy how much I blame the internet for a lot of stuff because as much as we have all the information out there, the disinformation is is just is not more, it's just as much if not more. And people aren't smart enough and we haven't taught people how to critically think or where to get good information to where people don't know the difference. They they really, oh, that that guy that's a meme from a thing I like, must be true. Oh, that's a a guy I like that has a podcast, must be true. And and the the price it's crazy to me how much stuff like you're talking about like the measles parties and whatever. Like, we know we know like I I heard this in COVID where people going, let our bodies do it. The human immune system is the greatest. That is nonsense. The human immune system is not the greatest thing that like that nature ever made. Not at all. We are finding out too that even when the human immune system works and kills the disease or figures out how to kill the disease, it can cause all sorts of there's so many things that we're finding out nowadays. Autoimmune diseases later on in life that we realize were our bodies attacking itself when it got chickenpox or it got measles. And and yes, it fought the measles and it fought the chickenpox, but it also attacked your pancreas and now you've got diabetes or whatever the deal. Like we're finding out there's or or lupus or there's tons of autoimmune diseases that they're realizing now are because of our immune system over attacking our own bodies. Meanwhile, that's what a vaccine does. A vaccine teaches your body how to fight it without having to face the disease state and go overboard. Speaker 1: Of all people, fighters should understand this. If you're going against, if you're going to be fighting a guy who's got an amazing jab and an amazing double leg, then you should start training, at least somewhat, against other fighters who have pretty good jabs and pretty good double legs. This is something that most fighter or that has amazing armbars. Well, you should probably spend some time going against somebody who has good armbars. That is the definition of a vaccine. It's kind of like the thing you're going to be fighting for real without as much damage. I thought that was an analogy that would get through to the martial arts crowd, but it never did. I was complete failure to propagate that. Speaker 2: It it's it's really yeah, it is really weird because like so many of the martial arts people I kept like it's just a basic fundamental misunderstanding of science. I heard so many people, again, people I know, friends of mine go, during COVID, why are they locking us down and not letting us train? The best way to fight a disease is to be healthy. Speaker 1: This is true. Speaker 2: Right. And and and also not come into contact with a deadly virus. The best way to to not the best way to fight the flu is to not get the flu. So, this idea that, well, yeah, I might get the if I go do jiu-jitsu with 100 guys and I know 10 of them have the flu, I'm going to not get the flu because I'm doing jiu-jitsu. How about you just don't do jiu-jitsu with the guy who's got the flu? Then you won't have to worry about coming into contact with a virus. And it's like this idea that because you do jiu-jitsu, you're not going to get the flu. That's bananas. Like you're everybody gets the flu. This this idea, yes, you your body might fight it better. You might not have as much adverse reactions. You might fight it off. You might be so healthy that the flu gets to you and your body fights it really quick before you get symptoms. That's true. But the fact is that if you can just not come in contact with the flu virus, you won't get the flu. Like being in cold doesn't give you a flu virus. Doesn't give you a cold. You have to come into contact with the pathogen. And it's it's insane to me that that they're like, no, no, no, the best thing to fight off a virus is to put myself in a room rolling around with blood and sweat and and bodily fluids and breath and all that sort of stuff with a bunch of people and some of them might have a virus that we don't know how deadly it is. Like that to me was insane. And guys are arguing with me over and over. Well, if you're healthy, you won't get it. Where did you pull that out of your butt? Like that there's tons of healthy people that get every person on the planet gets the flu and colds and viruses. No matter how healthy you are. Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the calculus changes, as did my own calculus, when if you're dealing with the original COVID variant and especially Delta, which were like legitimately killing lots of people, including young people, including healthy people. And then gradually through a combination of immunity and in this case viral evolution, we're now dealing with something that's less deadly than it was. So, our our risk calculus changes. That that goes without saying. But let's expand the question a little bit. Why is the martial arts community so prone to science denial? They they would argue probably that they are following the science because they listen to some bro on a podcast who was using terms like mitochondrial membranes and other things that they don't really understand. So, therefore, their view is science approved. I would argue that this is not, you know, scientists don't publish their research on podcasts. I hate to break it to you. And it's actually really quite difficult to read a scientific paper. And it's difficult to understand scientific methods and it's difficult to understand the statistical analysis that's required. Uh, but but why is we'll call it alt science or alt health. Why is the MMA community and the martial arts community in general so prone towards that? What what draws them in? I I have my own answers, but I'd love to hear your answers. Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm not I'm not 100% sure. I would say, I don't know that it's more in this community than other communities. I I feel like there's a few factors that could be the case. One, I think people in general don't understand. I mean, I talk to people all the time that graduated high school that don't know basic grammar or math that I learned in third grade. I'm like, I learned that in third grade. And you graduated. How did you get through high school? So, to for me to expect them to understand the difference between a meme and an article and a published scientific study or or an advertisement. I I don't the most the general people don't know. Like I people over and over. Oh, I read a I read a study. You've never read a study in your life. My wife works in the medical field. I'm obsessed with this stuff. I've read a couple of studies. I've read I've read the I've read the abstracts. I've read, you know, uh, my wife has has has, um, has the subscriptions to all the medical journals. So, I've seen some I've seen writeups on these article on these studies. I've seen the breakdowns of the studies. But reading a a study you haven't. Sorry, person. But I think I think there's a bit of the old toxic masculinity, if you will, in this where there is this idea that shut up, I got this, bro. I know what I'm talking about. That whether that's masculinity or whatever. But there's a a little bit of this like, I'm the alpha male guy. I know what's going on. And I think I think there's just a lot of confirmation bias. And I don't know why so much in the martial arts community. But I think a lot of it is kind of confirmation bias, wishful thinking. Because I feel like pre-COVID, a lot of people I knew seemed to be more have a have a have a handle on science. And, um, I mean, I know dozens of friends that I thought were normal, rational, decent human beings that have now gone so far off the rails. And it all started with with COVID. And I think I think there's a couple things that happened in COVID that are that are stuff that we see in history. When you are frightened and scared, right? We know this that you're you're thinking you're you're prone to irrational thinking, you're prone to making rash judgments. And COVID was a time where I mean, there was the first few months. We were locked at home. Couldn't go outside. People were afraid that there was going to be a deadly virus on a package delivered. You know, I remember going to the store wearing rubber gloves and a mask and like coming home and washing the bags because I didn't know what I was supposed to do, right? Could I wash this fruit off? It might have COVID on it and kill me, right? And and then it being at home and like, you're just on the internet all day. You can't go to work and you're on the internet and there's everybody speculating. Everybody's like, I just heard that it was, you know, escaped a lab. And I just heard this. And everyone's, you know, freaking out and scared that the world's ending and stuck in home, isolated, which we know is another tactic that you use to torture people. And I feel like all of that combined with people wanting to get out and train and do these things. And then some people saying, hey, if you're healthy, it's going to you're going to be fine. And I think a lot of gym bros were like affected by that because they just wanted to get back in and train. And they were like, screw it, I'll be okay. Don't listen to that. And then they would go and train and they'd be fine and they'd be like, see, I'm fine. It's all bullshit. And I feel like all of that combined with the fear and the uncertainty of the world and and the misinformation that we got 24 hours a day from people who we had no we had no, um, you know, understanding what's going on. And then on top of that, the irrationality, the not understanding of how things work. To this day, I hear people say, well, Dr. Fauci lied. And I go, how did he lie? And they go, he said we didn't need to wear a mask and then he said we did need to wear a mask. And he said the vaccine was 100% effective and then he said it wasn't. And I go, first off, none of that happened. He said we don't know if it's airborne, but there's a limited number of masks, so don't use masks right now because we we need them for actual health care workers. We don't want to buy up all the masks and have these health care workers dying because they don't have surgical masks. And then later on when they realized it was airborne, they said, yes, it's probably a good idea to wear a mask if you can get one. Even a cloth mask, said multiple times. Cloth masks aren't going to actually do as much, but they will slow down the particles. If you're wearing one and I'm wearing one and we're standing at a distance, we're we're dropping the percentage of contact down. It's not 100%. He said on the on the vaccine. It's like 98% effective at stopping the very the first two versions. But if everyone doesn't get it, it's going to mutate and it's going to create versions that will be less and less, uh, susceptible to the vaccine. It will always help you protect yourself from dying and serious illness. But stopping the disease was only the first couple. Once we had Omicron, Omicron and Delta and all these, it was we'd have to keep creating new vaccines, just like we do with the flu. And viruses like this get ahead of them. That's why we have a new flu vaccine every year. That's why the common cold doesn't have a vaccine. It mutates too quickly. We can't stay ahead of it. And he predicted this early. One day it'll be endemic and you won't need to get the vaccine as much because it'll just feel like a common cold or a flu and we'll all get it. But everyone has a selective memory that he said the vaccine was going to fix everything overnight and that you didn't need a mask and then haha, he was lying, you really did want a mask because he wanted everyone to die. And he did want me to train jiu-jitsu. And I feel like I feel like I these people at least that I know of, my my sole anecdotal experience, it was just that combination of things where it's like, they wanted to train, they wanted to get back out there. They thought that they're they don't know enough about immunity and how a novel virus works. I mean, it's a novel we had no idea with this virus. So, I don't know. I would love to hear your thoughts. Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all all that's true. I think there was a lot of fear, but I think a lot of the fear initially was from gym owners and influencers in the space who are like, how am I going to make a living? And, you know, there there was a lot more financial support for small business owners in countries other than the US. I know Canada gave quite a bit more support. Like, when they had to close their gyms, but they got more financial support from the government. Whereas it sounds like in the states, you got one check with Trump's name on it. That was pretty much it. I I could be wrong about the details of that. So, then you've got people who are literally, uh, think they're going to be bankrupt tomorrow. So, then they're driven towards a narrative that allows them to open up without guilt or culpability. Oh, it's no worse than the flu. Oh, if it's true that it's no worse than the flu, then you're not doing anything bad by opening it up by opening up your gym and transmitting again. It's it's it was fear, but it wasn't necessarily fear of the virus. I think it was fear of financial destitution. And I think another factor that we have to look at is the size of what the influencers in the space did. I I did this for jiu-jitsu. I haven't done this for MMA. But in jiu-jitsu, there's a whole bunch of influencers, of which I am one. And the big influencers, the Gordon Ryans, the Jake Shields, the Tom DeBlasses, the Renzo Gracies, the list goes on and on and on and on. A million followers, 600,000 followers, a million followers, 300,000 followers on the side of essentially MAGA/MAHA/ science denial/ it's just a flu/ Fauci lied/ this was also a super weapon created in a Chinese lab to destroy your ability to get a black belt. And then on the other side, I'm the biggest person in the, uh, call it the pro-science space. And I have 78,000, uh, Instagram followers. And the next biggest person, 13,000, who's vocal. And the next biggest, now we're now we're less than 10. So, the size of the influencers, the the biggest influencers for sure in the jiu-jitsu space, all went full conspiracy. All of them. And they're on the other side. I I don't I'm not I'm proud of my stance, but it sucks that I'm the biggest person speaking out for basic science and for reason and for having some measure of caution when it comes to the lives of other people. And I'm pretty sure that in the MMA space, it's true. I mean, who are the giant influencers in the MMA space? Joe Rogan, Dana White, uh, you know, the Masvidals, like the the Sean Stricklands, they're all very much and unfortunately, I'll call it conspiracism versus actual science splits very nicely on a right on a right-left axis. All the big influencers in the MMA space are alt-right, anti-science. And the biggest guy in the, as far as I can tell, on the side of science in the MMA space is Luke Thomas. And he's got, he's about my size, you know, 70,000, like he's his following is nothing compared to Joe Rogan. His following is nothing compared to Dana White. Uh, so, I think a lot of the thinking and the the air quote facts in the MMA space and the martial arts space were shaped by the influencers, all of whom had a vested interest in going one specific way in the earlier days of the pandemic. And once you accept that the the CDC is lying to you about about this and that the Health Canada is lying to you and the UK health agency is lying to you and the UN is lying to you and what's everybody's lying to you, then it's a free for all. Then the only person you can trust is this bro on a podcast who's also incidentally selling immunity boosting supplements. Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, yeah, they always say follow the money until you point out the money what the the the billions of dollars that they're that they're selling and then it's they they ignore follow the follow the money. Speaker 1: Oh, if you compare supplements to vaccines, yeah, sure. Uh, like Pfizer makes money on vaccines. It's true. And you know who makes like, I think it's like six times more money? It's all the supplements. You know, basically completely unregulated supplements making wild health claims. Supports immune function, which means exactly nothing. Supports brain health, which means exactly nothing. So, you want to follow the money? Fine. But let's go both ways on this. One side is sort of regulated a little bit and the other side is a complete free for all where you're just trusting some podcast bro who swears that AG1 put an inch on his dick. Speaker 2: Yeah. It it's it's and it's crazy because when you they always say like, you know, big big big pharma, big and and look, there've been some evil people, some really fucked up. Sorry, I know I'm supposed to swear. Uh, people saying some some I just talked about a supplement increasing penis size. I think you can use the the F word. I think I think we've we've established that. Good, good. They but yeah, they're they're greedy, they've done a but also but also done some really incredible things saving lives and there are a lot of and the scientists and the people behind these things are not big pharma. They're not the CEOs. The people create the doctors and the people use yeah, and there have been doctors that have prescribed, we know about the Oxycontin uh, Oxycodone and we know about that that situation and how there were doctors that were abusing it. Absolutely. But the generality of it is what it takes to get a drug, uh, approved. There is no paying under the table. There it's that it's just it the FDA is the FDA has its faults too, but the FDA it's very hard to get a drug approved. And you have to you have to have peer review and you have to have all the studies in and all these things. And and there's nothing like that on the other side. And when they talk about big pharma, at least here in the US, the number two, um, and I don't even remember what number one is. It might be oil. But the number two biggest cash, uh, industry, the most affluent industry in the second most is the health supplement industry. It's number two. It's it's bigger than big pharma. Like but no one ever calls it big health supplement, but it's way bigger. So, I it's bizarre to me that they're like, oh, big pharma trying to do that. You are literally listening to something that's unregulated, that says it's unregulated, that we know it's unregulated, that has no studies backing it, that is making more money than the thing that you are saying is the big corporate thing that's that's that's, you know, that that's out for profits. It's bananas to me. It's like, what what what do you think these health supplements are? And and again, like you said, there's no there's who's backing them? Some podcast guy or whatever. Back to that wishful thinking, I guess. I guess it's it's it's more wishful thinking and they can go to GNC and pay 50 bucks and put an inch on their dick. That that makes them they'd rather hear that than, you know, hey, this thing is, you know, Speaker 1: There there's a sense in which the fight community is making entirely rational decisions based off of entirely faulty information. Right? The analogy I've used in the past is, if you're about to go to Japan, you're going to get you're going to I know you're going to rent a car. And I tell you in Japan, red light means go, green light means stop. It's the opposite of the way it is here in North America. Red light, you have to step on it. And then another person comes and tells you, hey, listen, when a red light comes in Japan, you just have to step on it. And another person tells you, and then you hear it on a podcast, and then you hear it on another podcast. And you go to Japan and you're at a stop sign or at an intersection and there's a red light and you step on it and you zoom out in the traffic and you get severely injured and you kill somebody else. You made an entirely rational decision based on completely incorrect information. Like you you were trying to do your best, but you were just not equipped to make an intelligent decision. So, when I'm feeling generous in the about the fight community as a whole, that's what I tell myself. A lot of people are making rational decisions, maybe even compassionate decisions, based on just a sea of disinformation and misinformation. Speaker 2: But but the the thing though is that what I find weird about that, I agree with what you're saying. However, and I used to have a podcast, it was a political podcast and my partner used to always be like, how do these guys, you know, not the information's out there. How do these MAGA people still psycho down that road, you know? And I'd be like, and he goes, when we know the information. And I'm like, no, no, you know the information. They they don't. They don't they don't they're only watching Fox News or whatever. But I feel like in this space, because I've had these conversations with people. So, I feel like in your analogy of like driving in Japan, if all of a sudden you get there and like three Japanese people are like, no, no, no. Red means stop. And you read the manual, the driver's manual that says red means stop. And you go, yeah, but big driver manual's trying to like, at that point you deny it and you go, well, all my bros at home told me red means go fast. Like, at some point, at some point, I I find that, you know, I'm I've had these conversations with people. I'm like, here's, you know, like Dr. Fauci, they'll talk. He was 50 years. He's considered the gold standard worldwide. So, even if you think the US government is corrupt, like you were saying earlier, Sweden and and UK and India and Canada and all these other places where we all have their their top people saying the same thing. And something like Dr. Fauci, you trusted Dr. Fauci when Ebola came here. You trusted Dr. Fauci when we had the swine flu. You trusted Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic hit. All these things that this guy has done that every one in the world is like gold standard. And not that he's never made a mistake before, which is absurd that we don't allow a guy to make a mistake or or able to change his opinion, which is what we want. If he said, hey, guys, I was wrong, we should all wear masks. You should you should thank him for coming out and saying, hey, I was wrong. We made we we made the best decision we had with what we had at the time. It doesn't mean he was lying to you. And you look at this guy's track record. You're like, this guy literally stopped an Ebola outbreak. Like, I mean, this guy was the gold standard for and he's not a political guy. From Reagan through through Obama. Speaker 1: But there's a lot of revisionism going on. And we got to remember that RFK Jr., who from whom a lot of this flows, like, uh, is still an AIDS denialist. He doesn't believe or at least, you know, he's never retracted saying that the HIV virus doesn't cause AIDS. It's actually the drugs that these gays are taking at the nightclubs. He blamed the AIDS epidemic on poppers. He doesn't truly believe that viruses cause illnesses. So, if you read the the book that RFK Jr. wrote on Fauci, like it's it's this gargantuan Gish gallop. This fire hose of misinformation. But if you don't have the the tools to say, hey, hang on, wait a second. Uh, this is complete bullshit and therefore I'm not going to trust anything else in this book. It makes a pretty compelling universe in which, uh, in which they, whoever they is, just want you to be unhealthy. They want you to be sick so they can treat you. Speaker 2: They hear when I had a brain worm. Yeah. Yeah. They want you to eat as much saturated fat as you can. Um, like there are specific players and now they're at the highest ranks of power. Like the damage that RFK Jr. has done to medical science is insane. Like, uh, take a look at the damage that's been done by defunding MRNA research. MRNA vaccine research. They were pretty close to curing pancreatic cancer. Right? There was an MRNA vaccine it was uh, pancreatic cancer is super deadly, completely awful, had something like a 5% survival rate for five years. So, 95% deadly over five years. Uh, there was a preliminary trial where using MRNA vaccines targeted specifically for that type of pancreatic cancer plus other treatments increased that to 50%. That's a 1,000% increase in survivability. Defunded. Like, it's it's it's insane. Like the lunatics truly are running the asylum at this point. Speaker 1: I'm hoping that somebody takes that, you know, um, like where I'm moving now, Ireland, like they've got a ton of medical stuff over there. Like a lot of the pharmaceutical companies are over there too. I'm hoping that somebody takes that research and moves it to another country so that the world can see it because, you know, it it's it's it's bananas it's it's it's batshit crazy to me that that people the thing that's weird though to me is that if you are taking the time, you know, your jiu-jitsu guy and you're taking the time to read RFK Jr.'s book, the guy with no medical degree, the guy with the, you know, brain worm from eating a rotted bear carcass from a park, the guy who was a heroin addict for 14 years, the guy who The guy who denies that AIDS comes from the HIV virus. Right. That you're going to read that book and go, wow, this is amazing. I'm not going to look at any other sources. And not only say I'm not going to look at any other sources, but then because that could be you may just reading, wow, that's amazing. But then people come to you and they provide you because I've done this with people and said, here's I can give you 100 doctors, the world's best epidemiologists, the world's best virologists who will tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000 people reported headaches. That's all it means. And it's and it's like, correlation does not equal causation. Not even close, right? And furthermore, if you consider that anybody could report to VAERS in the middle of a conspiracy fueled worldwide epidemic, there was a huge political component because there were, uh, people were incredibly highly motivated to report negative side effects because it it it agreed with their worldview. And then there's things like, I got vaccinated for whatever and then I got a venereal disease two days later. Huh. Do you think that maybe going to visit that prostitute had something to do with your venereal disease? Speaker 2: Well, and and and then they'll say stuff like, you know, the big one I remember going all the time, oh, you can't trust the deaths because did you know that in so and so place, a guy died of a motorcycle accident and they put it down that he died of COVID. And you're like, no, that's not what happened. Like, first off, that's never happened. And if that did happen, if there was. Speaker 1: It's a crime. Speaker 2: Right. And and also and and it's and it's one out of 6 million deaths. So, okay, yeah, some shit's going to get messed up. But even if that but but that's not what happened. The thing is like, they're like, oh, they they keep calling all these other diseases. I heard that one too. These other diseases, uh, COVID. Well, the guy had a kidney problem or he had a uh, uh, diabetes. Right, that's called comorbidity. And the fact is that that diabetes wasn't going to kill him in three days. The COVID killed him because of his diabetes. But had he not gotten the COVID, that guy would probably live for another 30 years. That's comorbidity. So, yes, maybe the guy in the motorcycle accident had COVID and got a crushed lung and then the COVID killed him. That might have been the case. Absolutely. Maybe the maybe the the the motorcycle accident caused him to not be able to fight off the COVID virus. But what ultimately killed him was the COVID. But but you can't that's the thing is you can the crazy thing to me is they'll read the RFK book and they'll be bought into it or they'll see the VAERS study and they'll be bought into it. And you can give them 100 other things from reputable sources and they'll tell you otherwise. I can point you to the studies that will show you otherwise. And I know they kind of try to listen to studies, like we're talking about earlier about they're like, oh, the, you know, they think science is on their side, right? They'll they'll point out to the the the remember the, um, what was the database, the, uh, and I, uh, VAERS, right? And they'll be, oh, VAERS, VAERS, VAERS. Okay, so you do trust some sort of what you what would be in the scientific world. Yes. Okay. Well, we can tell you that VAERS is not a study. VAERS is a reporting site that is all correlation. It's it's so that they can look at things that have been reported and then go do studies to determine whether or not there is causation to these correlations. Just because 1,000 people said, I got the vaccine and I got a headache, doesn't mean that the vaccine caused the headache. It means that 1,000