BJJ Fanatics 668: Shawn Williams

Speaker 1: Welcome back to the BJJ Fanatics Podcast. I'm your host Ryan Ford. My guest today is a fifth-degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He's also the fifth American to receive a black belt directly from Master Henzo Gracie. He's the creator of the Williams Guard, and he's also the co-founder of Carbine Industries, a successful Gi and Nogi brand. You may recognize his voice as he's one of the most respected Jiu-Jitsu commentators in the game. He's also a long-time professor and academy owner, and he's a highly respected instructor teaching out of his own academy, Henzo Gracie Nashville, in Nashville, Tennessee. Ladies and gentlemen, it's my honor to be joined for the sixth time on the podcast by my good friend, Sean Williams. How are you today, Sean? Speaker 2: I'm great, man. Thanks for having me on the show. Always appreciate it, buddy. Speaker 1: No, it's always a great time talking with you, man. This is the sixth appearance you've made. You're you're one of the upper echelon returning guests, and I appreciate you uh appreciate you being on here again. It's it's been about a year since you and I spoke last, maybe a little over a year. So, catch us up. What what have you been up to in the last uh year and a half or so? Speaker 2: Oh, man, a lot. Yeah, a lot, Ryan. Uh, we got the second school open, which is now um uh essentially like the flagship school. So, um uh like I'm sitting in the closet. Not not really, I'm sitting in my office, but like there's nothing here. I'm still like getting uh organized and situated. Um, but uh it's been tons and tons and tons of work. Um, but now it's it's going and uh it's it's a very nice facility and uh a lot of a lot of things um are opening up for me now because I I'll I'll now uh the major goal was to get this thing open and then then then shift, um, make a huge shift of my focus and back into the coaching and the training and and teaching um that I I used to do. Then you run a school, right? You get you run a school and then it's kind of you you do both things and then um now I'm finally able to just to really make a complete shift back to essentially like 100% coaching, training, teaching, um, and and and and getting back into like, I don't know, developing more Jiu-Jitsu, I guess. That's for me the best way to do it is to do it. It's not just to like, it's just actual do it. So, so that's that's started. So I'm I'm excited. Yeah. A lot more stuff coming down the pipeline now. Speaker 1: That's incredible, man. Huge congratulations. That's obviously the dream is not only to have your own school, but to be able to expand in that way and spread Jiu-Jitsu and uh grow a team and watch watch both your employees and your athletes grow as people and and and athletes. So, that's uh really, really exciting. Congratulations. Um, you know, it's funny you were talking about getting back into the rhythm of coaching again. And the last time you were on the show, we talked a lot about coaching, but we were talking mostly about coaching from the perspective and develop of developing students within the training room. Uh, and and it's funny because as we ran out of time in our last conversation, we we went for like an hour and a half and both you and I were saying off air like, damn, it's too bad we couldn't keep diving into more coaching because there's so much more to talk about. So, man, today I'd really like to continue on the theme of coaching. Uh, we'll call this episode uh 2.0 for for Sean's coaching uh Sean's coaching episode. Specifically though, I wanted to focus on coaching uh in for competitive athletes because like I said, last time it was mostly about just kind of coaching general students in the room. In your opinion, what are some of the primary ingredients that any good coach should have to guide an athlete through a tournament setting? Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a huge that's a great question. And um, I think that widely ranges uh from style of coach. But um, if you said in general, um, there's there's obviously passion, a passion element. Like if you don't have passion for people and their success, then you're probably not going to be the best coach in the world. Um, and then uh not only passion for the person, but you have to know your athlete. Um, you know, you've you've got to put the hours in with your athlete and understand them as a human, understand uh what they do and and um how how they compete. Uh, and then, you know, it's obvious that you really should be uh have a large depth of knowledge in in the technical aspects of what you're uh coaching and um some of the psychological aspects of of coaching. Is coaching is a pretty wide um has a wide range of of I guess you could call them skill sets, assets, like that each person uh could or may or may not have. And um, if you can have them all, uh then I think that that really defines you as a coach and it will help your athletes succeed. Speaker 1: That's yeah, absolutely. Sean, there's a phenomenon that happens a lot in Jiu-Jitsu, and maybe it's not just in Jiu-Jitsu, but it's especially noticeable in Jiu-Jitsu, where you'll you'll see really high-level accomplished athletes who are phenomenal uh as as competitors. Then end their career, open a school, and for some reason they're just not the best coaches. And and there's a lot of people that say like, man, I assumed I was going to go to this guy's seminar and just walk out of there with this heavy brain full of knowledge, but it was just kind of a blah seminar and the guy just doesn't coach that well. What do you think? Do you do you think that there is some kind of weird uh some weird dynamic there between someone being able to compete really well versus being able to coach really well? Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. Um, being a competitor is is specific to competing. Uh to be the world's best competitor or world champion, you've got to be the best at that that particular skill set, rule set, um, and be able to perform on any given day that competition happens. Whereas a coach or even sort of more, I guess more, you know, Jiu-Jitsu is a is a funny thing because we don't only coach, we teach, which is um often times can be divided into two different realms, especially when a sport has a lot of money. Um, which uh Jiu-Jitsu does not. But uh it has its fair share, but it's not like NFL, you know, where NFL has um specific, I would say, teachers, even though they might call them coaches, like they're teaching uh very specific skill sets to the different athlete. Um, and they may or may not be their coach on the day the game day. They might be this the head coach is the the day uh is on game day. In Jiu-Jitsu, we kind of have a marriage of both, right? Um, it's hard to have like six different coaches uh you know, a teacher, a coach, that's hard to do, um, just because there's there's just not millions of dollars on the line and they they can't afford athletes typically can't afford that many people. Um, so we we marry the two a little bit. And that's that's what I was meaning with the coaching for Jiu-Jitsu. There's there's different elements that can play uh well or not well into that realm of being the coach. Um, teaching is its own art and own thing. Like it's it's it's its own thing. And um, a competitor uh may not be able to teach very well. They may not really understand what they're doing, especially if they're just uh robotic in nature, athletic. They may have this stuff drilled into a science. It may be automatic of what they do. Um, and that may uh lead to really like, oh, I don't really know why I do these things. I just do them. I mean, you can I I've heard this from like the highest level people like, why do you do that? Uh, not really sure. But like they do it. They do it and they do it very well. So, um, uh that's different. That that takes a long time to uh learn how to do things and learn how to do them to the most efficient way possible and then be able to do that talk about that over and over and over. Um, this is literally why teaching, I believe is the highest level of learning. Like the high the the best athlete in the world, if they if they took some time off and and taught, um, and they came back with the same skills as a competitor, I would believe that they would be much better actually. They they would be much more committed to what they were doing. They would understand the ins and outs of what they were doing. Um, it would just make them better overall, uh as far as knowledge and purpose and the wise. Um, but but yeah, those are two completely separate realms really. Um, especially now, like competing is competing, teaching is teaching, and coaching, I would imagine, you know, I think the best coaches should have somewhat of all of that really, because there's only usually just one coach on the sidelines. So, Yeah. Yeah, what you said there really I I think is really true. Like, first of all, an athlete, especially someone that's competing at a professional level or a full-time level, you do have to inherently be very selfish. You have to focus very much on you and yourself, your game. And and you're right, to the point where sometimes maybe you you you train so much and you work so hard that you don't necessarily know why you do things, you just do. Um, and and I I also agree that by teaching someone else, it forces you into a position where you have to explain and verbalize what you're doing and why, which opens your own brain like, oh yeah, that is I guess why I'm doing that. And now rather than just being an automatic thing you do, it's something you're mindfully uh noticing in your game and you can pass on and even improve upon. So, um, what what do you what would you say are are some of the biggest mistakes that coaches make uh by and large, like especially if especially when when working with with professional athletes? Speaker 1: Um, uh, it I I think this is very varied. Um, I I tend to hear uh cheerleading rather than coaching, right? So, um, I think that's probably one of the bigger mistakes. Um, when when you're coaching in general an athlete, you're a guide, right? You're definitely a guide. At the point that they're world-class, you're you're a guide. You're you're out on the outside, uh you get you can see things that the athlete might not see. You're you're there to guide them to what they what's available. What they choose is maybe up to them, but like you're guiding them to what you believe is the best option for them at that particular time. And um, and you do it so you do so technically and you don't overcoach, right? So, um, cheerleading has its place and I and I don't mean that uh disrespectful of cheerleaders, like, but like, yeah, you got this. Like, yo, you're the best. Good options. That's good choices. Like, he's I would love, you know, coach of the year, right? You get these like, so, um, and that that's just it has its place. It has its place to fire people up and get them excited. That is for sure. Uh, but, um, if that's all that you when you if you're coaching an athlete and you find yourself like, oh, yeah, that's that's kind of all I do or watch out for the triangle or he wants to take you down or don't accept this. Like, there's room for some of those things for sure, especially if your athlete needs it. Um, but for the most largely, uh small bits of technical advice as a guide, in my opinion, is a lot better and will help your athlete a lot more. Yeah. So I I think yeah, the biggest mistake is to get caught up in the in the in the in the emotion of the match. Like coaches shouldn't be emotional whatsoever. Um, athletes should very rarely be emotional till after till after the match. But like coaches, um, shouldn't be emotional. And because you you're not really going to think clearly if you're emotional. Coaches should be very clear on what the the goal is, the techniques, and they should try to keep their emotions at bay until it's over. That's it. Yeah. Very well said. Yeah, I think the the the selecting the right information to feed someone's important. And the overcoaching and and cheerleading can be a problem. It kind of reminds me of I don't know if you watch Family Guy, but there was a there was a bit on Family Guy where Peter's coaching a boxer. He's like, yeah, punch him punch him more than he hits you. You got to hit him more hit him more than he hits you. Then they the bell rings, they come to the corner, he goes, you know what I'm going to say, right? And the guy says, yeah, I got to hit him more than he hits me. He says, yeah, you got to hit him more than he hits you. So, but it's so true. I mean, there's there's universal truths in that. But but like, yeah, that's uh sayer of the obvious, you know. Right, exactly. Yeah. And there is a lot of that. Like you said, like he's going to try to take you down. It's like, well, yeah, of course, we're starting on our feet. Of course he is, you know. Yeah. When you're when you're coaching an athlete, what what what kind of language do you typically like to rely on to to unlock their best performance? Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all athlete dependent. As as I said, like it depends on on the nature of your athlete, but in general, um, technical advice on even the side. So, you know, I I I might say your right side, your left side, your these things are important. So they don't really need to think a lot. If I'm if I'm telling them to get wrist control on their left side, they they know that this is the side that they're going to work on. Um, there there are things like, you know, uh obviously definitions of underhooking and scooping to define upper body versus lower body. But but um, I often give them direction and on what side I want them to do it depending on what's going on at the particular time. Um, so just small small technical, precise, and you need to stay ahead of of of the the match so that you can uh give them their options prior because if you give them at the right at the moment that it's happening, then then you're probably too late, right? So, um, uh so so that's typically what I believe in is is are those like technical nuances on the side, very specific in nature, and then some reinforcement if that athlete needs it. Great job. Great job. Speaker 1: Well, you know, another thing that's that's tough and like you said, a lot of this comes down to to an athlete per athlete basis. But um, one thing that I I assume is is can be challenging for some coaches, especially if you have a lot of students and a lot of and a lot of athletes that you're coaching, is knowing your individual student's game. Uh is is that something is that something that you find to be really important as well? Like do you need to really know what this particular athlete's specialties are or do you generally have a a one-size-fits-all when it comes to guiding someone through a through a match in general? Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it's best to know your athlete. Um, that way you know what they're capable of and what they like to do in those all of those different scenarios. Obviously, you you there's going to be some some general games that, you know, my my students may have general gamesmanship that looks very similar in certain situations. But they're they all they all have their own personalities. They all have their own things that they like to do. Um, and I certainly wouldn't want to put a damper on any of that because I feel like that's why people do what they do. They they want to express themselves. So, um, to know the athlete, to know what they like, and then be able to coach them, hey, here's here is the time on your left side. This is where I want you to this is where you can do what whatever it might be that that athlete specializes in or enjoys doing. And then again, more advice after if it if it works, if it doesn't work, if it fails, if it if it's working or if there's follow-ups, giving them what they need at that moment or slightly before that moment, and then some some praise if needed. Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Let me ask you this, are are you a coach that does a lot of um like pre-game uh planning? Like when you're helping an athlete prepare for a big tournament, like what do you do you have a a game planning process? And if so, what's that look like? Speaker 2: This is an interesting thing, Ryan. Um, this goes about this goes in about where is the athlete in their progressive phase, right? So if we're talking about world-class athletes, they're already past the skill acquisition phase. They're they are past all of the difficulties and the real time-consuming stuff that is necessary without any game planning whatsoever. Um, I'm not a uh a real big believer in game planning at lower levels when skill acquisition is still really high. Um, because I want the over I want the athlete to be an over overall, I want the skills to his or her skills to be high, no matter who they're fighting or what they're doing at the moment. As they as a person starts getting to that world-class level and the and the skills start plateauing, um, then yes. Then I believe that's when strategy and tactics come into play. It's the top level of that athletic pyramid. Um, I've I feel like that's when that that starts to happen and that starts to come into play. And then, of course, when you when you're dealing with competitors that have competed with the same people over and over and over, um, depending on if it's a tournament or a single match, um, then you can refine it even even more. Like this is what this is what our game plan is. This is how we will win. Uh because that's where tactics and strategy uh come into play. Um, and that then you can start to look at that at an individual basis. Yeah. And that's fun. Then then you get to study. You're really studying like, you know, you you that's the fun part, right? Of of the human chess element where, you know, you're studying your opponent, uh all of their footage, you're looking for their habits, all this stuff that may be difficult for them to change in a in a in a time frame if you've seen them consistently over time. Like, what are they doing? How are they evolving? And then you got to uh create uh situations and game plans specifically for those people. But that's after every that's after you're built already, really. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a funny one too because there's a lot of athletes that feel sometimes psyched out by watching too much footage of their opponents. Like especially if it's going to be a super fight where there's just one person to really be aware of. They they sometimes get a little psyched out watching just like because only people only post their highlights on the internet. Like you're not going to post all your stuff that you're doing poorly on the internet usually. They they make highlight reels on Instagram and things like that. So that's usually the the available footage that you have uh to to study opponents. And for some people that can be a little overwhelming, it can kind of psych them out. And they prefer to pass it off to a coach and say, look, here's the guy I'm competing against. Please let me know what I should be doing. That way, you know, they they've kind of got blinders on. What what are your thoughts on that? Do you prefer to take over that kind of like watching tape as a coach or do you think that's important for the athlete to see it too? Speaker 2: Uh, I I think that depends on the athlete. I I would certainly hope that the athletes at the world-class level can also um study. Like, right? So, um, because I I believe it's an important part. But but that is an athlete thing, right? If if it makes them nervous, I certainly would not be pushing them to be to to have more on their plate than they need. Uh, if if they're more um if they're pretty confident in their abilities and their mind is good, uh or great, then I I don't believe studying footage really is going to hurt them that much because it's it's all about the technical nuances. It's not literally like, I'm against this person. I'm against the techniques that they're they're using. And how are we going to how are we going to either not allow those techniques to happen, counter when when they do, use my skill sets or or my my athlete skill sets to to overcome and and and and win against another athlete. It's more more about like a game of technical nuances, strategy and tactics versus this person versus this person. And then and then, you know, I think I feel like if that's if you can do that and it then it takes out the emotion again, um from everything. And so sometimes maybe that helps an athlete with their confidence go, I'm not against that person. I'm against what they're do what they're doing. And I know how to deal with those things. So this is what we're going to try to do. But if the athlete was like, no, I don't want to watch it. Then maybe yeah, that's okay. That's all right. I'm going to game plan. You can come to the table and say, this is what we're this is what we're going to do. We're going to do this and this and this. But it's it is better, I think, when you see film of the person, even if it's cut up, film of the person doing what they do at their best, and then this is when and how we're going to go about beating that. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and see that like me personally, I would like to see what I'm up against. I would like to be able to see the way they move, what they do, where their control where they're what what what positions they favor and things like that. And I assume anyone that's like at a real high level in Jiu-Jitsu is probably very comfortable sitting and watching anybody. This is probably more of a intermediate kind of newer to intermediate uh uh competitors that might be a little more psyched out. Speaker 2: That's right, Ryan. And also, I think like, there's only one like, okay, you can watch. Let's take Marcelo. He's awesome, right? He's coming back and he's been been. But but like there's only there's he does things his way, right? So, like, so to watch tape and go, oh, yeah, he had that arm drag, right? Like, if if if you don't think like, let's go way back. I I'm an old-school guy. Let's go way back. Like, Shaolin. Dude, that guy's super stud, right? He arm drag Shaolin, got his back like that, right? So, if you're like even saying Marcelo has an arm drag, like, what do I do against arm drag? If you don't think Shaolin didn't know how to defend an arm drag, like, that you're crazy. But there's a feel that you won't you're not going to be able to replicate until you're there. So, that's always going to be that way. Certain people will do things, even though they look one way, they're going to feel a little different. So, you just have to, hey, this is this if you get if it happens in the moment, awesome, you're prepared as as you can be. Great. In my uh whole philosophy of competing is these are all just tests for a bigger goal. Like, like they're not uh there is no like competition, um, unless it's the last one of your career and you're never going to compete again. There is no competition that is that doesn't get you ready for the next one down the line. It just sucks to lose. So, um, you know, these are all big tests. And so when you go well prepared and you're like, hey, I'm going to give it my best. And this maybe the first time I've ever faced this athlete. So, hey, I I feel now I felt that arm drag, whether I got countered it or whether I didn't. I felt it. So, the next time that we compete, I know what it feels like. I can either replicate that or I can understand what how to do circumvent it earlier or whatnot. So, I I think these are all tests in the in the in the scheme of things anyway. Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, another another thing that people get tested with is you you we're talking about game planning here. You you everyone has a plan until until you're the day of. And sometimes the adrenaline, it's like the old Mike Tyson saying, you know, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. But you know, like when you're but sometimes not not not even getting uh shocked by the other person's abilities. It can just be the the tension and the anxiety and the the adrenaline of being there the day of. What are some things that you like to do to really keep people's heads on straight when the adrenaline's high, when there's a crowd, they know they're getting streamed to online platforms and being watched by people around the world. It's a lot of pressure on on athletes these days that didn't necessarily exist 10 years ago. So, Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I think they just have to do it a ton. Um, number one, you got to compete all the time if you're going to be great at competing. That's just what it is. Um, we see uh cases of that in the UFC where like, they'll be champions from other events, but then they'll come in and they'll bonk, right? They they, you know, um, they just were so excited and that that event, that particular event meant so much to that person that they just put like so much pressure on themselves that boom. Um, and and but then maybe they, okay, I'm good. Next one, next one, next one. Now I'm ready to go. So, I I think that um, when if you want to if you're out there and you're like, I'm going to do this, then you just got to do it. Over and over and over and over and over and over until it starts to become um, uh either a process that you can deal with and you perform under those conditions or it becomes normal. Um, you know, George, like he he would not shy away from saying like, he didn't like to fight at all. He was so nervous. He's one of the greatest fighter in in our history, right? And he hated fighting. Like he was nervous before, like way nervous. But like, he just dealt with that. He was able to deal with that in the moment, right? He was able to get rid of that when it was time to go on the cage. I don't think um, in his case, I don't think it became a normal so he did it even though he did it so much, it wasn't where he was like, oh yeah, I'm good here. I'm good. He wasn't good until he was fighting. Then he was like, I'm good. So, um, either you need to had to to to welcome that and say, this this absolutely sucks. But like, what's after it? It's great. And be able to perform through that or in that. Uh or make it happen, do it so many times that it's like that wears off and you're and then now this is a an enjoyed normal part of life. I I do feel like if you can look at it as the we don't get to do this very often. Like if you're competing, you know, even every month, right? Um, in the span of your life, uh it's not that many competitions that you will do compared to every everything else that you do in your life. Like, think of if you did one competition, just just say one fight, so the math is easy. You did one striker fight every single month, 12, 12 of those a year for 12 years. 12 years as as a as a you'd I'm just doing easy math here. You'd have 144 matches. Like, that's not very many. In if you're going to live to 100 or 90, that's that's hard that's a drop in the hat. That's nothing compared to what you may do all of the other times. So, it's like, I guess try to embrace it and have fun. Um, and then yeah, either learn to deal with those nerves and be able to perform through them or just do it so much that you've got them that feeling mastered and you can get rid of it. Find your why. Find your why, Ryan. I think we might have I think we might have talked about this. I've talked about this a lot. I saw an interview with Floyd Mayweather way back. Like it was like 2012, like right right 2010, 11, 12, somewhere. And I was like, boy, this dude's right. And uh, it's pretty good. They they the the interviewer, who I don't remember who it was, was saying something about, well, you're getting like 30 million. I don't know what it was at the moment. 30 million dollars or whatever. Like, are you that's what motivates you to fight? You know what I mean? He was like, he was like, oh, you're you're fighting for money? Like, you know, fame, no like not not a a legacy. And and Floyd was like, yeah, dude, it's prize fighting. I fight for money, man. Try to buy a new Bugatti over here. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you you sometimes often times you may you you might think like you're fighting for something bigger. But like, he knew his why. Like, no, I'm fighting to get super rich, man. I'm just like, as much money as I can. That's all that's the whole reason I fight. I think that if you are able to find that why and just get get it out there, that helps. I do believe that helps. No matter how shallow the why is, if you're able to own it, you own it. It's really you know that it's you're owning it. I feel like that's like it lets a monkey off your back and you're like, yep, this is why I do this. And uh you can you can go after it uh wholeheartedly. Speaker 1: Sean, I I love that we're on this topic because I think that, you know, something I've come to realize is that and like you highlighted, even like with George Saint-Pierre, how he would be so nervous before fights. I remember him uh when when in fact, even up to the fight when he was fighting Matt Hughes, when they were bringing the guys to the center of the cage and Herb Dean or whoever it was was giving them their instructions, he was just looking at the up at the ceiling of the arena. He couldn't even look at Matt Hughes. And uh and and and you could see how nervous he was. And then you see like, um, over the years, I've had conversations on the show with like Buchecha, for example, mentioned that to this day, he still gets super nervous when he competes. Something like, okay, well, maybe maybe that's not such an abnormal thing. Maybe that is something that just always is kind of there that you don't really get over. Um, I think a lot of people who get nervous, which is everybody pretty much, unless you're some kind of sort of sociopath. Uh everyone gets nervous before a tournament. And they probably assume that, man, this is very bad that I get so nervous. This is definitely going to affect my performance. And man, what what are your thoughts on that? Because obviously, performance is something that's important to an athlete, and they want to feel their very best going in. And when they're feeling anxious and nervous, they might be assuming, oh God, I'm going to do terrible today because I feel nervous. Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I I I think if somebody talks to me about that, I I uh number one, like you have to either get be able to work through that or define it as something different. Um, I think sometimes if you look at some of the crazy some people that just are crazy, like they crazy to me is like jumping out of a plane like and maybe like, I don't know, not having a parachute, going over to grab your other guy who has like that's nuts, right? Yeah. So, but um, sometimes I think people will define nerves as a rush rather than as nervous, right? So, um, when you have when you are nervous, your body is going to go through these physiological things, like that happen to you when you're nervous. Your heart rate raises. Your your you sweat. Maybe your blood pressure drops or elevates. Like, these things are going to happen when you get overly nervous. And maybe it's not necessarily defining it as a nerve. Maybe it's saying, I'm excited. I'm I'm change your your your mindset or own that you're nervous and be like, it's okay to be nervous. It's okay to be scared. It's okay to be nervous. Um, the real thing that the athletes have to understand is just how to work in that environment. That that is all right. It is normal. Um, and you're going to operate or again, uh switch the frame the your mindset and the frame of mind to to look at that as a different thing than just like, uh, I'm I'm paralyzed. Like, everyone, I believe that everyone can work through all of those things. Um, uh and and I I think that um, if you really look at it, what what I would imagine is that most people, if their life depended on it, right? So if I if if we said an attacker attacked you in the heat of the moment and you felt like your life was uh at stake, I'm pretty sure everyone would do whatever they needed to do, right? Fight, bite, whatever they had to do at that particular moment until they got away, right? So, if they can do that against a another person or object, why can't that be done in a controlled setting? That's the that's the thing, right? Is when you're in a controlled setting, nerves play a role. When you're in an uncontrolled setting, nerves make you stronger, fight harder, whatever it needs, you know, whatever you need to do to get out. And no not many, if any, would have a problem performing when it's in an uncontrolled setting. The trick is when it's in a controlled setting, now I have to learn these tools of uh now it's me against me instead of me against some something else. So, that that's I I feel like if everyone can, you know, if you if you can tap into that and understand how to to operate in those conditions, because you would, if your life is if your life was dependent on it, you would operate in that condition. But now, like you're fooling yourself because it's something that's controlled, you don't believe you can operate in those conditions. But you can but everybody can. And it's just finding that I feel like finding the reason, I guess that why I think has a real, like if you're fighting for your life, you know why you're fighting. You know why exactly why you are going to go and do whatever you need to do. Sometimes competing just doesn't have that weight, right? Like, I'm competing. Why are you competing? I don't have fun. Well, okay. If you're thinking about having fun and you're you got Ivan Drago on the other side, like, good luck having fun with that dude. They they're not there to have fun, right? Not that's not always going to happen. And someone's going to be like, I'm going to break your arm and your face and your neck and I'm going to do it like really hard. So, having fun is cool, but like if it's not weighted enough, then maybe that isn't enough to get you through those things. That's why I feel like having a real strong why can help navigate some of those things. And then you just have to either get used to them or deal with them or learn tools that make them go away. Breathing, you know, whatever it is. Being well prepared, uh, you know, things like this. I I talked to an Olympic sports psychologist, um, one time and and they were telling me like, you know, being prepared for a majority of the athletes, um, being in like top physical condition, like all of these things were uh about being prepared, um, eliminated a majority of of exactly what we're talking about. Just that preparedness. Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really well said, Sean. And you know, something else we we were talking about the pressures and kind of the different layers that have been added to to competition in Jiu-Jitsu over the years. Like streaming, like it used to be you'd go to a NAGA or a local tournament somewhere and unless someone was filming with their phone or had a camcorder out, like that that was just gone. It was just a place that you could kind of test your stuff and and not really be on display so much. Whereas now almost everything is streaming to YouTube or YouTube YouTube at the least, uh bigger platforms at at at the most. And um, a lot of those things can add extra pressure and stress. Your your old friend John Danaher uh said something that I thought was really interesting on that note. He was talking about uh the illusion of competition and how at the end of the day, when you show up to a tournament, you're just doing what you always do. You're rolling. You're you're doing Jiu-Jitsu. Uh you're rolling with a little more intensity maybe because it's there's a time limit and there's and there's there's something to be gained and lost uh as opposed to a normal training session. But at the end of the day, if you took away all the lights and all the cameras and all the spectators and the the refs and the judges and all that kind of stuff, it would just be what we always do every day. What are your thoughts on that as far as like the illusion and kind of the build-up that can happen with a big event uh that happens in students' mind that make it more stressful than it really should be? Speaker 2: Yeah, I I uh I think that can happen. Totally, totally. And I I think that that's um uh again, comes back to like the why are you doing this? Why are you here at this moment about to step on the mat? Why why is it? You know, if um is I think that can that can that can solve a lot of of problems. Um, we all know why we train. So it's just like, okay, if if you're going to compete, just know why you're going to compete. And then if the only the only thing that's not an illusion are the rules. But but again, if you're if you're well prepared in the training hall and you're you're you're training with the same rules that you're going to compete in. If you're doing ADCC, you're you're the same rules, the same times, everything is the same. All of these things are the same. You're really well prepared. Um, then then uh the outside elements uh would be the only difference. So the the the fact that you have a different mat that you're on. It's got a different texture on your feet. Like that's that's a variable. But um, the fact that there's a crowd, that's a variable. These there's there are the variables that um are the what I would guess John was calling the illusion is are the the variables that you have to deal with. And if you can block and eliminate those variables, uh then you're going to have a much easier day. And again, I I think it's just boils down to why because really, if you don't know why you're doing that, then those variables are going to be like, oh, this mat feels different. Oh, it's squishy. Oh, yeah, they they'll look at all these people. Oh, oh, wow. This is uh not really what I was yeah, I was just here to have fun and now there's people booing me. Uh I just try to grind with four of them across my face. That's not my training partners don't do that. That's not sportsmanlike. That's illegal. Uh so, you know, but but I I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what have been some of the most profound whys that you've seen athletes have? Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I I think they're all pretty common, the whys, right? Most of the people that I I that are doing this on a professional level at this point are trying to make a career, which is boils down to make money, right? Make make money. Um, if you can go outside of that, you might be able to get people that are like, I want to build a legacy, which is um not really that common. I think legacy's kind of happened because the goal is there. The goal might be there to be the best that ever lived. But those things take care of themselves as the short-term goals um take care of themselves that they're just doing the best that they can and they're actually successful at what they're doing. So, yeah, I I think it's pretty common of like why. Now, not that having fun Let's not beat up having fun. It just serves it it it has a an expiration date on it, right? Like, I think fun is important. I feel like that if you don't have fun, like if you don't really love what you do, which should be fun, um, then yeah, it's it's going to be hard on the on the hard times. Um, but but it it may not always be fun, right? It may not that might not be your ultimate why because if it's only fun and your why and you run into something that is not unless you just find thrill in and and just agony and and which is fine. That could be. That every athlete's different, like I said. But but that but I I again, preparedness if you have if you have the right room, uh you're doing the things that you need to do. You have a lot of experience because experience does help. I mean, I I feel like that's a big deal. Um, you the first time you fight somebody that might be greased. If that that's different, right? So, do you do you do you deal with that? What do you do when somebody is greased and it's like, whoa, this guy's like a greased watermelon. Um, the first time you might you might you might be like, I I couldn't hold on to the guy. So, do you allow these things to mess with you or are you just continuing to do the best that you can do uh with the skill sets that you have and the the preparedness that you have? So, um, that's that's what the best athletes do. I think they just do what they what they need to do and they perform to the best of their abilities on that given day. And if it's their day, they they win. And if it's not their day, they should go back. The coach goes back and says, how can we make this better? This is all the time. Like, how do we make this better? All the time, not win or lose, all the time. But, Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I really like that you you you mentioned the importance of having a strong why. As a coach, because we we talked before about you you mentioned before how like a weak example of a why would be just I just want to have fun, right? So if you're trying to be a if you're trying to be a serious athlete, you might want to have a little bit more substance than that, a little more reason beyond that. As an experienced coach, what