This Is The Closest Jiu Jitsu Gets To A Real Fight

Speaker 1: Have you heard of B B J J? What am I talking about? I'm talking about Barroom Brawl Jujitsu. That's right. Apex Grappling Championship. It went down on the weekend. It was insano. It was all the best bits of like a wild WWE crazy super match with actual Jujitsu. Three on three Jujitsu. We got to talk about this. Speaker 2: Bro, that's a that was a Sydney event? Speaker 1: Uh, I think it was in Queensland, actually. I could be I could be wrong in saying that, but um, Speaker 2: Where was it? Somewhere in Australia. Speaker 1: Let me have a quick little search here so I get the proper details. It was insane. If you didn't see it, cuz I they didn't live stream it, I believe. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 1: That was the only complaint, but plenty of people were recording it on their phones, and I was just catching snippets like, oh my God. You know, like I felt like a kid again. Like I was like, oh, this is so unpredictable and wild. Speaker 2: It's like four on four, right? Speaker 1: Three on three. Speaker 2: Three on three. Okay. And then and then it's basically kind of whatever goes. So naturally, each of the three competitors finds one another. Speaker 1: Yep. Speaker 2: So you kind of got three rolls going on in the alley. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: Yeah. But then you can if you tap someone, then you can go and start double teaming some cat. Speaker 1: Yeah, or you can just straight double team someone straight out the gate. Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can just fucking disregard that guy and go two on one that dude. Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're seeing a lot of two on one finishes, which was so brutal, man. Someone's getting heel hooked and arm barred at the same time. Speaker 2: Oh, man. I love it for as a spectator. I love it. Speaker 1: Oh my God. But I feel like it's a different kind of grappling, cuz you know, there's often these debates about Jujitsu doesn't work one to many, right? It's a it's a Speaker 2: Well, they've allowed head stomps, so we can finally find out. Speaker 1: Trolley poles. No, I I've uh I've fashioned a shank out of my Nike TN. No, it's it's one of those things that when I first started doing Taekwondo back in the day, one of the first things our instructor taught us was you need to just if you have multiple people attacking you, you have to just pick one. You have to go at them and just basically beat the shit out of them and make them a human shield to be able to get out of a situation. Is like you've got to pick someone and just go at them 1000%. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 1: You can't like try and Jackie Chan that shit. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: You have you have to be very direct. And the criticisms I've heard from other martial arts, striking martial arts is, ah, Jujitsu one on one, but what if someone's punching in the back of the head? Whereas, you know, if you can kick and punch, you can do a variety of things. Mate, I tell you what, Tito John Carl, he's coming at you, team bloody grappling education, mate. It was rough town. Speaker 2: For people that don't know Tito, like if you're an overseas listener, you probably haven't had the had the um had the joy of seeing Tito compete, but he's a local boy. Speaker 1: But no, he actually recently won the European um uh heavyweight category. Speaker 2: Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, like he's he's he's accredited. He's out there. But but still, right? You got you got to have a finger on the pulse. Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. Speaker 2: But he is just a I mean, I've seen him grappling a few comps and I've watched his highlights on Instagram. He just looks it's it looks like fun for him. The way he just rag dolls motherfuckers. Uh, his his his thing is um the Brother's Milk submission, isn't it? Speaker 1: Oh, no, Mother's Milk. Speaker 2: Mother's Milk. Yeah, so that's Speaker 1: The Milkman. Speaker 2: The Milkman. So that's his whole shit is get you in the Kazukami or whatever. And then just fucking and and he's he's on the shorter side and he's on the thicker side, and he knows how to fucking direct his weight perfectly through your rib cage and just compress the fuck out of you. But actually, one of the highlights I enjoyed watching of him the most was it was at a local Nogi comp where he came up I think against like three of the guys from Rob Whitaker's team. Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Speaker 2: So it was Rob Whitaker and then I think it was Jacob and maybe Issy. Two of the other boys, three like very high level MMA guys. Speaker 1: Yep. Speaker 2: Great wrestling, cuz they wrestle out at Western Sydney at at Camden Valley wrestling. And um it was just this video of Tito just walking through all three of them. Speaker 1: Oh, dude. Speaker 2: And and a few other cunts that day. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: In spectacular fashion. Speaker 1: Oh my God. I remember seeing Tito as a 14-year-old at one of the first grappling industries just bash grown men. And just, you know, and he he got this guy, he kind of had his back, and he just got his like forearm under the guy's neck. Like he couldn't choke the guy properly. He was And so he just hit him with the like Steiner recliner, like the spinal crank. Just got the hand under the neck. Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Like like a guillotine from behind. Speaker 1: Yeah, and just arched the guy inside out. The guy's like, just try to and I was like, I said to him after, I was like, Tito, what the fuck was that? He's like, I don't know. Just some WWE shit. Just like just this young kid not not caring. And now he's a grown ass man. Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a problem. Speaker 1: So I I can't remember all the members of the team. I think you have four people in the team for it's Apex Submission League. Speaker 2: Right on. Speaker 1: That's the name of it. If you search it on Instagram, search it on the internet, there are clips. And Speaker 2: Bobby Sandhu was on the team. Speaker 1: Bobby was on the team and I can't remember the other two teams. Speaker 2: Who is like it's like him and Tito are like um DeVito and Schwarzenegger in Twins. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But I mean, they are cuz of the contrast, still a little bit different, but like short and thick and then long and long and thin is Bobby. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Equally as devastating. Like the way that motherfucker finishes from the back. Speaker 1: He can just body he can just get to your back and body give you the body triangle of justice that you cannot get out of like like that. His back takes very good. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: And they were decimating. And there was head butts in there. Someone got split, someone got cut. Cuz it's more it's almost more like rugby in a way. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Because you might think you're trying to you're trying to take this guy down in front of you, and then you get fucking side swiped. And then you hit your your teammate and maybe crack your head. Like it's so much more it feels more like to watch. I can't say feel, but through the camera, I felt like this feels more like a brawl. The level of chaos. Speaker 2: It is absolutely insane. Speaker 1: It was not it was not like 1v1 times three. It was way more kind of crazy. And being in the pit, people are up on the wall trying to jump on top. So there was that you know how in wrestling they like get up on the ropes and they jump and they like there was more of that feel. And honestly, it was fucking exciting. I was like, this could be a thing. Speaker 2: Yeah, cuz what we saw from I saw a clip of Tito, I think it might have been on his Instagram, where he kind of like everyone sort of engages like three individual things happening, and he just like grabs some guy and like runs him into the side and like flips him, but then just turns and fucking sprints for the other side and just like just whacks some dude from behind. Speaker 1: Oh, bro. Speaker 2: And then like he's down, someone jumps in there, he just turns and and so he obviously wasn't concerned about the he's like, I'm just going to throw this cunt and then I'm going to go throw this cunt and then I'm going to come back and beat you. Like, you know what I mean? Speaker 1: Just disabling people in front. Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's not like you have to engage someone and stick with them. Speaker 1: No, and the shoving is allowed, right? So that it's almost like a form of striking. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Especially when you got a fridge like Tito. Just not it wasn't like I'm coming for the takedown. It was like running shove. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Off balance that guy. Okay, Bobby, you get on his back. I'll come back to this guy. Like, man. So why do I want to talk about this? Speaker 2: This is fun. Speaker 1: This is it's fun. And who would be your like three or four team members? I think there's four people to a team because maybe someone gets injured or subbed out or someone dies, you need to bring in fresh guy. Speaker 2: You know. Speaker 1: Yeah, you need someone. You need fresh meat. Who's going to be your four? Like if you're going to battle, you're going into that barroom brawl for Jujitsu. And it's just rough house grappling. Cuz you know there's some people who are just they're not the most technical grappler, but they just bang. Speaker 2: I I think it's definitely one of those cases where like you don't maybe I'm wrong as I'm saying it, but here's why I'm thinking. You don't want the like the highly intellectual Jujitsu technician. You want the guy or the girl that's got the dog in them. Speaker 1: Oh, 100%. Speaker 2: Just want someone that's going to go ravenous and just start putting hurt on people. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: You don't want someone that's like entering their leg entanglement and like countering their shit and off back, you know, doing all the shit. You just like, mate, hurt people and then when the opportunity's right, you can tap, you know, try to break something. Speaker 1: Give me the injury machine. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: You know, the the one who's always bumping into other people. That's that's the person you need. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Whoever that is. Speaker 2: You want like the ex-rugby player that's now three stripe blue belt. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: Still mid twenties. Speaker 1: 100%. Speaker 2: You know, and just knows how to body people. Speaker 1: Yep. I would I would definitely I would uh one of my picks would be Eric Thoback. Speaker 2: Oh, no. Speaker 1: I just like just flying triangle everyone, Eric. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: And in the process, I think cuz he's so long, he would just take people out. Speaker 2: Yeah. Eric Eric is a um he's he's a training partner of ours at Advantage. He's a an an elite level Estonian athlete. Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays basketball. Speaker 2: He was a national team. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But he's clearly just an elite athlete in whatever sport he chooses to play. Mate, he will dunk on you in multiple ways. Speaker 1: So I I think the I want to have this chat because I'm like, who who do you pick? Like, if you if you it's not as simple as like, you know how people have fantasy football? Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Speaker 1: And they just pick, oh, this guy's good at that, good at that, blah, blah, blah. Speaker 2: It's like, yeah. Speaker 1: Well, whatever. If you're into it, you're into it. No, I don't I don't partake. But I think you could start an awesome like barroom brawl Jujitsu League. I mean, that's that's kind of what Apex is trying to do, right? So um grappling education team won the belts. They won. But I feel like the only shortcoming of this format is that you're going to choose through people very quickly. You know? Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was I was having a can we talk about that? Speaker 1: Please. Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. I was like, I really love these highlights that I'm seeing, but I'm like, I just think this is totally unsustainable for the for Jujitsu. And then I was like, well, actually, its sustainability is built on the amount of young blokes. Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: Really, who are just prepared to put their body on the line. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And the more I think about it, the more I think, well, the Jujitsu culture is actually pushing in that direction anyway, right? Speaker 1: It is. Speaker 2: Like let it snap, let it break, keep going. Like we just that part of our culture has only gotten worse. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: As time goes on and as there's more prize money and more social media clout to be had. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: And um and I'm not throwing shade at that, right? Like fuck you get your clout. Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Speaker 2: You get your clout how you get it. But you know, we think about like Adam Jones's event. Speaker 1: Oh, Scrappy Mats. Speaker 2: Scrappy Mats. Same kind of thing, right? And so you're like, well, if there's if there's people out there that are like, yo, I'm I'm happy to sacrifice an ACL for this, then it's like, well, fuck, so be it. Because I just I can't imagine that like the injury rates in this type of event have to be significantly greater than what we see in regular one to one Jujitsu. Speaker 1: Definitely. I think you're seeing more like rugby level injuries, like head clashes. And there was like um I can't remember his name. I know him. Speaker 2: I mean, there was a dude getting leg locked and arm barred at the same time. Speaker 1: I think And he couldn't and he couldn't tap. The referee had to. Speaker 2: And more than once. And the ref was there. I think there was two refs or maybe three. But you're like, it's only a microsecond delay and and everything's breaking. Speaker 1: Arm and leg. Yeah. You may not walk out of there. Like I think that's that's what you got to factor in. And because it's new, we haven't we can't know. We just have these, you know, we I don't know. Speaker 2: Hey, if I can give you my honest recommendation for one of the best supplements I've implemented in my daily, particularly for my Jujitsu training, it's Sodi. It's these electrolytes. We talk about them all the time. They've sponsored the show for some time, but it's excellent. 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And you're like, where the fuck do they come up with this side show? I'm here for it. Love you don't you don't stop watching until someone gets knocked out. Speaker 1: That's true. And then but then I've seen almost and it's pretty brutal, which is like team MMA parkour. So they have like white team versus red team. Yeah, this is fucking real. And it's like a MMA fight, but like a battle. There's like 10 dudes on each team. And they've also got to get to the top and claim the flag. Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: So you've got guys climbing and fighting. And dude falls and lands on another dude. Like from a height. It is rough. You're like, only in Russia or maybe China. Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So okay, yeah, so then so here's where my next thought process with this. Um and this this I've been thinking this with power slap. And with Speaker 1: Oh, it was the the uh Jimmy. Jimmy D, shout out Jimmy. Um from uh Speaker 2: Your mate Jimmy. Speaker 1: Jimmy, uh Blue Mountains. He he's a very fit, strong fella, does Sambo, does combat Jujitsu. Speaker 2: Ah, he was the other member of the team. Speaker 1: Well, no, no, so he I saw a clip of him getting like head clashed and bleeding. Speaker 2: Okay, nice. Speaker 1: Yeah. Fuck yeah. So yeah. Oh, I mean, he's he's good for that. But uh I was just trying to think of the name of the person. Speaker 2: But yeah, so I had this thought when power slap became a thing. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: And then the run it straight challenge. Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 2: For those who aren't familiar, run it straight is a thing that's come up. It's big around these parts. Speaker 1: If you don't know what run it straight is, you need to Google it. Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, you got to Google it. It's it's it's it's exciting to watch a few times. But basically, they've taken the you know, we've taken the game of football, rugby league or rugby union, where two players will run at each other, one will have the ball and you essentially try and to run through each other. And so they've gone, well, that's an awesome exciting part of this whole game. Let's just do that as the sport. Speaker 1: Nice. Speaker 2: So it's like you start there, you start there, you're holding the ball, run and let's see what happens. Excuse me. And so it's it's great and you watch some highlights and you're like, whoa, this is super exciting, right? Like and you're like, oh, poor dude. Like guys are getting like bodied out cold. You're getting double knockouts, right? Like it is CTE city. Speaker 1: A young man. Speaker 2: Like these motherfuckers are going straight to Will Smith to get their brains checked. Speaker 1: A young man is could actually unfortunately passed away, I think in New Zealand. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 1: And they may have banned it. Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've they've got it in the US. It's like it's still continues as a sport per se. Speaker 2: Well, I think they put a couple of NFL players against a couple of rugby union players and the NFL players did not hit well. Speaker 1: Oh, mate. Speaker 2: Cuz they got no body armor and shit. Speaker 1: Oh, mate. Speaker 2: And this motherfucker's from a place called Tonga. Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've got you still got, you know, people from Hawaii, big big body hits as well. Speaker 2: Of course, of course. Speaker 1: I guess it's different. Speaker 2: But so but so you can't help when you look at that and be like, this and it's come about because of social media, right? Speaker 1: Definitely. Speaker 2: Cuz sports like that lend themselves to a 15 second viral clip. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And like the the game of rugby, if we look at it and it's using it's using the youthfulness and the physicality and the strength of of young athletes. And then like sport is kind of somehow inherently exploitative. But everyone opts in, right? So if you play at that level, you're like, yo, I'm opting in. Like, I know I'm going to probably get injured, but I'm here for it and I love it. But when you take it to that level, like that extreme end of it, I think it really the exploitative nature of it really does have to come into question. Cuz you're like, look, motherfuckers will do things for clout. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: But they will literally sell the sell the well-being of the rest of their life for a moment of glory. But if you ask them in 20 years time, they wouldn't be making that choice. It's just cuz they're so young. Speaker 1: They just probably wouldn't remember anyway. Speaker 2: That's right. But you know what I mean? Speaker 1: So rough. Speaker 2: And so and so I'm like, is there some kind of onus on us as an audience to to kind of try and you know, to keep some kind of standard? Speaker 1: Mate, what are you talking about? Like we love the UFC, we love like blood sports, it's the Colosseum, right? Speaker 2: It's it's true, but but even I can even make an argument for the UFC in that um it is like it's one to one, first of all, right? It's an entire it's an entire sport. So it's not just let's just stand here and like slog it out, feet to fix it. Speaker 1: No, but it is. Speaker 2: Well, no, but Speaker 1: No, no, no, but what? Max Holloway like, hey, Justin Gaethje, stand here and I'll just take like couple years off your brain. Speaker 2: Sure, you can you can be that guy, right? But you can be you can be a sniper, you can be the Alex Pereira, you can be the GSP, who, you know, like you know, you can you can strategize how you like. Um it's not you know, it's it's it's absolutely exploitative as well. Speaker 1: But the only get 5% of the. Speaker 2: But there's all yeah, I mean, this may be but there is for some people a financial reward. Not for all of them, but for some, right? So you could argue, well, at least for the fucking top three fighters, they're offering some cash. Do you know what I mean though? It's just like, where do we draw the line with, all right, this is acceptable. Speaker 1: So where you're going with this, Joe, is you're saying, is Jujitsu going that way? Speaker 2: Well, is is this team thing a bridge too far? I'm obviously a fan of the highlights, but I'm like, hey, are we just going to see a bunch of really good grapplers fuck themselves up prematurely and not be able to reach their potential in, you know, in like the more conventional approach to Jujitsu, which is one to one. Um and, you know, sacrifice many years of health in their later in life. Speaker 1: Maybe. That's that is a legitimate question. I didn't think we were going to get to today, friends. Speaker 2: Based on everyone's firework. Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no. But I think it's like I think it's like many things. I think we probably you got people out there who are putting their ACLs on the line for a a medal that costs 50 cents to make in a Chinese factory. Like, they're not getting paid. Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, what whatever an individual is prepared to do. I mean, we all do foolish things. I mean, people are backyard brawling for the fucking shits and giggles, right? Just with a couple of beers in. Speaker 2: Why don't like if we want to make something exciting, why don't we just go fuck it and and launch a Russian roulette league? And it's like, look, there's one in the chamber. There's a one in six chance you're going to blow your head off, but there's like five chances in in six that you won't. Speaker 1: Well, maybe. Speaker 2: You know, so let's just fucking do it. Speaker 1: I think it's probably It's probably It's fucking great viral 15 second clip. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We could do. Speaker 1: The ACL shootout. Speaker 2: We could do you put your leg in like a machine that just puts your knee into like hyper extension and it's like, look, um press this button at a random interval, it's going to go into hyper extension, but and so it's like blank, blank, blank. You know? Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Let's let's see that reaction. Wow, pokies. It's like a slap on the pokies. I mean, look, we are risking it even when we go to training, right? But what in the name of what, I think is this is where the conversation goes, right? You could do a crazy three on three match. And, you know, everyone in there is a you know, able-bodied, willing participant who's up for that kind of fucking action. Speaker 2: My 16-year-old cousin said he's had a good think about it and he's ready to die. Speaker 1: Hey, I'm the the people in there were seasoned. They weren't Speaker 2: Oh, no, yeah, no doubt. Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it's you it's not something you would go into lightly. And I think a couple of those people fought MMA before as well. So that's where it would probably and maybe this is a format or a style that suits someone who likes you know, is there for greater physical damage than just a a submission. You know what I mean? Um I think it's good. I think we're going to see more of it. And I'm here for it, Joe, so Speaker 2: Look, I'm not I'm not going to say I'm not here for it, you know, there's just a part of me that's like, oh, fucking, you know, but you know, whatever. I do bad shit all the time, so Speaker 1: And it's on a list. Happy days. Apex Grappling Championship. Check it out.