#62 - The HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE Is On The Line At WNO 31

Mach deinen Garten oder Balkon Startklar für den Frühling zum besten Preis. Von bunten Blumentöpfen über robuste Gartengeräte bis zu tollem Outdoor Spielzeug. Bei Action gehen Qualität und der niedrigste Preis Hand in Hand. Entdecke jetzt alle Gartenprodukte in unseren Filialen und in der Action App. Action, kleine Preise, große Freude. Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? We got a stacked show for you. We're going to be previewing who's number one 31. We're going to do a little bit of a draft, you know, see who can come out of this one on top. And then we're going to talk a little bit about ADCC Asian trials. But as always, I wanted to say that this show is presented by IM8, the all-in-one formula for fighters. Built for performance, trusted for recovery. Use code Flow Sports for 10% off and visit IM8health.com/flowsports to get yours today. That's code Flow Sports all caps at IM8health.com/flowsports. And now let's get into the episode. Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Flow Grappling show, aka the worst show on the internet. As always, I'm Trey Robinson. We got Daddy Slack Barrett back down in the freaking hot seat, dude. And then we got Big Uncle Reed right there. He's holding his camera. He's he's filming a little behind the scenes right now for who's number one. Yeah, we're vlogging this. This is like inception. Yeah, everybody watching everybody watching say what's up to the camera right now. We'll see if you know. Speaker 2: Oh, what? Speaker 3: So meta. Speaker 2: Hold on, let me get a good shot. Yeah. All right, there you go. Speaker 1: Okay, perfect. Now say what's up. Yeah, there we go. Say what's up. But we got some behind the scenes going down because it's who's number one week. We got who's number one 31 going down Friday, December 5th in Round Rock, Texas. We got three title fights on the line, nine total matches, six on the under or main card, three on the undercard. And you know, we're going to be making these vlogs all week so you guys can watch along, see kind of some of the behind the scenes stuff as it goes down here on uh on an event week. This is obviously a big week for us. Speaker 2: Now say what's up. Speaker 3: Heavyweight titles on the line. Speaker 1: Heavyweight titles on the line. I think in this we'll get into a little bit of the history of the heavyweight title so we can kind of catch everyone up to speed on like the path the heavyweight title's been on. I think later we're going to do a little draft. You know your boy's the draft champion, two-time champion. I got gold dripping from head to tippy toe. I'm freaking my house, dude. My house is nuts right now. I got I live in a 200 square foot apartment and the walls are decked out in gold. It's nuts. The total property value is probably like 10k, but if you look on the inside with all these just gold medals I've been racking up from our drafts, it's got to boost it to at least 15k. I mean, just craziness going on. Speaker 3: Gold is soaring right now. So it's great timing for Trey. Speaker 2: What was the score of the last uh one? Speaker 1: Like a It doesn't matter what the score was. Oh, I just hit him with it. I hit him with it. Reed's feeling chippy. All right. And the thing is, the score does matter. It does matter because the score's what made it where I win and you lose. So that's as simple as that. Speaker 2: Oh, shoot. Oh. Speaker 3: Trey put the score together, so it's suspect. Speaker 1: Yeah. And listen, and I'm not above cheating. I'll just say that. So yeah, you guys go fact check me if you want, and I'll cheat, simple as that. I'll lie, cheat, and chill anything it takes to win. Lie, cheat, and chill. Speaker 3: Classic jiu-jitsu guy. Speaker 1: Yeah, lie, cheat, and chill. All right. Well, we got to get into some actual stuff here. Speaker 3: All right, let's keep it moving. Speaker 1: Yeah, are you going to are you going to vlog this whole episode? This is kind of nuts. Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'll put the camera up. Speaker 1: You can just put it over there, maybe do like a time-lapse thing or something. If that works for you. Yeah, Reed's already trying to find his way out of this one. Speaker 2: I'll pack that memory card. Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. But yeah, let's we'll we're also going to talk about uh ADCC Asian trials. The first Asian trials is going down. Uh or no, this this is the second one. They already had an Asian trials? Speaker 3: First Asian trials. Speaker 1: Yeah, first Asian trials. They've already done the European. Um so we'll talk about that later in the episode. But first, getting into this, let's talk about uh oh, just broke my laptop. Speaker 2: Yes, clip that, yo. Clip that and and make sure it's everywhere. Speaker 1: All right. Speaker 2: You bring Trey down a couple notches here. He's got too much gold in his house. Speaker 1: Hey, it's it's lonely at the top. Lonely at the top. Speaker 2: But no, no two better guys uh who could be fighting for the heavyweight title. You know, obviously, uh started with Tim Spriggs back in the day. Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's why like maybe people have forgotten the path it's been on. They might have think it was just like Gordon was the first champ. So, just to break down real quick, the history of the who's number one heavyweight belt. We first debuted the heavyweight belt in September 2021. That was at who's number one championships where we did a heavyweight bracket. Um guys like Tim Spriggs, Tex Johnson, Kainan Duarte were all in that bracket, but it was Tim Spriggs who ended up beating Haisam Rida, Tex Johnson, and Kainan on his path to securing the belt. So Tim Spriggs was the first ever who's number one heavyweight champion. Speaker 3: And then we never saw Tim Spriggs again. Speaker 1: Never saw him again. I I think we saw the belt again. He was using it as a prop in some pro like local regional pro wrestling stuff, which is pretty cool. Speaker 3: What could have been with Tim Spriggs. Speaker 1: For real. So, Tim's Tim kind of disappeared out into the distance and officially in July 2022, Tim vacated the heavyweight title. I think we were kind of, you know, we were chasing some matches. We wanted him to defend it. Never could end up making something happen. So basically, July 2022, he now vacates the heavyweight title. Then also in July 2022, we put the vacant title back up for grabs and we saw Gordon Ryan going up against Pedro Mourinho. I believe that was on the who's next finale. If you remember how that played out, uh Speaker 3: Crazy night. Speaker 1: Yeah, it was super crazy night. One of the wildest nights in my time at Flow Sports history to be honest. Speaker 3: Oh my God, it was so wild. Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a good night. I'll admit it. Enough time has passed. Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Speaker 3: I kind of block out. That's for sure. Speaker 1: Enough time. Do you know much about that night, Slack? Speaker 3: No. Speaker 1: We get we you want to go into that night just a little bit? Speaker 3: We did we did the finale, Isaac versus uh Kyle Chambers, you know, and there's so much discussion beforehand on like where do we do it? Do we do it no time limit? Do we do it last match? Do we do we put Gordon last match? And like it was just such so such chaos to be honest around that time because everybody had an opinion and so many people were trying to kind of move things around. So we ended up doing Kyle versus Isaac no time limit match as the co-main event. Speaker 3: Right, okay. Speaker 1: And the match ends up going an hour and a half. Speaker 3: An hour and a half, yeah. Speaker 1: An hour and a half. We had to stop the match and put it on the the practice mats. But um it was like a lively crowd. Like the crowd was kind of into it and stuff like that. They were like, this is crazy. Like every time somebody would get close to a submission, the crowd would go crazy and then and then everybody would like moan inside that they didn't finish the submission and it was keep kept going. Speaker 3: Right. Speaker 1: But like as that clock kept ticking up, it just kind of started feeling like a worse and worse feeling. As the people putting on the event, it was like, oh no. Speaker 3: Dude, it was like It was like an hour, it was like an hour into the match and I just like went back to like the uh like the uh production room and I just like laid down because I was just like, I can't be out there like watching on pins and needles for this to go to to to this match to finish finally. And everybody's looking around at me being like, what do we do here, Reed? What's what's the plan here, Reed? Speaker 2: You're the guy who does this for us. Speaker 3: I just was like, oh my God. They have to submit each other. And then so it was like an hour into the match. We decided to move it to the to the side mat and then put on Pedro versus Gordon, which had a 30-minute time limit. And Gordon had like a very specific submission that he wanted to hit on Pedro, but he wasn't able to quite hit the the the the submission on Pedro. Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was a smother. Speaker 3: Smother, smother. Speaker 1: At that time, that was when like smother was like exploding on the scene and Gordon was like really trying to like get the the smother on Pedro. But Pedro's an absolute dog to be honest. Like it's like Gordon was on top of him, just kind of repeatedly passing, mounting, you know, and then it like fully locking a smother. But Pedro was just like eating it. It's like if you've ever been in a smother, it's just more of like you eventually kind of panic. Like, you know, you're just like, you're not able to bring air into your lungs kind of and you find Speaker 3: Can't move, you can't bridge and so you're like, all right, I'm stuck. I'm over. Speaker 1: Yeah. And uh but it was like Gordon would be on top of them and then all of a sudden like he would just finally like bridge enough and you'd see Pedro like peek his head out and just and then go right back in. It was like watching a guy like drown under waves. Like it was a it was a crazy thing to see. But Gordon wouldn't submit him. Like so he Speaker 3: So it ended up going 30 minutes and then and then it was like and then finally on the on the side mat, uh Andrew was able to to get the submission. I mean, um Isaac was able to get the submission on on Kyle and it was all over and and you know, it all it all worked out. But uh that was just one of the the the craziest WNOs ever, especially just behind the scenes. There was so much going on. There's a lot of fallout from it too. Speaker 3: Yeah, because like a lot of jiu-jitsu purists would be like, that's how it's supposed to be. That's the best way it could be. Speaker 1: That's how I was. Speaker 3: And then it's like, okay, I guess we ran this test. What does everybody think? Is this the best way? Speaker 1: There's I'm not I'm I still love no time limits submission only to be honest. Speaker 3: I still love. Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not out on it either. I think it's like the issue is when there's still a match to happen is like it does not work in that way. I, you know, not to show our cards, I want us to do one-off sub only no time limit matches like more like, you know, Rutsi, like in a gym, two dudes got beef. Speaker 3: Gracie challenge. Speaker 1: Yeah, like me me and Slack, you know, he beat me at Nogi Worlds, but I thought, you know, I got screwed on a decision, something like that. So it's like, okay. Speaker 3: Advantage, but you can't submit me. Speaker 1: Now let's take it to like the pure form and go submission only no time limit in a gym, both guys meet, like just the people from that gym, the coaches, you know, only ones there. And we do a one-off live stream where it's like, we don't know how long this is going to go. We could be three minutes, it could be three hours, but it's like it's just the stream's going to go until this submits and then that's it. So it's not like you have to like be waiting for like, oh, I really wanted to see Pedro versus Gordon, you know. It's not like there's something else you're looking for. So you can kind of tune in and out, you don't want to miss it. Speaker 3: 24-hour jiu-jitsu match. Speaker 1: Yeah. Keenan had something like this, right? Speaker 3: Yeah, Keenan and Gordon fought way back in the day. I remember watching it at Grappling Industries. It was just like a a a an Instagram live or a Facebook live, you know, and I remember just like we were doing another event and we were just like tuning in for 10 minutes, Gordon versus versus Keenan and then we would tune out and then we'd go back to it and go, you know, it's like and we saw so many great matches at who's number one, like Fabian versus Andrew Tackett, no time limit, Tristan versus Adam Bradley went three hours. It was an absolute insane tour de force match. Like there's just great story in a submission only match, you know. So, that was fun. But uh yeah. Speaker 1: So, back to the heavyweight championship, July 2022, the vacant title. Gordon Ryan does defeat Pedro Mourinho via rear naked choke. He did end up submitting him. The crowd was like, just submit him. And so finally Gordon submitted Pedro via rear naked choke. He secures the belt. He's now our second title holder for the who's number one heavyweight championship. One month later, Gordon defends against Felipe Pena. Obviously, that was another crazy one, but Speaker 3: Next. Speaker 1: Another just absolutely insane who's number one, of course, that we got the news just hours before that who's number one that Leandro Lo had been murdered. You know, so it was just one of the darkest days in jiu-jitsu history, if I'm being honest. And then and then we followed it up, you know, 12 hours later with Gordon versus Felipe. It was just whirlwind of an event. Speaker 3: Another. Speaker 1: That was a heavy one for sure. Pretty bad. I mean, bad news on the Leandro thing. I believe his uh like the guy who murdered him got acquitted, I believe. Speaker 3: Absolute bummer. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's horrible. Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully that's not the end of the road, to be honest. Hopefully there there's there's more to happen here and to be honest, I'm not super familiar with the Brazilian justice system. Um but man, just Leandro Lo, just an all-time legend, one of the greatest guys to ever do this sport and deserves justice at the at the highest level, I think. And and um just a gem of a person that that we lost in jiu-jitsu. It'll it'll never be the same. And I do hope that we can eventually find some justice here. I hope this is not the end of end of the road, but I know there's a lot more people out there who kind of know a lot more about this trial and about this situation than I do, but I'm I'm trying to keep keep tabs on it, but it doesn't doesn't look good, unfortunately. Speaker 1: No, that's a bummer of a deal. But August 2022, Gordon defends the belt against Felipe Pena. He retains the title. October 2023, Gordon then puts the belt up uh again against Patrick Gaugio, where he successfully defends it via armbar against Patrick Gaugio. And then June 2024, Gordon has his final defense of the belt where he takes on Josh Saunders, ends up winning via outside heel hook to defend the title for a third time. And then May 2025, Gordon vacates the belt. So this is whenever this is post ADCC 2024. This is, you know, Gordon didn't know if he was going to do ADCC 2024. He ended up doing it, getting some wins there, uh becomes the most winning champion in ADCC history, but decides to vacate the belt because he doesn't know where his health stands, all of that, and decides that, you know, he's going to vacate the belt. So then the belt is back up for grabs and now the vacated belt is going to be for Felipe Pena versus Luke Griffith going down December 5th. We're going to have a new heavyweight champion crowned. So definitely the belt's been on a little bit weirder of a journey than maybe a lot of people realize, kicking off with Tim Spriggs, getting it, and now it's going to be Felipe Pena, one of Gordon's biggest rivals in history, going up against a Gordon Ryan student in Luke Griffith. Obviously, King's Way is going to want to keep that belt in the King's Way room. But Felipe Pena, I mean, we talked to him on the show. There's nothing he wants more than to be solidified as one of the best and holding the who's number one heavyweight belt is definitely a way to do that. I also think this match is sick because we're seeing a legitimate number one versus number two going for the championship. It's not every who's number one. Obviously, the name of the event is who's number one, where we have a number one and number two competing for the top spot and the belt. So, I think it's going to be significant. I think this is a huge match. These guys have met before. They've met two times. Obviously, Felipe has gotten the better of Luke both times. But that's like uh like what do they say like the worst lead in soccer is or something? Like a 3-1 lead or something like that. There's some stat where it's like there's the the worst lead you can have in uh I believe soccer where teams are always kind of are able to come back from that. And I feel like a 2-0 lead in a jiu-jitsu rivalry is not a great place to be. It's really hard to go up 3-0 on somebody. Like how what was Felipe's record against Gordon? Like was he 2-0? Speaker 2: Um, yeah, he was 2-0 out the gate. Speaker 1: And then Gordon got the third win back. So it's like, it's very common to to see a guy get that third match. It's like hard to beat somebody in jiu-jitsu where records aren't perfect, you know. Jiu-jitsu guys take losses here and there. They get beat by the guy they've beaten a bunch of times, you know, someone's finally able to crack that puzzle. So I do think a 2-0 lead is a bad leave lead to have in jiu-jitsu where it's like this third match. Luke now has so much more information uh Speaker 3: A lot of data. Speaker 1: A lot of data, you know, he's gotten submitted twice now by Felipe. So it's like you know there's a lot on the line. You don't want to get submitted three times by a guy. Speaker 3: But this is this is like the first time where these two guys know that they're fighting each other. Yeah. In the past, they didn't really know that they were fighting each other. Of course, they met in the finals at ADCC. I'm sure they had a good idea. At least Luke probably had a good idea that he was going to eventually have to fight Felipe. But and then they they met in CGI and and you never know who was going to meet who in CGI. So it's like they they weren't really actively planning for each other, actively game planning for each other. So I really think this is going to be like a very different match now that that these guys have been focused the last the last, you know, 10 weeks or whatever on each other. And you know like how good John Danaher is and and Gordon and and the King's Way crew are at kind of game planning for a certain opponent. And they've game planned for Felipe Pena many, many times. So I just have to think that that this is going to be a very different match, you know, it you know, who knows, it could go down similarly, but 15 minutes is a long time. We've seen both guys kind of gas a little bit. We saw Luke maybe gas in in his ADCC match with Felipe. Uh but more recently, we've seen him, you know, kind of come on in the later stages of a match against Victor Hugo and stuff like that. So, there's just a lot to take in here with the with the time limit, uh the submission only rule set here and everything like that. So just I don't know, I think it's going to be a different match. Speaker 1: For sure. What do you think about this one? You got any thoughts on it? Speaker 3: Yeah, I think um, you know, something you have to consider. I mean, obviously Felipe is one of the best in the world, if not like one of the greatest in the heavyweight division, but um, you know, he and Luke met two times now in like very different rule set scenarios. Like tournaments are completely different than super fights. Like anybody will tell you that, even how you prepare for them. You're not preparing for one person. So even if he knows going into ADCC, there's a good chance like if this goes well, because of how the bracket is, I might be, you know, we might meet in the final. You don't know how every match leading up to that impacts how you go into that match. Um your strategy in a tournament and all the things that you kind of have to take on to get to the final is different. And then you just have different rule sets, different strategies. I think it's really cool that in this scenario, we're going to get to see the least amount of like, I mean, of course, there's still strategy, but like the least amount of rules and points and kind of like strategic things in that sense where it's like you have 15 minutes, you know exactly like you have prepared to face off against this person. There are no points, all right? So that kind of in my mind is like a fan creates a little bit more of like a pure, okay, let's like settle this on the third round. Let's settle it in this type of rule set, which I think is really cool. Speaker 3: And and Luke is still just such a young black belt. You know, what has he been a black belt for a year now? Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was Speaker 3: He got his black belt right after beating Victor, which I also think was like a huge milestone to kind of see how he adapted after ADCC and again, in the same rule set where it's, okay, you have 15 minutes, it's a different strategy, there are no points. And he looked really good in that WNO match. So I think that like this is actually a great space for us to see the greatest Luke and maybe the one that will beat Felipe. Speaker 1: Yeah, the the last time we saw Felipe was against Declan Moody, right? At who's number one? I believe. I believe his last two were Rafael Lovato Jr. That was the Maragali Wagner card where uh he got the decision win and then Declan Moody was his last submission. Um Speaker 3: Haisam was in there? Was that Haisam beforehand? I forget, but Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that would have been before. I think the Declan one was the last one. But so both these guys, great resumes on who's number one, you know, especially a couple last solid performances as well. Uh and I think this one this one's going to be huge, you know, I'm excited for this. If you don't if you don't get jacked up about this, then like, I don't know, maybe you don't like jiu-jitsu watching jiu-jitsu that much, you know. So, but it you know, the fun doesn't stop there. You know, this is a little bit of a what was the Shamwow guy, you know, but wait, there's more because we still have two other title fights on this card. Uh the next one going down the list is the men's lightweight championship where we're going to see Diego Pato going up against DeAndre Corby. Speaker 3: Albino Preta. Speaker 1: The Albino Preta. This is Albino Preto on Albino Preto crime, dude. Keep it in the family. Albino Preto's got to be stoked though, huh? Like either way, we got a champ coming out of this one. But uh Diego Pato, he won the belt against Speaker 3: I hope they wear the same rash guard. Speaker 1: Yeah. Diego Pato won the belt against uh Baby Shark, right? And that kind of uh like he was just attacking Baby Shark's legs, like so many situations where it seemed like Baby Shark was just going to get his knee blown out and then eventually had to uh stop the match due to injury. Baby Shark suffered some sort of injury. Pato got the belt. He became the lightweight or wait, no, lightweight. That was featherweight. Speaker 3: Yeah, that was featherweight. So was it Dante? Speaker 1: It was Dante. He submitted Dante with a with a heel hook. That's right. I can't keep this straight. We got Pato. Speaker 3: He's got too many belts. Speaker 1: Yeah, too many belts. But yeah, so he he beat Dante to take the belt the lightweight championship from Dante, which is obviously insane, you know. Speaker 3: Man, Pato has been a killer, especially on who's number one. He's hunted so many submissions. But it is hard not to be hyped on the Corbe brothers right now, to be honest, you know. It's like after Gavin just went out and beat Owen at the last who's number one. We saw we saw um Gavin have an incredible showing at the East Coast trials. And it's just like the Corby brothers like when you see him kind of mat side and when you when you see him kind of milling around and stuff like that, they just look locked in, kind of more than than ever before. And you know, DeAndre's coming in this with with a bit of confidence as well, having beaten Pato on the Sapatero invitational. Um so it's just yeah, it's hard not to be hyped on the Corbe brothers right now. They're definitely killing it and it would be a huge victory for for DeAndre to come in here and take out the the kind of, you know, one of the pound for pound number one type guys in Diego Pato. Speaker 1: You think DeAndre's going to be out there rolling the shoulders, hitting some moves? Or you think that's more of a Gavin thing? Speaker 3: I think Gavin's got like the hair. He's got a little bit more swag maybe than than DeAndre. So I'm not sure if DeAndre's got the same moves, but I guess we'll we'll see. But it always just looks to me that uh that uh Gavin's a little bit more of the suave one and DeAndre's a little bit more of the like Speaker 2: DeAndre does the samurai sword cut. Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that is slick too. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: We might see a samurai sword slash. I don't know. We'll see. Speaker 1: Yeah, and like uh I don't know how much the audience might have caught this one, but DeAndre and Pato did fight on Sapatero, right? And DeAndre was able to get the win on that. So DeAndre does have a recent win over Pato. Pato's super dangerous. I have a feeling Pato doesn't like losing twice to the same person. So, you know, a little extra motivation there, but that one should be a sick title fight uh in the men's lightweight championship. And then going down again, we have Helena Kravar going up against Julia Boscher for the women's featherweight championship. Helena's on an absolute tear. Obviously, won CGI, kind of wins everything, you know, super dominant, so young, already a who's number one champion. And uh Julia Boscher, haven't seen as much of Julia recently, but obviously it's a huge opportunity for her. It's hard to find girls who are willing to fight Helena at this point. So, the fact that Julia's down, kind of, you know, might mean she knows something or there. What do you guys think about this third title fight against Helena and Julia Boscher? Speaker 3: I think it's awesome, man. I mean, I think it's um, you know, anytime that we get to to see Helena in this rule set is really exciting. We saw her last time against Liz Clay, which was an awesome match. Um and so she just continues to step up, defend the belt, kind of take all comers and I think we can expect a great match from her. Speaker 1: Definitely. Speaker 3: Yeah, just Helena just so good right now. Just just incredible. Just on another level. It seems she's really proved. Um she'll take your back, she'll, you know, break your leg. She's got so many weapons. And so yeah, for sure it'll be an uphill battle for for Julia, but you know, I've been watching Julia for for a long, long time. She's been kind of grinding out in in jiu-jitsu in Brazil for for a while now. She was a incredible purple belt, brown belt competitor for a long time. Obviously, she's a black belt now. So I'm just like really happy for for Julia that she's kind of getting this opportunity to to showcase her jiu-jitsu against the best in the world. And I think for all these people, that's why they do it, right? Is like they want to test themselves against the best. And right now it's like unequivocally, Helena really is the best. So it's a big opportunity for Julia. Um I saw that she was training down uh with Cassia and and and Bruno there in uh in Midland. So, you know, she's getting really good training. Um with Speaker 1: Oh, Julia, you from Midland? Speaker 3: You from Midland? Speaker 1: Oh, you from Midland? Speaker 3: Um so, you know, she's taking it really, really seriously. And I think she knows how big of an opportunity this this is for her and and this would just be a huge huge feather in her cap. Huge win to walk around as the WNO um champion here. But uh she's she's a brawler, you know, she has a good good outside passing. She has she has heavy top pressure, good wrestler. Um, you know, so I think she'll she'll try to kind of implement a lot of those things. She'll have to get past the the incredible guard of of Helena Kravar for 15 minutes. It's a tough task, but uh fun match. Speaker 1: Definitely. What a what a special place Midland, Texas is. Speaker 3: Oh, we love Midland. Speaker 1: I love Midland. I I'm so stoked we got to go to Midland. Speaker 3: I 100% I would go back to Midland. Speaker 1: Midland was awesome. Midland just a magical place where they got a pretty girl hiding behind every pump jack. They got good jiu-jitsu as far as the eye can see out over the oil fields. You don't even got to go to the gas station in Midland. You can pull off the side of the road. You'll just find a bunch of drums of oil just sitting right there. You can just you can just siphon that directly into your tank, dude. Midland, Texas is it's a special, special place. You drive into that downtown. It's called the Tall City for a reason. Cuz at one point in time, those buildings were considered tall, you know. Speaker 3: Was four-story buildings were tall. Speaker 1: Yeah, those were tall, you know. That's a little slice of West Texas history that you don't get in the freaking in your textbooks in in middle school, especially when you're raised in Kansas, you know. They don't tell you about Midland and how special that place is. So, shout out Midland, Texas. I love Midland. Odessa? I don't know, I can't speak for it. You know, I'm a big Permian Panthers fan, but I've never been to Odessa, but I like Midland, that's for sure. So, it's it's cool to hear Julia's out there in Midland getting it done. Getting her hands dirty probably. That's blue collar work out there in Midland. You know, she's out there learning that blue collar jiu-jitsu from uh Bruno Bastos and Cassia. Speaker 3: Yeah, they train and they got a good jump on the on the pump jacks. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you wear your hard hat to training just in case you got to freaking start fracking oil midway through. So, shout out Midland. Speaker 3: You never know. Speaker 1: But I'm going to I'm going to just list off the rest of them excuse me, the rest of the I got choked up thinking about Midland, dude. It's just got such a special place in my heart. I'm going to run through the rest of the main card matches real quick just to put them out there and we can kind of talk about some of the ones that stand out to us. But we got Shanji Habero going up against Ferris Ben Hamkadan. Uh shout out Ferris stepping in late on this one. Jordan teaches jiu-jitsu how to drop out. Now he's taking on Shanji. Crazy match. Gabby Passanya versus Paige Vet Climer. Felipe Costa versus Abe La Montagne, Abraham the Mountain. That kind of rounds out the rest of the main card. Then we got three undercard matches. Jocelyn Molina versus Katie Bochanek. Uh Grayson Henley versus Michael Banich and Nick Fritz versus Sean Magnus. So a lot of bangers from start to finish. Out of those kind of last three, Shanji versus Ferris, Gabby versus Paige, Felipe versus Abe. What what which ones of those are you guys excited for, Slack? You got one that stands out to you? Speaker 3: I think um Gabby versus Paige. That's a really cool one, man. I mean, getting to see Gabby make her who's number one debut was super exciting. Obviously, we always see her at all the IBJJF um tournaments, but it's just like really cool to get to see her on the who's number one stage and um Speaker 1: Making her super fight debut in this one. Speaker 3: Her who's number one debut or what about in Nogi or what about Speaker 1: I believe this is her Nogi super fight debut. Speaker 3: Epic, man. I mean, and like we see her so many times in that tournament setting, but getting to see her in this setting will be really cool. And like I think Paige is the perfect person to go in there as kind of a curveball that it's like this is not somebody that you have faced a hundred times in different tournaments and stuff. Paige is a fresh opponent who's got like a fresh, you know, perspective on taking on such a legendary jiu-jitsu athlete and I think it'll be a great match. Speaker 1: I Speaker 3: One thing I like most about Paige is that she like she really doesn't give an F, you know, to be honest. Like she she just Speaker 1: That's kind of what I mean. She's just coming in here. She's like, nah, I'm doing this. Speaker 3: She wants to throw the kitchen sink at Gabby and see what happens, you know. And I think that that's that's something that's great about her. She doesn't back down from a challenge. She doesn't care who it is and and you know, we've we've had her we've seen her have some tough matches on who's number one in the past where she's just grinding it out. And so I think it will be kind of a a different style for for Gabby to deal with. You know, I know Gabby has done a lot of the IBJJF Nogis and stuff like that. Paige doesn't do that as much. And I think that there's just like a different type of of Nogi athlete um that Paige is that doesn't do the Nogis, the the IBJJFs and stuff like that. But she's a brawler and and she's still going to kind of bring it to to Gabby and I mean, you just can't say enough about Gabby. It really is a a special thing for us to be watching here right now in this moment is is somebody who's who's just like a savant of jiu-jitsu as good as she is. She's just been able to just kind of decimate every girl in in her way and and what she's a Speaker 1: She wants to face Gabby. Speaker 3: 12-time world champion. Speaker 1: I mean, I lost track, dude. Speaker 3: I think she I think she's surpassed Buchecha. Speaker 1: I definitely can't. Speaker 3: Maybe. Speaker 1: At the last one, I think is what I remember. Um or she's on her way to passing Buchecha there. So, you know, just a a dominant athlete, another girl who I watched win purple belt worlds, win brown belt worlds, the whole way. She's out there in uh City of God in Brazil. She's teaching a seminar in Austin here Wednesday night at Paragon at Paragon Jiu-Jitsu. So if you guys are in town, definitely go check that out because it's just like you don't get the opportunity to learn from a wealth of knowledge like Gabby who kind of is secluded a little bit down in Brazil in in City of God doing her own thing. She doesn't come out to to the to the states and do this type of stuff as often. So it's just such a great opportunity to see her do her thing, learn from her a little bit as well if you're at Paragon. But um yeah, obviously the Gabby Gabby's a a favorite here, but we're going to see uh you know, what type of fight that uh that Paige can bring to Gabby. Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like Gabby can go out there and straight ankle lock anyone, to be honest. Like that's just like how it feels. And obviously for good reason, that's kind of what she does do to everyone. She has like, I mean, I don't know if someone had these stats, like it would be interesting to see, but like I feel like as far as champions go, who have a bunch of championships, she probably has like the least amount of mat time by like hours and hours. Like she goes out and wins worlds or wins the crown or any of these events and she does it in like three minutes total. Like just does not need a lot of time to to get submissions and do this. But we've talked about Paige before. And Paige, when you look at this card, when I look at this card and I'm like, man, who would I least want to get into a street fight with? Paige Vet Climer might be number one, dude. I talked about this before. Paige, when I see Paige at an event and I see her coming over to say something to me, I'm like, oh no, dude. Is Paige about to beat me up? Is she about to just stomp me out in the back room of this event right now just cuz she just feels like it? Like Paige is scary. She's so scrappy, she's so aggressive, you know. She does just have like a a careless mentality when it comes to like, like she's not going out there and being like, I got to be really cautious of of Gabby's straight ankle lock. She's like, nah, I'm going to go out there and freaking heavy collar ties, put my head in the middle of her chest, try to run a double, just like make it make it a dirty, dirty fight, you know. Speaker 3: And if they go the distance, she's the type of person who at the end is going to have a big smile on her face. That type of attitude is like that that's that's definitely in the works for a really awesome match. Speaker 1: Yeah, we might do a fix my game with Paige Vet Climer and it's just like the whole thing is just how to, you know, protect yourself from getting stomped out and a freaking getting curb stomped like I'm terrified of Paige Vet. I'll just say it, you know. But so I think that's the dynamic that she brings to this that could really like shake it up and make it uh like a scrappy match that maybe Gabby isn't isn't used to. Um and she's also Paige Vet is she's big too, you know. It's like not always you can find a girl as big as Gabby. You know, she's kind of went back and forth with Tiani recently, got a couple wins back over Tiani after losing to to her at Brazileros. And obviously Tiani is a force to be reckoned with, but Gabby kind of solved a little bit. But I think, you know, Paige brings a new dynamic to this. But another big one I want to talk about is Felipe Costa and Abe. Abe the Mountain. I think Abe's been kind of going under the radar for a while. He's in the King's Way stable and he's Speaker 3: But his his influence is all over all over jiu-jitsu. Speaker 1: True. Reverse closed guard, the A block. He kind of revolutionized. Speaker 3: Yeah, he even even at ADCC East Coast trials, I forget who it was, but somebody they they got into I think it was maybe uh Mo and and Taylor got into like a reverse closed guard situation. Speaker 1: Yeah, shouting A block. Speaker 3: Yeah, and people were just shouting, yo, go for the A block, go for the A block. And I was like, oh, these guys are hip. Speaker 1: For sure. And the A block is like, it's a sneaky little thing and obviously like people are hip to reverse closed guard now. People know about it. But it's still one of those weird things where if you don't like train actively with someone who does a lot of reverse closed guard, then it like kind of can come on in a way where you don't you don't expect it always. So it's like, I don't know how much Felipe Costa is going to be like prepared to defend a reverse closed guard entry and like maybe Abe can catch him sleeping there a little bit. But obviously Felipe Costa incredibly good grappler. ADCC medalist, you know. So he's kind of he's super young too, but now he does have quite a resume he's building early on in his career and everything. So, yeah, I think this is a tough one. I think this one could go either way, you know, but I'm excited to see it. What do you guys think about this one? Anything else? Speaker 3: Abe Felipe, I mean, Felipe's just been on a tear recently as well. So, um, you know, Felipe's kind of his stock is is rising really well. He's it feels like he's kind of really established himself among the the elite in in jiu-jitsu. Abe not so much. So it's it feels like this is a big could be a big coming out party for Abe. But uh Felipe's looked great on on uh on who's number one's lately and um yeah, so I I don't really know how how this match is going to go, to be honest. Abe's got some tricks and it'd be fun to see if he can uh implement those tricks on Felipe. Speaker 1: Definitely. And then kind of like the last match on the main card, Shanji Habero versus Ferris. Uh obviously Speaker 3: Ferris number two guy you wouldn't want to get into a street fight with on the card. Speaker 1: Oh, no. I would love to get in a fist fight with Ferris. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: Cuz you know, see Ferris Ferris is uh Ferris big time troll. All right. Trolls are who you want to fight. Trolls care more about making stuff funny and like getting getting one over when it comes to the bits than just straight up beating somebody up. Cuz like listen, I wouldn't want to fight myself in a street fight either. I've been fighting myself. Speaker 3: You're a big guy though. Speaker 1: I've been fighting myself for years, dude. And I'm still yet to whoop my own ass. So, so I I know I'm tough. I mean, I've been trying to get one over on on Big Trey himself and dude, it's tough. I lose every single time. No one asked me if I could submit myself. The answer is no, cuz I would be too busy submitting myself. You know what I'm saying? So, I think Ferris is a little more in line with that where I could see Ferris getting into a street fight and like Ferris would hit somebody with like a clean foot sweep and then just start clowning them, you know. He wouldn't just like Paige Vet would just she would be like, all right, foot sweep, curb stomp, you're freaking welcome to the hospital, buddy. Welcome to Thunderdome. We're only one person leaves and it's me. That's Paige. Ferris would like, you know, he would laugh he would laugh his way through beating you up, which is a little bit less punishing of a beat up than uh but also I think I could have some good lines too where maybe I could win Ferris over and maybe like midway getting beat up by Ferris, I'd get him on my side and then maybe we could like beat somebody else up. Speaker 3: And you guys are friends. Speaker 1: We're kind of boys, you know. It's like, it's like, actually, dude, what are we doing here, man? Let's go pick on somebody who's not our own size, you know what I mean? So, Ferris isn't on that list. And also, me and Ferris are boys. We wouldn't fight each other. Why are you trying to drive a stake between us? Speaker 3: I'm just saying, that's not what Ferris told me. Speaker 1: Oh, jeez, this guy. Reed is still so salty. Speaker 3: I heard Ferris was talking a lot of shit and was like, you know, if I ever see Trey, I'm going to stop his ass. Speaker 1: Oh, I ruined the day. Speaker 3: That's what I heard. Speaker 1: I ruined the day, dude. You you better hope me and Ferris don't catch you behind the scenes at who's number one. Speaker 3: Yo, Saints brothers. Look which one? Speaker 1: Yeah. Call that guy out. Speaker 3: I need some Saints brothers help here. Speaker 1: They keep calling me Mr. Glazer. My girlfriend was like, who are these Saints guys? Why do they keep posting pictures of you calling you Mr. Glazer? So I said, I might send my girlfriend after you, Michael, if you keep this up. But uh but yeah, no, Ferris isn't on top of the list. I would say, who else would I not want to get beat up by? Diego Pato would probably break my legs so fast. I wouldn't have a chance to win him over with with quick wit and humor. Uh but this this fight Shanji Ferris, uh obviously Ferris stepped in late for this one. Shanji, one of the greatest of all time, an incredible grappler. I think it's a tall order for Ferris, but I do think, yeah, Shanji, um had an insane career and now it's like, I don't know, how much how much is he still like hungry? How much does he want this? Ferris is like, he's now a Nogi World champion, but he still has so much to prove in like all of jiu-jitsu that it's a big opportunity for him. I know just talking to both these guys, you know, they're kind of they're they are super they like they want this win on who's number one. Shanji obviously lost in his last who's number one match. So you know this dude doesn't want to come back have to take a second loss on who's number one, especially in front of a Austin crowd that's going to be heavily behind Shanji. No one kind of brings a crowd like Shanji in Austin. They're going to be going nuts for him. But also Ferris is like, you know, he thinks this is a good match for him. He sees something that, you know, maybe everyone else doesn't see. He seems some hole where he thinks he can capitalize. So, Ferris is game for it. I think this will be a fun one to watch. This is I would say like Felipe and Abe and then Shanji and Ferris, I'm definitely like a little more of a question mark where I'm like, I don't really know how this is going to play out. Like, so I'm excited to see both of those. Speaker 3: Yeah, excited for the Shanji's walkout, to be honest. That was one of the most electric things at the last who's number one. But I agree that, you know, Ferris is tough. I'm not sure he's on as many people's radar in things. Uh obviously he's out there in uh in in the European scene holding it down. But um I think, you know, Ferris has has a good shot here, especially, you know, against Shanji in his hometown here. There's going to be a lot of pressure. I don't know. Um just a lot of question marks on this one, but uh I think Ferris is a great replacement here and and has a good shot to make a really fun, exciting match. He has a great fun, exciting style, stand-up style. You know, he's going to be kind of hunting the takedown for against Shanji. Um we saw Shanji kind of get taken down by Kit. So, we'll we'll see what happens there, but um you know, a fun match. Shanji's a killer. Speaker 1: Yeah. Can't underestimate Shanji. You know, he's beaten the best in the world. So. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Me and Ferris are going to pants you when we see you at the event, dude. We're going to We're going to hit you with old school middle school tactics. We're going to pants you, dude. Speaker 3: I wear a belt, brother. Speaker 1: We're going to have a street fight. We're going to have a street fight. We're going to have a street fight. Okay. Well, I'm already texting Paige and getting her on my side. So, I'm winning the the fight before the fight. A lot of people don't know this, but if you want to start winning rounds in your gym, you got to win the round before the round even starts, you know. Set up your excuses early, set up your alliances early. The the six-minute roll you do in the gym, that's the least important part of winning the round. All right. It's the pre and post parts of the round that you got to dominate if you want to maintain gym hero status. So, Speaker 3: And you definitely got to get ahead of the curve. You know, like tape up something and then tell the other person, I'm kind of dealing with a thing and then just full blast. Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of different tactics you can use. Speaker 3: Everybody loves that guy. Speaker 1: I got a full instructional dropping soon on BJJ Fanatics about how to win the round before and after the round to maintain gym hero status. But uh and that's you can go home on a Monday night and feel great about yourself. You're dinner by yourself. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: What's your go what's your go-to after the round is over? After the round is over, you just got to like compliment them like but in a little bit of like a uh like a know-it-all way, you know. It's like, oh man, you dude, I noticed you really been working that that pass. It's like, you've been getting better at that, man. Even if they just Speaker 3: Here's a little detail that I think you could Speaker 1: Even if they passed you clean, dude, just be like, oh, dude, nice, man. You're starting to put that together real well. Cuz then that takes the power back on your side where you're like the guy validating it for them. Even though they just dog walked you. But you just kind of like, you know, take that over. And then a big one too is as soon as you get home, whatever loved ones you have close to you. I hope everyone at home has some loved ones that they can confide in about their rolls and whatnot. You got to just talk about how you're the man. How you just how you just absolutely smashed everyone. Speaker 3: Nobody had nobody had anything for you today. Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's not that's not for your training partners. That's not for your coach. That's for you and for your like your loved one's perception of you. That's important that you maintain that cuz that's going to give you the confidence you need to come back and get whooped again in that six minutes, but to still win the pre and the post. Speaker 3: When they say like, hey, how how was how was your jiu-jitsu? How'd you do? Speaker 1: They didn't have nothing for me. Hey, hey, babe. Hey, hey, babe. They didn't have nothing for me today. Just a and then they'll probably if you've been working this for a long time and doing it like you should, they'll probably respond with something like, oh, you're the man, baby. These guys you're always just like always. Yeah, you're you're always smashing these guys. You should have you thought about going pro? You know, stuff like that. Speaker 3: I feel bad for those guys. Speaker 1: Have you thought about going to a different gym? Yeah. Well, I would, but smashed all of them too. Smashed them all. So, that's a that's a big part of it. But full instructional dropping soon. But you guys want to should we draft on this? Should we do a little draft? We know who wins those, but I guess you guys can participate if you want. All right, babe. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: I feel like I for sure won one of these drafts in here and you're just like forgetting. But Speaker 3: I feel like I for sure won. Speaker 1: Important part of the post part of any competition is just maintaining storylines and narratives that are beneficial to you and just, you know, saying those all the time until people forget what actually happened. So, we're kind of caught up in the middle of my instructional right now. You guys might not know it, but two-time champ, undefeated on these competitions. I got the belt right here. Look at this thing. Look how shiny that is. Catch the light on it just right. We're going to be doing a sub hunters draft for this who's number one. All right. Sub hunters draft. In this one, if you guys remember, is where we each draft, there's nine matches, three of us. So we're going to draft three matches each that we believe are going to end in submission. The scoring is as follows. It's five points if they get a submission within either athlete gets a submission within the first judge's favor, three points if they get one in the second judge's favor, and then one point if it's within the last judge's favor. So that'll be like first five minutes, under 10, under 15 minutes. Zero points if there's no submission. Either person in the match can get this submission to get the points. How do you guys want to how do you guys want to divide up this draft? Speaker 3: I'll go first, I guess. Speaker 1: You just want first pick? Speaker 3: You just want first pick. Speaker 1: Let's do let's do a like a Let's do a rock paper scissors. Odd man out gets gets first pick. Speaker 3: Shoot, bro. Speaker 2: How do you do with three person rock paper scissors? Speaker 1: The so it's like if me and you are both rock and Reed's paper or scissors, I guess he wins. I don't know. Whoever's the non same. Yeah, ready? Ready? We're doing rock paper scissors shoot. Ready? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. So, I get first pick. Speaker 2: I got both scissors. Speaker 3: So now it's me and Slack. Yeah. Speaker 1: Oh, second pick. You want second or Speaker 3: I wanted last pick anyway. Speaker 2: I'll take second pick. Speaker 1: All right. All right, let's see here. First pick, I am going Helena Kravar versus Julia Boscher. I'm taking that one off the rip. Title match, more on the line. A lot of people hunting subs. I mean, this is I'm the most dominant champion in Flow Grappling show history, dude. Maybe get your notebook out. Speaker 3: Rookie pick. Speaker 1: I mean, this is I'm the most dominant champion in Flow Grappling show history, dude. Maybe get your notebook out. Speaker 3: Beginner's luck, I think. So. Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, you think I went the obvious one? I don't know. Okay. All right, so I got Helena versus Julia Boscher. Slack, what are you going with? Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: Um, I'm going to go with uh, ooh. Uh, I'm going to go with Gabby versus Paige. Speaker 1: Okay, two scrappers. You think they get it done, huh? Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: We're picking the whole card? Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Whole card. Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to go with uh, it's ended in in submission two times before to end in submission the third time. I'll go Felipe Luke. Good pick. Speaker 1: Good pick. Speaker 3: Then for my second pick, uh, no, I'm just kidding. Speaker 1: No, you get a second. You do a second pick. Snake snake format. Speaker 3: I do a second pick. Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Um, and then so my second pick will be Jocelyn Molina versus Katie Bochanek. Speaker 3: Okay, cool. Speaker 1: That's a good pick. I was hoping they snagged that one. Speaker 2: Um, I'm going to go I'll take uh the Grayson versus sorry, I can't see the name. Speaker 1: Grayson Henley versus Michael Banich. Speaker 2: Versus Michael, yeah. Speaker 1: Okay. All right, that leaves me with some great options, some sleepers that you guys have slept on. I'm going to go Ooh. I feel like undercards often times do end in more submissions. Speaker 2: Especially local. Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to go I'm taking the other the championship. I just want I just want belts, dude. I'm addicted to gold. I'm going Diego Pato versus DeAndre Corby. Speaker 3: And that'll be your downfall. Speaker 1: Hey, Pato and DeAndre. You hear this guy, man? Speaker 3: Let's see. Speaker 1: Reed doesn't think you boys can get subs. That's messed up. You might you might have to show him. Speaker 3: I think I think they're two very high-level grapplers. Speaker 1: Yeah. Ooh. Ooh, that's all I have to say to that. Uh all right, and then my final one, I'm going Felipe Costa versus Abe the Mountain. So, those are my three. I got Helena versus Julia Boscher, Diego Pato versus DeAndre Corby, and then I got Felipe Costa versus Abe the Mountain. Speaker 2: I'm going to take uh Nick Fritz versus Sean. Speaker 1: All right, Nick Fritz versus Sean. Getting that last undercard. Speaker 3: Legend, Paragon rep. Yeah. Taking on the 10th Planet rep. All right, and so I'll take Shanji versus Ferris. Yeah, that's the one I wanted anyway. Perfect. Speaker 1: All right. Here we go. Speaker 3: So I got Shanji versus Ferris. I got Jocelyn versus Katie and I got uh Luke versus Felipe. Three bangers. Speaker 1: That is those are good. What do you got? Speaker 2: What did I get? I got Gabby versus Paige, uh Nick versus Sean and Grayson versus Michael. Speaker 1: There we go. So tune in next week whenever we figure out who won this draft. But if you guys don't want to tune in, just assume I won. Cuz that'll probably be how it plays out. And we got this belt on the line now. So freaking this is big time. You want to touch it? Get it. Oh, he jinxed himself. He jinxed himself. It's like the Stanley Cup, dude. You shouldn't be touching on that. But all of this, who's number one 31 goes down Friday, December 5th here in Austin, Texas, a little north in Round Rock at the Kalahari. If you're watching and you're in the area, buy your tickets now. Tickets still available, so get your tickets. And if not, then tune in on Flowgrappling.com so you don't miss it. Like we said, three title fights, nine matches total, six on the main card, three on the undercard. We got Felipe Pena, Luke Griffith, number one and number two in the world competing for the heavyweight belt. So it doesn't get more electric than that. But now you guys want to talk a little bit about Asian trials? We'll take a look at who all's entered for ADCC Asian trials. Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ADCC season and uh we got uh you know, we just had the East Coast trials, had the European trials before that, but the uh the trials kind of process here keeps rolling on. We got the Asian, Oceana trials going on this weekend. Speaker 1: Where's this one going down at? Do you know? Speaker 3: I don't know off the top of my head. I forget where it's going down. Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure either. But yeah, this one's going down Saturday, December 6th at 10:00 p.m. Eastern time. So if you guys want to watch from wherever you are in the world, that's the time. Let's go ahead and scroll down to the minus 77 kg division because this one has an interesting entrant that I kind of want to talk about first. In 77 kilos, we got Kenta and Isaac both registered. Isaac obviously we've seen at 88 at ADCC, but he's dropping down to 77 for this one. I think that's pretty interesting. I also think a potential Kenta versus Isaac match, two dudes who are kind of favored to to go deep into this bracket, both uh former trials champions. I think that could be an insane final if it hits, but what do you guys think uh some of these registrants? Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if he's beefing up a little bit. If he's Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if he's beefing up a little bit. If he's Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how much Isaac and Kenta have trained together. You know, they they used to kind of train under that same B team banner for for a minute for a minute there. So I wonder how much they've trained together. But uh Isaac's won this tournament in the past. Kenta has as well. Yeah, Kenta has as well. So so two guys who have won this tournament in in the past. So that'll definitely be one of the matches to watch uh over the weekend here. Anytime you can see two super high-level dudes compete and we haven't seen a whole lot of Isaac. I'm not sure when the last time we saw Isaac was it Speaker 1: Maybe against Pedro? Speaker 3: Against Pedro? That's seen like such a long time ago. Speaker 1: Was was uh I mean ADCC was probably after that, wasn't it? Speaker 3: Potentially. Yeah. Speaker 2: It wasn't the BJJ Stars in that Grand Prix. Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was at BJJ Stars in the Grand Prix. Yeah, good point, good point. Yeah, he had a good performance there. He had a good match. Um but uh so yeah, Isaac versus Kenta, that's the one. We maybe scroll back up to 66 for us there. Amanda. Um okay, we got some or done to the the names. Yep, okay, we got some uh some dark horses in this division. We're going to come out with uh with somebody who who maybe has never uh competed at ADCC before here. So that's always exciting. Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a good performance there. He had a good match. Speaker 1: Baby Dave. Tomafuso Kotaro, sick name. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, bunch of sick names in here for sure. Speaker 1: Okay, and then and then let's take a look at 88. 88 the big name uh is obviously Joseph Chen. Joseph Chen's registered at 88 kilos. So, I think that's a big one. Speaker 3: Joseph Chen is must watch TV. This guy might be the most interesting guy in jiu-jitsu, I feel like. And and that's like not even because of his jiu-jitsu, to be honest. They they're just Speaker 1: Interesting cat. Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just an interesting guy. He doesn't do a whole lot of of, you know, he's big on social media and whatnot, but I just don't feel like I see enough of Joseph Chen, to be honest. I want to see more of this guy. Um and just has some of the slickest jiu-jitsu out there, you know. Everybody is learning from Joseph Chen, whether you even know it or not. You are learning Joseph Chen techniques in class this week. Like 1000% like the the the wealth of knowledge that Joseph Chen has that is kind of permeated throughout all of jiu-jitsu is just incredible. And we were spending some time with Owen Jones uh last month and um Speaker 1: He talks super highly about Joseph. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the way and even Declan is as well. We were spending some time with Declan and Dec the way Declan talks about Joseph, you know, it just makes me want to train with him and and and and see what he's got going on cuz it really feels like um he's bringing something really new to the table. So, um, you know, if if Joseph Chen's out there on the on the mats, I'll be watching for sure. So excited to see him. Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty wild. He went 88, Kenta and Isaac went 77, right? Speaker 3: I wonder if he's beefing up a little bit. If he's Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Speaker 3: He's going up, right? And he won at 77 last year. Speaker 1: Did win at 77. So, I mean, I obviously I think Joseph and Kenta are friends. So I don't know if there's an aspect there where Joseph decided he would go up and like Kenta go into 77. But that's a wild little flip right there. Like Isaac is not really a guy that I would have predicted could make 77 and Joseph isn't a guy that I would have predicted would want to bump up to 88. So it's kind of a little weird there, but you know, hopefully it plays out for them in a way that they hope. Um excited to see it. Definitely makes it where we're going to see some different matches, some different things go down. So that's pretty cool. One of the things I like most about Joseph Chen isn't even his jiu-jitsu. Joseph Chen does these bag reviews. This dude's huge on bags. He loves bags. I feel like you probably like bags quite a bit. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 3: A man after my own heart. I got to go check out the bag reviews. Speaker 1: Oh yeah, check out Joseph Chen's YouTube channel. He'll he'll do these full in-depth. It'll be like a 40-minute video where he's breaking down a bag. And he has this wall of bags in his like, I think it's his apartment in like Shanghai maybe or something. And he goes full in-depth, every feature, every little functional aspect of it. Speaker 3: I love bag reviews. Speaker 1: I love bag reviews. Every feature, every little functional aspect of it. And he has a different channel name for that? Speaker 3: Does he have a different channel name for that? Speaker 1: Uh it's just on his channel, yeah. So, it's mainly a bag review channel. Every now and then. Yeah, he should build a different channel for jiu-jitsu cuz every now and then. But yeah, his bag reviews are awesome. I think he Owen was telling us how like he's gifted Owen bags and stuff cuz he's like he'll Joseph will see Owen's bag and be like, this is a horrible bag, dude. You cannot be walking around with this bag. And so he'll give him a a better, more optimized bag. So, I love the Joseph Chen bag reviews. I'm trying to get him to do a thing where people send in their bags and he reviews their bags and tells them why or why not it's uh shouldn't be the bag they use. But then going to minus 99, this one has a few bigger names that I think could all make runs. This one has Daniel Schwart, Bob Frias, Nico Mclichik, Sebastian Natard, Anton Meninco. I think Sebastian Natard, we haven't seen in a while. He's back now. He was banned from IBJJF for a while for flipping off Pavel Javorski on the podium. But he also broke his leg. He just straight up broke his leg. When he was training with Taza uh leading up to who's number one. But he's back competing. Sebastian Natard is super fun to watch, to be honest. Uh super aggressive dude, just goes crazy. But I think Nico Mclichik is also amazing. Daniel Schwart, amazing. So Bob Frias, obviously amazing. So I think this division could be one of the best when it comes down to like a bunch of different names that could all kind of make their way through this bracket. Speaker 3: Yeah, he should build a different channel for jiu-jitsu. Speaker 1: And then I think I think Daniel won won this uh tournament last last time. But uh Nico being in there is is a fun, you know, kind of uh mix up, especially down at under 99. I feel like he's usually one of the biggest bigger boys out there, but uh he's going down under 99 and so, you know, obviously he's an Atos guy, big in the ghee. I haven't seen too much of him Nogi. Uh maybe you guys have seen more of him Nogi, but Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Not a ton. But uh so that's a really interesting name that's going to be mixing it up in there. Nico, you know, one of the best in the world for sure. We just kind of haven't haven't seen seen him uh a whole lot. He had he had a match against uh Adam Wardzinski at the uh World Championships last. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, he dropped to heavyweight for that World Championship. So it's like it is clear that he's trying to go down weights, you know. So, um, yeah, definitely it'll be exciting to see what he looks like, how he does going into this minus 99 kg division. And then the plus 99, we got just a couple names kind of stood out. Tito John Carl and Mansour Makmakov. I think Mansour, uh he won this trials last year. So, or at least one of them. He won one of the Asian trials. So, definitely there. And then the female divisions, they're not too crazy, not an insane amount of names in the female divisions. You guys know why it's the first trials. Females don't qualify in the first trials. So obviously there will be more entrance in the second trials. But that's a little preview of what's coming this weekend at the ADCC Asian trials. ADCC season in full swing, you know. We're getting new names uh every couple months now punching their ticket to ADCC. 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