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In this episode, Steve Kwan sits down with journalist Michael Colborne of Bellingcat to expose how far-right movements use aesthetics and martial arts culture to recruit young men. They discuss the origins of the “active club” network, the rise of far-right fashion and fitness subcultures, and how hate groups weaponize masculinity and community to spread extremism. Michael also shares how visual literacy can help parents, coaches, and martial artists identify warning signs and resist radicalization within their own gyms. 🔗 Links Mentioned: • Michael Colborne’s work — https://www.bellingcat.com/ ⸻ 👥 Featuring: Steve Kwan — @BJJMentalModels Michael Colborne — https://colborne.bsky.social/ ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: • How “active clubs” exploit MMA and gym culture • The far-right’s obsession with aesthetics and branding • Recognizing coded extremist symbols and fashion • How online propaganda turns into real-world violence • What parents and coaches can do to push back ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 03:00 What Are Active Clubs? 10:00 The Three F’s: Fashion, Fitness, Fighting 18:00 Symbols, Codes, and Far-Right Aesthetics 28:00 How Hate Groups Recruit 38:00 Warning Signs for Parents and Coaches 53:00 Countering Radicalization in Martial Arts 01:07:00 Humor, Awareness, and Pushing Back

Oct 31, 2025 · 1:13:07 · Listen
Mini Ep. 78: Last Mile Problem

Mini Ep. 78: Last Mile Problem

BJJ Mental Models

In this week's mini-episode, we introduce the **last mile problem,** which explains why it gets harder to achieve our goals as we near the end (or "last mile"). The last mile problem is commonly caused by **complexity, complacency, consistency,**or**confidence.** Get our Intro to Mechanics audio course, normally $79, FREE: [https://bjjmentalmodels.com/freeintro](https://bjjmentalmodels.com/freeintro) ⬆️ **LEVEL UP with BJJ Mental Models Premium!** The world's LARGEST library of Jiu-Jitsu audio lessons, our complete podcast network, online coaching, and much more! Your first week is free: [https://bjjmentalmodels.com](https://bjjmentalmodels.com/) **Need more BJJ Mental Models?** Get the legendary BJJMM newsletter: [https://bjjmentalmodels.com/newsletter](https://bjjmentalmodels.com/newsletter) Learn more mental models in our online database: [https://bjjmentalmodels.com/database](https://bjjmentalmodels.com/database) Follow us on social: [https://instagram.com/bjjmentalmodels](https://instagram.com/bjjmentalmodels) [https://threads.com/@bjjmentalmodels](https://threads.com/@bjjmentalmodels) [https://bjjmentalmodels.bsky.social](https://bjjmentalmodels.bsky.social/) [https://youtube.com/@bjjmentalmodels](https://youtube.com/@bjjmentalmodels) Music by Enterprize: [https://enterprize.bandcamp.com](https://enterprize.bandcamp.com/) ⚠️**NEW course from BJJ Mental Models!** **MINDSET FOR BETAS,** our new Jiu-Jitsu audio course with Rob Biernacki, is now available on BJJ Mental Models Premium! For a limited time, get your first month FREE at: [https://bjjmentalmodels.com/beta](https://bjjmentalmodels.com/beta)

Oct 30, 2025 · 11:22 · Listen
#346: 13 Jiu Jitsu Horror Stories!

#346: 13 Jiu Jitsu Horror Stories!

I Suck At Jiu Jitsu Show

Every Jiu-Jitsu gym has its own ghost stories—broken toes, cursed Darce chokes, phantom white belts that vanish for years, and students who never came back. In this Halloween special, I(@thejoshmckinney) and Bryce(@bryceallen_) share 13 real mat horror stories that’ll make you laugh, cringe, and appreciate how crazy our sport really is.From "Ralphing" and broken bones to haunted open mats and the toe bone that escaped, this episode is proof that Jiu-Jitsu isn’t for the faint of heart.🎙️ What You’ll Learn:The 10-year white belt legend (and why he haunts every gym)How superglue is better than health insuranceWhy weight cuts are scarier with brain damageThe true meaning of “Mat Enforcer”…and the fart heard around the jiu jitsu world [HeadnodHQ Home of American Jiu-Jitsu](https://headnodhq.com/welcome-to-headnod-home-of-american-jiu-jitsu/) Jiu-Jitsu for Imbeciles (FREE) [BJJ Mental Models](https://www.bjjmentalmodels.com/isuck) [sportshygiene.com](http://sportshygiene.com) Promo Code “ISUCK” [Datsusara](https://www.dsgear.com/) 10% OFF with Promo Code “ISUCK” [The Competitor’s Journey](https://www.simplifyingjiujitsu.com/comp) Join[⁠ISAJJ PRO](https://www.simplifyingjiujitsu.com/suck) (ALL of Josh’s Courses in One Place) Follow the show on[⁠ Instagram⁠](https://www.instagram.com/isuckatjiujitsushow) [⁠Check out the ISAJJ Youtube Channel⁠](https://www.youtube.com/@JoshMcKinney)

Oct 30, 2025 · 1:13:11 · Listen
Global Martial Arts USA - GMA Gallatin TN

Global Martial Arts USA - GMA Gallatin TN

Academia Rocian Gracie Jr - USA

Welcome to our family, we look forward to working with all students, young and old, who want to grow and improve their lives at a high-level martial arts school. At Global Martial Arts, we believe that martial arts training can help every child, teen, and adult develop the mental skills needed to break bad habits, overcome fears, and overcome the obstacles that hinder their success in life. Global Martial Arts isn’t just about teaching practical self-defense or combative skills, but striving to assist students as they work to improve stamina, physical strength, and mental balance. At GMA, we help students build their self-esteem and self-discipline while improving focus and confidence. As a GMA student advances through their belt levels, they will be empowered with leadership skills and the life skills necessary to navigate today’s challenging world. GMA also offers an after-school care alternative program for children from Kindergarten to 9th Grade. Our vans pick up from the local area, Gallatin schools. Parent pick-up times are 5:30pm; we also offer extended care until 6:00pm. Over 50 years of experience. Call for a Free Trial Lesson. 731-324-3847

Oct 30, 2025 · Watch
THE SIMPLE MAN PODCAST Ep. 145 | Derek Moneyberg’s BJJ Journey - Real or Fake?

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Oct 29, 2025 · 1:21:44 · Listen
Conheça Black Helmet   Academia de jiu jítsu extraordinária em Blumenau

Conheça a Black Helmet, localizada no coração de Blumenau, Santa Catarina. A academia é especializada em Jiu-Jítsu, NoGi e Wrestling, oferecendo treinamento de alta qualidade para todas as idades, a partir dos 5 anos. Com um professor faixa preta 5º grau, formado pelo Mestre Carlos Gracie Júnior, garantindo uma experiência autêntica e enriquecedora. Jiu-jitsu em Blumenau

Oct 27, 2025 · Watch
10 Reasons To Master BJJ Defense and Escapes (Episode 387)

Chewy and Eugene share 10 ideas on why you should master defense and escapes in BJJ. Here are the ideas we discussed: 1. To escape effectively, you will have less fear and worries on the mat. 2. When you become skilled defensively, you can become more aggressive with your offense. 3. Increased efficiency on the mats. 4. When you avoid training escapes then you turn into a grappler with a "glass jaw." 5. When you develop a strong defensive game, your submissions improve dramatically. 6. You get injured less when you have a good understanding of defense. 7. You can tire out your opponent more easily. 8. You will be able to weather the storm against younger and more athletic grapplers. 9. Grappling becomes more fun. 10. If you're a competitor, it gets more difficult to get scored on. Thanks to the podcast sponsors: Check out "Athlethc" at https://athlethc.com/ and use the code Chewjitsu10 to get 10% off of your order of hemp-derived THC performance mints. Charlotte's Web CBD. Head over to **https://bit.ly/chewjitsu30** and use the promo code Chewjitsu30 to get 30% off of your total purchase. Epic Roll BJJ. Check out https://epicrollbjj.com/ and use the promo code Chewjitsu20 to get 20% off of your total purchase. Check out podcast exclusives including conversations with guests, Q&A sessions, and tons more at https://patreon.com/thechewjitsupodcast

Oct 27, 2025 · 1:06:10 · Listen

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Oct 27, 2025 · 10:18 · Listen
3 Year Old x Drop Seoi Nage

How to easily introduce a drop Seoi Nage to a 3 year old. Comprehension, body awareness and spatial coordination all once. #bjj #kidsclasses #jiujitsu #brazilianjujitsu #grappling #judo #wrestling #selfdefense #antibullying #minnesota #minnegrappler #minneapolis #saintpaul #mendotaheights #twincities #familyactivities #fightlikeagirl #independentplay #educationalprograms

Oct 26, 2025 · Watch
Independent play learning drop Seoi Nage moving their

Drop Seoi Nage Adding our game called Judo Bowling where kids are learning how to position themselves and move their body into a kneeling stance to finish the drop Seoi Nage moving their arms in order to throw their opponents over their shoulder. Also as they continue to practice the full move with partners they’re reinforcing the movements guiding themselves with the tape on the mats. Super fun way of playing and learning. Even Coach Lily had fun during the Judo Bowling. #bjj #independentplay #jiujitsu #jiujitsufamily #kidsclasses #kidsactivities #familyactivities #judo #martialarts #grappling #haus021 #haus021us #twincities #minneapolis #saintpaul #mendotaheights #woodbury #fujimats #fujisports #fun #bowling #judobowling

Oct 25, 2025 · Watch
Champions in the Sport: The Mendes Bros Story

From the small town of Rio Claro, Brazil, to the top of the Jiu Jitsu world, Champions in the Sport documents the extraordinary journey of brothers Rafael and Gui Mendes - two athletes who redefined what it means to be champions both on and off the mats. The episode explores their beginnings in the sport, their rise through the ranks to become multiple-time world champions, and the founding of Art of Jiu Jitsu, a global brand that has impacted the next generation of athletes. A story of discipline, vision, and transformation, Champions in the Sport captures an exclusive look into two of the sport's most influential athletes.

Oct 22, 2025 · Watch
Jiu-Jitsu in Public Schools with Black Belt Chris Ortiz

Welcome to the Jiu Jitsu Dummies Podcast, presented by [Black Belt Digital Marketing](https://www.bbdigitalmarketing.com/) and [AcademySafe.org](https://academysafe.org/) Welcome to the Jiu-Jitsu Dummies Podcast! In this pivotal Episode 177, we sit down with Black Belt Chris Ortiz, an educator who is fighting a challenging battle off the mats: getting jiu-jitsu approved and integrated into the public school curriculum. Chris shares the compelling story of his own jiu-jitsu journey and gives us a raw, behind-the-scenes look at the roadblocks, speed bumps, and bureaucratic hurdles he’s encountered while trying to implement the program at his own school. This is a critical conversation about the discipline, confidence, and self-defense skills jiu-jitsu offers students, and the powerful advocacy required to bring those benefits into our education system. Tune in to hear how Chris is working to change the system from the inside out. Instagram handle: @chrisortiz3946 Thank you to Episode Sponsors: [Black Belt Digital Marketing](https://www.bbdigitalmarketing.com/) - Request a FREE Review of your company's online presence today! [Flow N Roll](https://www.flownroll.com/) - Get 20% OFF with Code: JJD [Academy Safe - Join or Donate now](https://academysafe.org/) [Leao Optics](https://leaooptics.com/?aff=17) - Get 10% OFF with Code: JJD [The BJJ Box](https://www.thebjjbox.com/)- Get 20% OFF your first box with Code: JJD20 [Jiu Jitsu Dummies Podcast Store](https://www.jiujitsudummies.shop/) - Get 15% OFF with code: JJD [FightTape.us](https://www.fighttape.us/) - Get 10% OFF with code: JJD Contact the Dummies @JiuJitsuDummies on [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jiujitsudummies/), [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/JiuJitsuDummies/), and [X](https://twitter.com/jiujitsudummies) or at [milton@jiujitsudummies.com](mailto:milton@jiujitsudummies.com) to submit questions for consideration on the show. You can now also find us on [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@jiujitsudummiespodcast) @JiuJitsuDummiesPodcast Visit [Jiu Jitsu Dummies](http://www.jiujitsudummies.com/) for more details about the show, becoming a Sponsor, and a list of sites and apps to download or view the podcast.

Oct 22, 2025 · 1:15:00 · Listen

In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan sits down with UK political video essayist JimmyTheGiant and Truth Collective founder Chris Ingram to unpack how billionaire networks, social media algorithms, and post-truth politics are reshaping democracy across the globe. Links mentioned: • JimmyTheGiant on YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/@JimmyTheGiant • The Truth Collective — https://truthcollective.global • BJJ Mental Models — https://bjjmentalmodels.com ⸻ 👥 Featuring: Steve Kwan — @BJJMentalModels JimmyTheGiant — @JimmyTheGiant Chris Ingram — The Truth Collective ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: • How online radicalization targets young men • The billionaire networks funding global disinformation • Project 2025 and the “post-truth” political era • The rise of rent-seeking capitalism and tech feudalism • Why social isolation fuels extremism • How independent media can fight back ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 02:00 Jimmy’s journey out of the alt-right pipeline 09:30 How billionaires weaponized media and politics 18:00 The global export of MAGA conservatism 30:00 Why fascism is resurging worldwide 43:00 The tech economy, AI, and rent-seeking capitalism 56:00 How misinformation thrives in the attention economy 1:10:00 Rebuilding truth through independent media 1:23:00 Closing thoughts and next steps

Oct 22, 2025 · 1:25:15 · Listen
🎥 “Brazilian Top Team Shines on SA Living!

🎥 LIVE on SA Living! Today, we had the honor of being featured on SA Living with Professor Diego Gamonal — right here at Brazilian Top Team Headquarters 🥋🔥 An incredible moment to share our passion for Jiu-Jitsu, self-defense, and the strong community we’ve built. 🙌 Thank you SA Living for visiting our gym and showcasing what makes BTT special. 💪 #SALiving #BrazilianTopTeam #DiegoGamonal #BTTTexas #JiuJitsu #SelfDefense #SanAntonio #MartialArts #Community #LiveInterview 📍5345 Glen Ridge Dr, San Antonio TX 78229 👉 www.bttsa.com

Oct 21, 2025 · Watch

Renowned BJJ blackbelt Roy Dean came onto The Strenuous Life Podcast to talk about his research into how BJJ got started in North America, martial arts culture in Japan, the power of Judo in self defense situations, the importance of role models in shaping one's conception of masculinitym and more. If you get a chance, please give this show a rating in Spotify or Apple Podcasts. That *really* helps! Also, you can order Roy's new book "Groundswell" here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bjjpioneers/groundswell-the-rise-of-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-in-america And check out "The Kimura Roadmap" here: https://www.grapplearts.com/kimura Cheers, Stephan Kesting

Oct 21, 2025 · 1:02:36 · Listen

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Oct 21, 2025 · 20:44 · Listen
Uncut: Flavio Almeida & Carlos Maia - When Legacy Meets Purpose:

During the filming of the Carlos Maia docuseries, the cameras kept rolling after the official shoot — capturing this spontaneous, heartfelt exchange between Flavio Almeida and Carlos Maia. They revisit early memories from the 1990s: rivalries that shaped Gracie Barra, long road trips to represent the team, and the pride of wearing the GB patch. What begins as a nostalgic moment becomes a powerful reflection on legacy, identity, and the deeper purpose behind Jiu-Jitsu. These are the very principles that inspired GB2, the new Gracie Barra curriculum led by Professor Maia — a structured path that transforms this spirit into daily training, helping students and instructors alike grow with clarity, consistency, and purpose. Explore More: ➡️ Discover GB2 — The New Curriculum with Carlos Maia: https://online.graciebarra.com/pages/gb2-carlos-maia

Oct 20, 2025 · Watch

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